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Computers & Hardware => PC Hardware => Topic started by: kitz on March 24, 2014, 02:18:21 PM
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hmmmm... Suddenly I seem to have encountered some annoying issues that are driving me nuts. I fear the W-Update (I thought I set it to manual but obviously not!) has updated all my drivers, and Im now seeing some weird issues that I cant seem to fix.
The Logitech issue is back - thats annoying because apps wont open if Im using set-point, but I need set-point to use the functions of my mouse & keyboard.
There's weird graphics stuff going on, and damnit Ive got the latest graphic drivers again (thanks w-update for silently installing those).
Im also wondering if Ive brought something across from the old system by using one of my backups for restoring some things.
Im back to seeing LAN speeds restricted to 10/100, and an annoying issue that it takes 5mins after boot-up before the PC can find the LAN. Spent all weekend trying to resolve this and it appears it may be a known issue with the .NET framework that causes the later.
I fear that the .NET framework issue may have been my own doing, as I installed an old program and not watching properly what I was doing let it install an older version, which may have messed things up. Because .net is part of windows now, then its no easy task to get rid. (I have found a last resort clean-up tool).
However in view of the various annoying things, and spending a fruitless weekend trying to resolve various issues, Im at the stage where I want to start a total clean install again.
Putting windows back on isnt a problem, its all the other programs & settings that take the time.
This is just a general moan post, cause Im not relishing the thought of a total clean install and how time consuming it is. This time I intend to do separate backups at different stages. Because my current backup isnt going to be any help.
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Sorry to hear you're having more issues. I didn't think Windows Update would automatically install drivers, I might well be wrong though.
You might well be surprised just how quick installing Windows is on an SSD, there is also a website where you can create a custom install package for a lot of common programs, can't remember what it is but i'm sure someone will.
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I definitely didnt update them so I dont know how theyve been updated. :(
Im now showing as having 9.18.13.3165 installed but I want 9.18.13.1106 (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=13449.0)
... and the really sad news is Im stuggling now to find the version I want as the nVidia site only retains a years worth and its dropped off the bottom of the list :(
Ive been scratting around - downloaded one set from softpedia and when I look inside the package its actually different version number.
Another couple of sites Ive tried have all wanted me to install additional bulk crap or download managers.
Everything worked fine until I updated those drivers last year, and Ive had nowt but trouble ever since.
Signing off now anyways as whilst Ive been typing this, screen has gone weirded, which normally means anytime soon I'll have to either reboot or windows will do it for me.
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I have some Nvidia drivers, not sure if any are of any use to you or what cards they cover - mines a 680, so I would have download the 600 series drivers, see attachment for the ones I have.
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Several hours later & I really want to cry right now...
W-update DOES automatically update the nvidia drivers and now installs the WHQL which is what appears to be causing me the problems. There is a setting hidden away somewhere which includes 'important hardware updates' and automatically installs them in the same way that it does for Windows.
My Graphics card is Nvida GeForce GTX 550 TI. It worked perfectly until an auto update last Nov. A clean install after the failed HDD issue* worked perfectly fine for a few weeks - until the update. Unfortunately I didnt keep a copy of those drivers, thinking Id be able to get them again.
It took me about 10 mins to reinstall windows, then about an hour and a half to install the updates. I'd still not found a suitable graphics driver so I installed the suggested windows certified verion.
BAM.. Im now staight away back to the problem with unstable graphics and my network not starting straight away. Incidentally I just found this (http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/c1056aa5-66bc-46ca-bbec-6acd00820725/network-detection-is-slow-at-startup?forum=w7itpronetworking)..
So is it something nvidia related thats also causing the slowness to find the network after boot. You can see my problems only started after the update of my graphics drivers here (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=13449.0). Perhaps its not .NET afterall - Ive not got it installed aside what comes on the OS.
