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Computer Software => Windows 10 => Topic started by: Ronski on October 01, 2014, 08:42:58 PM
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Anybody else installing Windows 10 Technical Preview (Beta)?
To get it you need to sign up to the Insider Program (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/preview), which is very simple, sign in and click join, then move to the download page (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/preview-download?ocid=tp_site_downloadpage). Be aware that if you download an exe file it is a Windows Update so only run it on a system you want to convert to Windows 10, the ISO option (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/preview-iso) is at the bottom of the download page.
I'm currently installing the 64bit version (why there is a 32bit I don't know!) on my laptop, actually I've now installed it, took about 18 minutes on my old laptop with an SSD.
PS. Kitz, perhaps you need to start a Windows 10 forum.
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Since my wifes laptop is W8.1 and up to now I have not been able to convert her to Linux ( 8) ::) ) I guess the one thing I am interested about with W10 is 'does it get rid of all that metro stuff?' I know some folks like it but I hate it with a vengeance and I'm hoping that what I have heard earlier is that W10 has an option to not install it.
Stuart
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PS. Kitz, perhaps you need to start a Windows 10 forum.
Done :)
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Thanks Kitz.
Broadstairs, I'm sure you'll find W10 far better than 8, my install booted to the desktop and has a proper start menu. Just bare in mind it is beta software.
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Broadstairs, I'm sure you'll find W10 far better than 8, my install booted to the desktop and has a proper start menu. Just bare in mind it is beta software.
Thanks, I'll not let my wife loose on anything Beta so I'll wait and see...
Stuart
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yeah I ran that exe by accident and now when I next reboot something will probably happen but I expect I can cancel out of it.
Did also download the iso and got the key, will test it when I can rebuild my spare pc.
Windows 10 so far looks alot more promising than windows 8, but this is subject to if I can reactivate quick launch (like I did with windows 7) and I can use 7 taskbar tweaker to fix the taskbar also (can in win7 and win8).
I really dont know why microsoft push upgrade install's so much as they should know themselves thats the cause of many problems.
MY worry is I have 2 win8 upgrade licenses (Which I never used) and those will also give me 2 free win10 keys which will probably also be upgrade keys, but I bet I wont be able to clean install win10 RTM.
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This version of Windows is due to be good but the fact they called it 10 rather than 9 suggests that may not be the case.
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I do think microsoft's branding is a bit off.
I think calling the xbox one was stupid, and ultimately causes confusion with the actual xbox1. (maybe thats why they did it).
Windows 10 instead of windows 9, I dont agree with their logic.
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9 in German is Neun which is not that far from Nein meaning No
Not a good thing to call something.
Could be MS are aware of the possibilities of a (not)amusing foreign language pun
Bit like the Vauxhall Nova - unfortunately Nova basically means it doesn't go in Spanish.
Which was even more funny as the car was manufactured in Spain
Later models became the Corsa
This example is taught in business schools about what not to do in international product naming.
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Chrysalis, I also ran the exe, that's how I knew it was a Windows update. I unstalled the update, as I didn't want to take a chance on my desktop machine.
Apparently it's called Windows 10 because calling it Windows 9 would have stopped thousands of programs from working that are still in use. Apparently programmers checking what version of Windows the program is running on decided that if the OS name starts with Windows 9, then it must be Windows 95 or 98.
See here (http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-may-have-gotten-its-name-because-of-lazy-cod-1641383218)
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This version of Windows is due to be good but the fact they called it 10 rather than 9 suggests that may not be the case.
I totally get what you mean!
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Chrysalis, I also ran the exe, that's how I knew it was a Windows update. I unstalled the update, as I didn't want to take a chance on my desktop machine.
Apparently it's called Windows 10 because calling it Windows 9 would have stopped thousands of programs from working that are still in use. Apparently programmers checking what version of Windows the program is running on decided that if the OS name starts with Windows 9, then it must be Windows 95 or 98.
See here (http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-may-have-gotten-its-name-because-of-lazy-cod-1641383218)
fair point. why didnt microsoft just say that then :)
and wow thats lazy coding from programmers.
