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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: indigobanana on May 02, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
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Announcing...
The Cumbria Fibre Map! (http://www.click2map.com/v2/indigobanana/FTTC_Cumbria)
Includes:
- Exchanges, Fibre Upgrade Status, Estimated Go Live Dates
- Cabinets! All cabs that have gone live are on the map. Commercial cabs still waiting to be upgraded are on too. Some cabs may be missing from smaller exchanges as I don't have the data.
- Cabinet planned/delay and (for commercial cabs) phase info. Simply click on a cabinet for more information.
- Search features - to search for a specific exchange cab, use the "Search" tab next to All Markers, type in the name of the exchange, and a list of all the cabinets included on the map on that exchange will appear.
- Up to date information - Using different data sources this information should be as up to date as possible but there was a lot of manual checking involved and I may have missed something, if this is the case just let me know and I can update as appropriate.
This map is by no means perfect and location of most cabs are simply guessed and can be up to a few miles in the wrong location, as they are based on a postcode that they serve which may or may not be near the actual location and as Cumbria is a so rural the postcode may cover a huge area. Also there may be some data errors as there was a lot of different information to go through and it's possible that I may have got some cabinet numbers mixed up that were enabled under the Connecting Cumbria programme (They don't include the cab numbers in their live cab list! :no:) I'm slowly working on confirming the location of certain cabinets and will shortly be adding a feature to the map where it will say if a cab's location has been confirmed, if anyone helps with this, they're more than welcome and will be fully credited!
If everything goes well and this map is well received, I will keep the information updated and will let you know the changes on each update. I haven't decided when I'll do the updates but I think at least once a week would be good.
Well, enjoy! ;D
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Well done in the compilation of all this data. Im sure it will be a useful resource for those in Cumbria :)
Ive stickied it so it can easily be found.
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Thanks Kitz, I really appreciate that! :D
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Map has been updated today 2/5/14. Quite a few changes and 2 cabs enabled so decided to update the map already.
- Cabs now live:
- Carlisle Cab 100
- Workington Cab 28
- Whitehaven Cab 19 lost Estimated Date (was Apr 14).
- Cabinets in Sedbergh, Alston, Flookburgh, Millom, Allonby and Windermere moved to more logical estimated location (i.e. not in the sea or on a mountain)
- Cabinet confirmed location info added to markers on map
- Locations confirmed:
- Walney #1
- Walney #6
- Kirkby Stephen #1
- Kirkby Stephen #2
- Kirkby Stephen #3
- Kirkby Stephen #4
- Kirkby Stephen #5
- Langwathby #2
- Orton #1
- Orton #2
- Ravensworth #1
- Ravensworth #2
- Brough #1
- Bassenthwaite Lake #1
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If you want the exact locations of certain Cabs, drop us a PM and I'll clarify for you. :)
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Fantastic, thanks Black Sheep. As it would be too much to ask for every cab that's in the wrong place, I might wait until a decent amount have been located and then go from there. I should also be getting some more data within the next few weeks regarding the missing cabs on certain exchanges.
Actually I was wondering if you could clear up a couple of things I'm confused about. The other week I was searching for Appleby Cab "S1" which I believe must be in the Great Asby area, but the only cabs I could find were these gray ones. Could it be TPON?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.513682,-2.493958,3a,29.9y,204h,79.56t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shqddsKfv2gdwxGrpSPqbrw!2e0
And the second thing, is Windermere Cab 5 scheduled to go live? 2 cabinets were announced as live on the 30th by Connecting Cumbria, but of course they didn't include the cab numbers, just the location. Cab 1 was the first and I presumed the other was Cab 5 but still not showing as live on the BTW checker - I'm starting to wonder if I got the wrong one?
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Fantastic, thanks Black Sheep. As it would be too much to ask for every cab that's in the wrong place, I might wait until a decent amount have been located and then go from there. I should also be getting some more data within the next few weeks regarding the missing cabs on certain exchanges.
Actually I was wondering if you could clear up a couple of things I'm confused about. The other week I was searching for Appleby Cab "S1" which I believe must be in the Great Asby area, but the only cabs I could find were these gray ones. Could it be TPON?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.513682,-2.493958,3a,29.9y,204h,79.56t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1shqddsKfv2gdwxGrpSPqbrw!2e0
And the second thing, is Windermere Cab 5 scheduled to go live? 2 cabinets were announced as live on the 30th by Connecting Cumbria, but of course they didn't include the cab numbers, just the location. Cab 1 was the first and I presumed the other was Cab 5 but still not showing as live on the BTW checker - I'm starting to wonder if I got the wrong one?