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Did you know;
Anyone signing up for the beta has aggreed to this, amongst other things?
When you acquire, install and use the Program, Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage. For example, when you:
install the Program, we may collect information about your device and applications and use it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility,
use voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice information and use it for purposes such as improving speech processing,
open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes any use it for purposes such as improving performance, or
enter text, we may collect typed characters and use them for purposes such as improving autocomplete and spellcheck features.
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No different to Apple or Google then, in other words the norm.
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tlemetry rubbish is the norm now I agree.
notice how features get removed from new versions its because they use phone home stuff to determine not many people use the said features so they remove.
by the way I heard shadow volume copy is back in win10 also.
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I still think it's crazy that Microsoft cannot keep any consistency in the quality of their operating systems. It literally goes, good, bad, good, bad...
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Just back from holiday and downloading 32 and 64-bit ISO's as I type. Spare old PC (Dell Dimension 3100) just sitting there begging for a new OS. 8)
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Interesting. My old Dell has a Pentium HT 3GHz 64-bit processor which according to the spec should run fine.
BUT only the 32-bit version will install, 64-bit gives the 0x00005D error which seems to mean incompatible CPU.
Looking online this generally seems to be down to NX bit functionality which mine supposedly has and is turned on in the BIOS (I checked). Odd.
But equally there seem to be several reports online of problems with this whole range of processors with Windows 8.1, especially when upgrading from W8. :'(
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First reactions....... Windows how many? :-\
There is absolutely NO branding or version that I can find anywhere, just that it's a Windows Technical Preview.
My own assessment is that it's maybe Windows 8.25, and that's being generous.
Given that W8 was in many ways a step backwards from 7 it's more like Windows 6.66............. :lol:
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Anyone done anything with this yet? I've sort of "kicked the tyres" a bit and it seems to work. That's about it.
Slightly better UI than W8.1 but I still don't like the flat retro graphics which are difficult to see clearly. Maybe I'm just too used to Windows 7, but honestly what's wrong with that level of clarity, or at least something approaching it?
Icons are a bit weird, a strange mixture of some new "flat" ones and the more visually appealing W7 ones. :'(
Also, the graphics can clearly support the shading and transparency of Aero, even though it's hardly used and not an option for desktop style, as I ran Process Explorer and it happily accepted a semi-transparent mode.
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Same here, installed it on my laptop, but not really done much with it. I also find W7 graphics better, don't like these borderless windows either.
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Had to buy a new psu for my old core i5 750 as the psu in other 3rd rig is out of spec, so will be running win 10 on a core i5 750, 16 gig ram (that ram that failed memtests in this rig so will retest it in the i5) gtx 460 1gig.
Currently the storage will be lacking tho I am using my old 5400rpm 2.5" laptop hdd a 120 gig hitachi. The alternative was a very old ide drive which I think would be even slower and a 36gig raptor I got win10 would probably completely fill it.
Spent a ton of time cleaning the thing out tho, was dust everywhere as was my old main rig on 24/7/365 for about 2-3 years.
I am expecting to reach the same hiccup with the horrible flat look, bring back win7 styling please.
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I saw someone due to announce Aero http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-aero-glass-theme-coming-soon-via-simple-mod
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Well I dont want the default windows 7 theme, as I have my own theme, I want my customised win7 theme to work on win10, as it stands I turn off the transparency, thin the borders etc. But i believe in win8 onwards MS removed the advanced control panel which allowed the customisation and of course enforced the flat themes. Someone making a single one off glass theme doesnt solve the problem.
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I turn off the transparency
Snap! That's the first thing I do with any new Linux installation which has it enabled by default.
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not good start for me, it hard locks up on when it says getting ready, the spinning circle just freezes. I tried 3 times and stops in same place every time.
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I installed it on a lightly-used PC a few days after it was released.