Can't assist with the 'Go live' dates, as they've stopped filtering through to us for some strange reason. But, I can clarify Cab whereabouts.
Windermere
Cab 1: Belsfield Hotel
Cab 5: Craig Walk - Junction Meadow Road
As regards Appleby, this is down as a DEL (Direct Exchange Line) Exchange, ergo no Cabinets. That said, Around my patch they are installing brand new Cabs on DEL's in order that the EU can make use of the FTTC product. If that is the case with your 'S1 Cab', then I doubt it'll be on our network records as yet ?? I'll go digging around when I've more time.
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Thanks for that. Sorry to clarify, cab name is Appleby PS1. I presume it's not an outdated games console ;)
According to the info I have there are 11 cabs on the LCAPP exchange...
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Hmmm ?? Completely conflicting reports then ??
I have never heard of any Cab labelled with the prefix 'PS'. It is either 'PCPx' or 'SCPx' (Which is a secondary/tertiary pillar off the PCP). TPON Cabs ….. are called just that.
I'm looking at the Network Records which have been around since the birth of Christ. I'll look at our more modern on-line recs later on to see what they say.
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Sent you a PM. I think it's probably from an online record.
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Well then …… I've had to don my Columbo mac on this one. It's certainly out of the ordinary to what I see everyday, by way of network records. :o
On our bog-standard 'Network Records', it doesn't show Appleby has having any PCP's at all. However, with our on-line system (GEO-Hub), it does indeed show the Cabs you listed in your PM.
What it doesn't show though is the 'PS1' Cab that you are puzzled about, (me too now) ?? I've interrogated a number off the postcode for that PS1 Cab that you gave me, and the routing and records show the circuit to be going through PCP1 then SCP 1/5. I've personally never known there to be 5 secondary Cabs off the main one as suggested within that routing ?. The maximum I've witnessed is two.
The DP (Telegraph pole) for the circuit has a 'T' next to it and won't allow the usual further scrutinisation that would follow. It basically isn't recognised by our copper-based systems. So, all-in-all my guess, and that's all it is, is that there must be TPON.
Not much help I'm afraid.
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Thanks for looking into that. Maybe it's the remnants of an old system. All I know is that they're pretty far from the exchange there and suffer from very bad internet speeds, I think there was a community project to deal with that, no idea what happened with it though. I think they're just waiting and hoping now for FTTC or some other fibre solution.
I have some good news. The Cumbria Roadworks Map is very limited in information and usefulness and up until now I have not been able to use it at all as a source of information, as it would only list the name of the contractor that is either closing the road or using traffic lights, and therefore it has been impossible to know who is doing what, and which companies are working with the fibre rollout. Thankfully, after some digging and a friendly reply on facebook I have found that "RNS Utilities" are the company with the task of standing the new shiny cabs, and with the info on the Cumbria roadworks map I can now say where the new FTTC cabs will be placed. At last, almost real time tracking of the progress of the rollout. Will be included on the next map update this week.
As a heads up, new cabs are being placed in the following new exchange areas:
- Burgh-By-Sands
- Wetheral (I have heard quite a few cabs have already been stood)
- Cleator Moor
- Brampton
and continuing work in:
- Carlisle
- Cockermouth
- Rockcliffe
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The location for the cabinet I'm connected to, Cleator Moor Cab #14, is currently in the middle of hilly fields. The correct location is on Meadowcroft Road, outside the 2nd house east of Lingla Bank (Latitude 54.536041°, and Longtitude -3.500859°).
Has anyone any idea when it is due to be upgraded? (No fibre cabinet in place yet).
Cabinet #3 is on the B5395 opposite the end of Bowthorn Rd.
Cabinet #6 is on the corner of St. Paul's Ave and the A5086 Frizington Rd.
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Only just found this website by chance, but the map looks really good.
I'm on Cab 9 in Workington which is still yet to be enabled, even though the have dug the road up twice for power, so whether or not its powered/fibred is anyones guess. I've contacted openreach and they are going to speak to the local Project manager for my area and try and get some more details on when its due and what the hold up is.
The location of cab 9 is slightly off on the map but I can supply the correct location if you would like. Is the data slightly outdated now ? as the cab 9 still suggests end of june but its been moved back to end of sept.