I fitted a spare hard disk, as the PC already had Windows 7 on it. I installed W10 to the new disk. I didn't attempt any fancy boot managers, I simply decided I'd go into the bios and change the boot order of the disks if I wanted to switch between 7 or 10.
However, it didn't work as expected.
Installed OK, booted into Windows 10. Played around with it. Shut down.
When I next booted it, it started in Windows 7, but complaining that it needed to run CHKDSK, which it did. The previous shutdown (either from 7 or 10) had been "proper" - there should have been no reason for chkdsk to want to run.
Anyway, I used the Windows 7, then shut it down.
When I rebooted later, I got Windows 10. Which complained chkdsk needed to run!
Shutdown later, start it up later still.. I get Windows 7. Which complained chkdsk needed to run.
Up until today, that is what happened. One Boot I'd get 10, the next I'd get 7, then 10 again.
Today it booted W10, told me there was an update to install, so I did that. It shut down, rebooted Back into Windows 10 which told me it needed to do a chkdsk, and that it might take up to an hour (hadn't seen that before). I left it chugging away, came back to a black screen and no disk activity. Can't ping it on network.
I power it off, restart it, and W10 starts up again. I get logo and rotating circle, then the screen goes black.. and I have to power it off. Tried a few times, no joy.
Have unplugged the W10 hard disk for now, and W7 is booting ok (after complaining it needed to run CHKDSK...)
Ian
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Yes, I had some problems with multiple disks in the system, changing the boot order produced similar strange behaviour.
In the end I disabled the other one in the BIOS. Nonetheless W10 still finds it somehow! ???
I might pull the cable out at some point.
(The other disk now also has W10 on it as well though and is IDE whereas the one I'm currently booting to is SATA!)
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One thing to bare in mind when you want two Windows installation on the same PC, if you want the option to choose which OS boots via the boot order in the BIOS (rather than menu option at boot) then you need to disconnect the other hard drive when installing the other OS.
When you install a newer or the same OS as dual boot it will alter the boot records on the other hard drive to reflect a dual boot system. If installing an older O/S it may well not recognise the newer O/S and and therefore just overwrite the boot sector. The boot sector is not always on the hard disc the O/S is installed on either, so it can get tricky.
Windows 7 will not be aware of Windows 10, so it may well be correcting errors in the MBR, but that I thought would stop 10 booting.
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I dont know if its been explained already....but the reason behind jumping straight to 10 is because lots of software have to detect which version of windows your running before installing for obvious reasons.. as there is Windows 95, 98 and 98SE a lot of software coders set their programs to detect them as so: "IF WINDOWS =9x" meaning any version that starts with "9" then apply a ruleset which will probably be a non-install as your OS is "too old" - this has come from Win10 devs on Win forums
- its also been suggested this gives them the opportunity to distance themselves further from "8" which was a massive failure...lol
makes sense
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I dont know if its been explained already....but the reason behind jumping straight to 10 is because lots of software have to detect which version of windows your running before installing for obvious reasons.. as there is Windows 95, 98 and 98SE a lot of software coders set their programs to detect them as so: "IF WINDOWS =9x" meaning any version that starts with "9" then apply a ruleset which will probably be a non-install as your OS is "too old" - this has come from Win10 devs on Win forums
- its also been suggested this gives them the opportunity to distance themselves further from "8" which was a massive failure...lol
makes sense
Massive failure it may be, but they've still withdrawn 7 from sale a good year before 10 is due for release.
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withdrawn 7 from sale a good year before 10 is due for release.
Not exactly, only certain versions. Professional will continue to be available, not sure how long.
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Since my wifes laptop is W8.1 and up to now I have not been able to convert her to Linux ( 8) ::) ) I guess the one thing I am interested about with W10 is 'does it get rid of all that metro stuff?' I know some folks like it but I hate it with a vengeance and I'm hoping that what I have heard earlier is that W10 has an option to not install it.
Stuart
thats easy just use the setting on 8.1 to boot straight to desktop and bypass metro ;)
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Correct, my wife's PC has 8.1 and she only sees Metro stuff when an "unfixed" file association dumps her into an unexpected app..... >:D
Hers happens to have Classic Shell on it as well, but I've worked on plenty that don't as with 8.1 it's not really needed for most users. A new desktop PC with 8.1 will go straight to the desktop, not sure about the defaults on laptops and tablets though.
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I'll download Window 10 ISO and make a small partition on the windows 8.1 hard drive but it's already looking like Windows 10 is just another upgrade from Windows 8.1 so for me it's just another walk in the same park :D
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It's kinda different and kinda not. Maybe W8.3? Though more like Windows 93.......
I wouldn't install it unless you've got a separate system, or at least a swappable hard disk, to put it on.
I wouldn't risk it as a partition on a live system, what will happen when it expires?
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what will happen when it expires?
I just delete the partition and use disk management to shrink the unused volume back into the healthy active primary partition and run a defrag ;D
PS I have a dual boot system with 2 physical Hard Drives
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It's just like Windows 8.1 though the metro interface is not so much in your face, running x64 version it's my first time running a 64 bit OS seems nippy and easy to use.
No issue getting it installed looks like i have a Tri boot system :)
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Quite! :D
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Your funny guys ;D
If you are evaluating Windows 10 your will have noticed the Build has changed from 9841 to 9860 again its a long setup process 20 minutes and will keep your original setting after the update.
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Still on 9841 here. 32-bit. No updates offered...... ???
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OK. A quick Google found how to check ahead of the automatic process. As this requires auto-waking the PC (which won't work on mine :baby: ) I've kicked it off. Expecting Build 9879.
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:lol: :lol: It just needs a bit of lippy now to look pretty.
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It needs a hell of a lot more than that to look even remotely acceptable/professional. :'(
My system is now installing a new build, though I don't know what as it doesn't tell you. :no:
For reference if it's not automatically giving you new builds:
Assuming you're using Windows 10 via the new Start menu, click the Start button and then click the option for PC settings.
At the PC settings screen, click the setting for Update and recovery.
At the Update and recovery screen, click the option for Preview builds.
At the Preview builds screen, click the button to Check now.
Windows will tell you if a new build is available and display a Download now button. If not, a message appears telling you that no new preview mode was found.
Assuming a new build is available, click the Download now button. Windows will start downloading and then install the new build.
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The new build is 9860 even though 9879 is supposedly available. But checking again with the "fast" option it says there is another....
Edit; Yes, now on 9879.
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by the way guys my settings were not preserved, on my rig it force enabled auto sleep/hibernation.
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It definitely updated itself from 9841 to 9860 as at that time was looking at the task manager and a localhost.exe was using about 48% of the processor for 10 minutes and got concerned wish i had jotted down the full name of the service and then it asked for a reboot it never showed up as an automatic update it must come in though a back-door localhost process.
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Mines still on 9841, when I check for new preview builds I just get an error saying failed to check try again later 0x80240438
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never showed up as an automatic update it must come in though a back-door localhost process.
If you look in the right place you'll see that it checks automatically at specific times, waking the PC to do it if necessary (and possible).
Mine was set for 2am checks daily, but it will catch up the next time it's on and idle.
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Another area I looked at was Windows Update. You can run it to check, but can't then tell it to install what it finds.
Except you can, via Security and Maintenance in the Control Panel. In the Maintenance section you can "Start Maintenance" which will (among other things) install any pending updates.
They're clearly trying to move all this process to become much more of a hidden/background activity.
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Mines still on 9841, when I check for new preview builds I just get an error saying failed to check try again later 0x80240438
here is how I updated my build
http://www.redmondpie.com/windows-10-technical-preview-build-9879-released-heres-how-to-update-now/
To avail the latest build – the first since Build 9860 hit the scene some three weeks ago – the steps involved are fairly simple. Just navigate to PC Settings > Update and recovery > Preview builds. Hit that Check Now button to find Build 9879 and if you’re familiar with the process, go ahead and install it. If
If there is an intermediate build (Was in my case), repeat the process multiple times, it will only update one build at a time.