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Only just found this website by chance, but the map looks really good.
I'm on Cab 9 in Workington which is still yet to be enabled, even though the have dug the road up twice for power, so whether or not its powered/fibred is anyones guess. I've contacted openreach and they are going to speak to the local Project manager for my area and try and get some more details on when its due and what the hold up is.
The location of cab 9 is slightly off on the map but I can supply the correct location if you would like. Is the data slightly outdated now ? as the cab 9 still suggests end of june but its been moved back to end of sept.
Cab 9 location is : 54.641930, -3.553464 on google maps.
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Cab 9 location is : 54.641930, -3.553464 on google maps.
So it is! Thank you E*Monkey. ;)
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Workington Cab #32 is also here : 54.643960, -3.551899
Only seems to goto the correct location if you paste into google maps search bar and then click street view.
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Workington Cab #43 is here : 54.639611, -3.555694
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How ofter is the cab data updated on the map ? Most say due, June-14 but are now Sept-14.
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The map was produced by indigobanana, who doesn't seem to have visited the forum for some time, so I don't know when you'll get an answer to that.
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Hey guys, sorry I wasn't receiving notifications about the new posts. I'm away at the moment and will be back in the beginning of September - I'll be updating the map then with the cab locations. I haven't been updating as the data I had was out of date, but there's some great news - the new BT Wholesale datasets now give detailed phase info for the Connecting Cumbria project - which means I'll be able to put which cabs are due to be upgraded to FTTC. I can also confirm that a very small portion will be getting FTTP, although this is almost exclusive to Exchange Only lines.
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Great news! ;D The map has been updated. Sorry that it took so long. Looks like I'll be getting bulk updates every quarter. (So next major update would be at the end of the year). If I see new exchanges have been enabled I may do some minor updates inbetween.
New - Cabs that are planned to be enabled under the BDUK Connecting Cumbria project, with phase info
Updated - New enabled exchanges and others moved forward, a handful of cab locations (thanks guys), all the previously existing cab info has been updated.
http://www.click2map.com/v2/indigobanana/FTTC_Cumbria (http://www.click2map.com/v2/indigobanana/FTTC_Cumbria)
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Nice work. I can also confirm that cabinet 4 is now live and here : 54.636573,-3.536649
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.636573,-3.536649,3a,75y,255.55h,60.44t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sC9Axyn2uHNchRtk1wTCosA!2e0!6m1!1e1
Also cabinet 32 is now live also
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Small update 17/9
New cab info for:
Now Fibre Enabled:
- BARROW-IN-FURNESS 20
- CARLISLE 42
- CARLISLE 48
- CARLISLE 80
- DALTON IN FURNESS 4
- EGREMONT 8
- HARRINGTON 2
- HARRINGTON 9
- HAYTON 1
- PENRITH 13
- ROCKCLIFFE 4
- WHITEHAVEN 36
- WORKINGTON 4
- WORKINGTON 6
- WORKINGTON 23
- WORKINGTON 32
FTTP(!) Now Planned for CARLISLE 147
BDUK Northumberland Phase info updated for cabs outside of Cumbria area.
And if you haven't seen already I have put where some brand new PCP cabs are appearing according to roadworks.
http://www.click2map.com/v2/indigobanana/FTTC_Cumbria
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Well done indigobanana, I'm really impressed with all the hard work that has gone into the map.
Cleator Moor Cab 8 (Moor Row) is slighlty off where you have it. The post code is CA24 3JP and the coordinates are 54.516344, -3.539048 (have a look on street view to see the rather old cab that is there).
I've been told that we should be all up and running with Fibre at the end of November 2014. We have no fibre cab as yet so I'm not holding my breath as the end of November 2014 isn't all that far away now :(
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I can confirm the precise location of the new NEWBIGGIN-ON-LUNE #2 PCP cabinet is to the left of the bench, between the two trees as you look at the street view here.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.4409856,-2.4551698,3a,40.2y,223.61h,76.26t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZ8d-_paFWVMfQmeWj0DJIg!2e0
Regards
Ant
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I can confirm the precise location of the new NEWBIGGIN-ON-LUNE #2 PCP cabinet is to the left of the bench, between the two trees as you look at the street view here.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.4409856,-2.4551698,3a,40.2y,223.61h,76.26t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZ8d-_paFWVMfQmeWj0DJIg!2e0
Regards
Ant
Thanks for that Ant. Even though there's a new PCP cab the good people of Newbiggin might be getting FTTP? Roadworks this week in the village:
Build 1 concrete chamber 1220mm x 680mm x 1665mm deep in Carriageway,Install 8m of 2 poly ducts in Carriageway
As far as I know, building a concrete chamber can be related to FTTP rollout but maybe someone can clarify.
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Build 1 concrete chamber 1220mm x 680mm x 1665mm deep in Carriageway,Install 8m of 2 poly ducts in Carriageway
As far as I know, building a concrete chamber can be related to FTTP rollout but maybe someone can clarify.
Not necessarily so. It could be nothing more than the existing joint boxes are: (1) full (2) inconveniently sited (3) showing signs of age . . .
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Is there a difference between a "concrete chamber" and a joint box? There have been other roadworks saying about jointbox repairs. The measurements given are always smaller when the description mentions a joint box.
Something like this:
Replace 2 jointbox frame and cover(s) (625mm x 625mm) in carriageway.
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My understanding is that a joint box can be as small as a rectangle into which one can just place two feet up to those in which three people could stand with ease (with knees showing).
A joint chamber will be somewhat rather deeper and something into which one would descend, via in-situ galvanised steel steps. Once within, the Openreach technician will not be visible from the surface.
Edit: Something that Black Sheep could clarify for us, if time permits? :)
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Ah I see. Did a bit of research and it looks like BT might be using the larger concrete chambers for fibre aggregation. Possibly FTTP or to feed an FTTC Cab. It is interesting that often I have noticed these works in areas which are EO or due for an FTTP rollout. (One extremely rural area in Wales had an entire road with large concrete chambers being built everywhere - turns out that postcode area is down for FTTP). Newbiggin on Lune is an EO area so it wouldn't be too surprising if they got FTTP.
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thinkbroadband.com%2Fimages%2Fnews%2F4440-fibre-splitter-manifold-underground.jpg&hash=0335b1a3fe311ffa4bfc0b485a389aa1d34f622f)
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Without digging too deep (as time won't allow right now), there are all kinds of underground closures from JUF (Jointbox Underground Footway), to JRC, (Jointbox Reinforced Carriageway), to MH (Manholes).
The depths are various and will differ dependant on requirements and accessibility. We bog-standard engineers can only work in them if the depth is 3 feet or less (This is from memory so may be slightly more or less ?), any deeper and 'Blowers' are required to pump in fresh air. Of course, common-sense used in conjunction with our gas detectors probably also plays a part.
If for example a UG box lets say 5 feet deep, is being worked in as part of a cable-changeover, then initially 'Blowers' could be despatched but if left venting overnight and our testers show no dangers present, then I would imagine the SSR engineers wouldn't deploy the blowers again ?? This is not my forte though, as I don't get involved in SSR work.
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indigo …….. ALL UG chambers will be considered by the planner and used, if 'the cap fits'. It all depends on what is being fit and where ?? :)
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Brand new update coming in the next few days.
Big news for those especially on Exchange Only lines (even some far from the exchange). There's new cabinets going in everywhere - the map will be updated to show this and the brand new cab numbers. Watch this space! :)
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:)
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Was going to update but found out some stuff isn't making sense, like cabinets that are FTTC Enabled showing as FTTP Enabled, and others that say FTTP Planned already have an FTTC Cabinet in place. What a shambles!!
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Looks like bad news for several cabs that were set back yet still to be enabled under the Commercial Rollout. Several cabs have dropped off the list and now show as having no plans to upgrade to fibre. 7 cabinets in Carlisle alone are affected. (2, 5, 62, 86, 112, 116, 132)
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Map updated today (20/3)
Plenty of new enabled cabinets and exchanges. Apart from that:
- At least 99 new cabs have been installed around the county, mostly to deal with EO lines. 11 of these are now live with FTTC.
- A handful of cabinets are now down for FTTP instead of FTTC. Of course this could change and may not be totally accurate
- Several commercial cabinets that kept missing their RFS date are now showing as having no plans to upgrade to FTTC
- Workington Cab 49 has gone live with FTTP. As far as I can tell this is the first and only live FTTP under the programme in the county. (however there is lots of activity going on looking at the roadworks map).
http://www.click2map.com/v2/indigobanana/FTTC_Cumbria
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Hi Jamie,
Can I ask what format you have your data in for export into click2map?