The windows update situation greatly concerns me, I dont want a automated windows update where I cannot block updates.
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Stuff is greyed out on WU, I expect just for this Preview process.
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did the same thing happen on windows 8?
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I don't recall, but the W8 process was very different, not least because it was such a radical change from W7 so much comment concentrated on interface issues.
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The boot time for Windows 10 TPB seems quite a bit slower than Windows 8.1, though it's still in the preview stage but even when previewing Windows 8 it still had a fast boot time.
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Anyone know when Win10 is being released?
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Anyone know when Win10 is being released?
The rumour mill says July with it free for activations inside one year ...
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I think free was if upgrading from 7 or 8 to 10 within a year.
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I think free was if upgrading from 7 or 8 to 10 within a year.
7 or 8.1 ;)
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That will be the last version Microsoft sends to us as an all in one download and install package and from then on windows 10 will just receive updates to current OS.
http://www.techspot.com/news/60616-microsoft-no-new-os-version-coming-after-windows.html (http://www.techspot.com/news/60616-microsoft-no-new-os-version-coming-after-windows.html)
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Here is the answer to the greyed out updates. Seems microsoft are indeed going to enforce updates unless you pay extra for it.
Windows 10 Pro: A desktop version of Windows 10 for mobile workers, tech enthusiasts and other power users. This version is one of at least two -- the other being Windows 10 Enterprise -- that will allow users to opt for Windows Update for Business. Windows Update for Business will allow admins to opt to not receive all feature and security updates from Microsoft immediately after they are available.
Windows 10 Home the updates will be enforced.
Source http://www.tweaktown.com/news/45123/microsoft-announces-six-different-versions-windows-10/index.html
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Windows 10 Home the updates will be enforced.
I don't quite see it that way, more that it gives SysAdmins in business much better control over how and when updates are delivered.
Lack of this in situations that really required it has been a long-standing complaint for earlier versions.
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well more info here.
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/05/04/announcing-windows-update-for-business/
good news is if you own win 7/8.1 pro or win7 ultimate you get win10 pro.
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My 7 year old daughter has been on the technical preview for the last 3 months with very few issues.
She has a low-end AMD 64bit and it runs seamlessly. She does spend a lot of time streaming from Netflix and surfing kids colouring and dress-up games, but I have to say she has taken to it very well.
We have had a couple of occasions where the OS has booted and hung up straight away, mouse moves but the soundcard made and audible click on every pixel the mouse scrolled over. Quick reboot and it cleared.
We also had a major update last week which took some time to settle down. Then again, Emily is impatient and probably rebooted the computer during the update a few times before calling for tech support ;) . It didnt die though, resumed and completed its task without too much interaction. Something M$ was never that good at in the past... scowls@Vista
Its pretty stable even in the preview builds, the interface is intuitive and it appears to have been built from Win7 and not the horrific touchscreen/metro builds of 8 & 8.1(which might as well have been labeled Win9). Considering the spec of computer its running on, its really responsive too, even Aero desktop is running on the onboard video which i wasnt expecting. Mem resources are much the same as Win7.
Overall, Im impressed and could run it daily if required. Although besides a few minor additions and a visual workover, I still dont see a reason I would need to be running it. Win7 is not without its faults but I hold it in the same regard as i did with XP.
I may even choose to support users on this OS when it rolls out, ive tried to avoid messing with the last 2 unless its about 'upgrading' to Win7 ;D
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I still am not a big fan of the UI of Windows 10.
It's probably because I'm so used to Windows 7 but Windows 10 just feels out of place and confusing with its UI. I just don't like it.
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After the last update to 10122 my laptop seems to have lost the proper start menu, I have to press the three hamburger bars top left to get the start menu. Looking on the web I should have a proper start menu, so clearly a bug of some sorts. Otherwise I'm quite happy with W10 although I don't use it much.
Edit. Actually found the setting to change it back to how I like it, there seems to be two settings menus, both with a personalisation menu, but only one of them has the Start settings options - the settings app, rather than control panel.