I'm wondering about doing something similar...
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Looks like you can use
• CSV, separated by: CSV is the acronym for Comma Separated Values which is a standard text file format used to exchange data between different applications. Select this option if your markers are stored in a CSV text file.
• Comma: Select this option if your markers are stored in a comma separated CSV text file.
• Semicolon: Select this option if your markers are stored in a semicolon separated CSV text file.
• Tabulation: Select this option if your markers are stored in a tab separated CSV text file.
• KML: KML is the acronym for Keyhole Markup Language - it is an XML file format common to Google Earth and Google Maps that can be used to import/export marker information between these two applications, among others. Select this option if your markers are stored in a KML file. This is typically the case if they've been exported or extracted from Google Earth.
• GeoRSS: GeoRSS stands for Geographically Encoded Objects for RSS feeds and is used to encode locations as parts of RSS feeds. Select this option if your markers are stored on a website in an XML file following a GeoRSS standard.
• XML: Select this option if your markers are stored in an XML file.
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All the data is on an Excel spreadsheet which is then exported as CSV, and imported using the Click2Map tools. Just having a postcode (or even sometimes just a street address & town) is enough for the in-built geocoder to work out where the marker should be placed, however it can be a little inaccurate. :)
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Hi Everbody,
I'm on the Egremont Exchange cabinet 14 which has been Black since the Rollout began. I'm on expensive Satellite and hate it >:( ,
Does anybody know the reason for the cabinet being 'Blacked out' on the map.
I tried BT broadband and got .25mb max speed (If Lucky) and lots of faults drop outs with lots of Engineer call outs.
However the phone works fine. :(
If I could get standard broadband (5-10mbps) I'd be very happy with that! I reckon I've got the slowest Line connection in the UK!
Thanks in advance!
P.s I've been down the connecting Cumbria route with helpful response but no information.
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Hi Snick,
Sorry to hear that. Its true that unfortunately this cabinet is not on the rollout plans. By the looks of it, the cabinet does not serve many properties and the properties that area served by this cab are all spread out over a large rural area. Looks as FTTC wouldn't be too economical here.
The good news is that Phase 2 of the Connecting Cumbria project is due to begin fairly soon, and with a bit of luck they'll do something for properties in this area. Who knows, in the future this area could get FTTP. But that's just a pure guess I'm afraid. I can let you know if the plans for your cab change.
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. . . be too economical here . . .
I suspect that the "un" got away before the sentence was completed! ;)
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Map Updated - 02/06/15
http://www.click2map.com/v2/indigobanana/FTTC_Cumbria
As I feared there was a mistake in the last update, where many cabs that were actually due to get FTTC were wrongly labelled as "FTTP Planned". The latest update has fixed this and cabinets should be showing the correct information now.
Other updates include:
- Plenty cabinets now enabled & many EO lines rearranged to new cabinets
- More new cabinets appearing, probably for EO lines.
- Some exchanges have lost their FTTP for EO line info. Looks like these will get FTTC solution instead.
- Dent exchange is no longer planned to be upgraded. I believe this is because of competition in the area.
Still no information about Phase 2, I imagine this will come by the end of the year. I'm hoping there will be higher amounts of FTTP in Phase 2.
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Very nice! I mapped out the Ulverston ones back when we were waiting for them to start making whirring noises and that was hard enough work!
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Will be updating this shortly, great news is there is now estimated go live dates for cabs and also stage information (whether a cabinet is in Design, Build, Connect or Activate stage etc.)
Also plently of new cabinets planned for the Phase 2 Extension program, as well as many still being worked on during the latter stages of Phase 1. Not all of these new cabinets have location information however I can add them when I know roughly where they'll be situated and which communities are benefiting. There is also quite a bit of copper rearrangement going on for communities that are connected to an FTTC enabled cab but too far away to benefit. In some areas, properties are being moved to a different new cabinet, although this process does take some time.
In the meantime if anyone wants to know about a certain cab or area just PM me and I'll try my best to help :)
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Updated today 22/01/16
- Data for each cabinet and exchange has been updated
- All Cabs have progress information including build stage and estimated go live dates
- Over 100 new cabinets planned/being built, many from Phase 2 of the Rollout. A lot of these will be for properties too far from an existing cab or on EO lines
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Has this map now gone as doesnt seem to be available anymore :(