ATM I have a fairly bare system, installed in this order,
Win7 Pro,
Mobo drivers etc from CD,
windows updates,
MSE, MSE updates,
Firefox
All seemed OK but as soon as I installed the graphics drivers the network started the slow to find network.. and now its hanging after a few mins of use and I have to shut it down. Windows then has to recover from serious error yada yada
Thanks for zipping your driver but they all are marked WHQL so likely wont be much use to me :/ You can see in the other thread, that it is a driver related problem - seemingly to do with WHQL.
I shall continue a search to see if I can find 9.18.13.1106 again... or at least a version that doesnt include WHQL.
*part of me is now wondering if the constant blue/black screen issues caused by the nvidia driver problem caused the early failure of my OCZ drive :(
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Not sure if any of these links are good.
http://www.dell.com/support/drivers/us/en/19/driverdetails?driverid=C9N91
http://www.oldapps.com/nvidia.php
Edit: WHQL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHQL_Testing) just means the drivers have been tested and passed those tests, they should in theory be less likely to cause problems.
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Thanks for the links, ill go look now.
>>> WHQL just means the drivers have been tested and passed those tests
Sorry my mistake, :-[
I thought that was related to the un-needed bloat-ware, they package with the drivers.
Its since they have been releasing the drivers bundled with the 3D stuff and NvStreamSvc the network service for nVidia Shield (I dont have either of them) that Ive been seeing the problems.
PS that is a biatch
I just noticed that my VIA soundcard drivers that I had installed from CD, just a few hours ago have now been replaced by 4x "NVIDIA High Definition Audio".
I certainly didnt ask for it to do that either. :mad: I was quite happy with my VIA drivers thank you. Why is NVIDIA taking over my PC and installing stuff I dont need. :mad:
Ive just been trying to read their forums, what a mess, and still unhappy customers regarding the black/blue screens that started last Nov... It still doesnt seem to have been sorted properly :/
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I give up - at least for tonight or the fing PC is gonna go out of the window.
Just did a speed test.. whoopie do... peaked @ 12Mbps. >:(
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I feel your pain, I've steered well clear of reinstalling my own PC, the installation is years old now, although I do fairly often install Windows on various computers.
I do wonder if all your trouble stems from NvStreamSvc and it's associated bloatware that Nvidia force upon us, it is also tied in to networking. I've recently been having problems with my own PC, it normally runs very quiet but is overclocked to 4Ghz, so it doesn't take much for the fans to kick in which on several occasions I've noticed and looking in task manager show multiple instances of NvStreamSvc processes using lots of CPU. When it first started to happen I disabled the service. Then when I updated the driver my troubles would start again. What I did a few weeks ago was completely uninstall all Nvidia stuff. Then I did a custom install of the latest drivers only selecting the graphics driver and physics X, note there is no option for NvStreamSvc, but I think it is only installed with the sound driver, end result there was no NvStreamSvc service listed. There is also an option for the Geforce Experience, that has also given me trouble, so that got left off as well, see the attached picture (note I didn't untick the check boxes as I wasn't installing anything and just cancelled out), the option off the bottom of the list is for PhysicsX.
Your VIA sound drivers have not been overwritten, your graphics card has a built in sound card, very useful when connection via HDMI to a TV or monitor with built in speakers. The VIA sound card will be part of your motherboard, if you right click on the speaker icon in the task bar and click 'Playback devices' you should see them all listed, I have eight Nvidia HDMI devices (4 for each card I presume) which is odd as I chose not to install the driver, but it appears to be using one from June 2013, and also my motherboard sound card listed.
I would suggest uninstalling the Nvidia drivers, or even completely installing Windows again, make sure Windows update is only set to notify of updates, then install the latest Nvidia driver using the custom install option and only install the graphics driver and PhysicsX parts. If installing Windows again make sure that the activate option is turned off, I only ever activate when forced to by a Windows update or once I'm happy the installation hasn't gone pear shaped.
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Dunno if this is any help, but it purports to be the 9.18.13.1106 version. Certainly the date of 26th Feb 2013 of the files in the cabinet would suggest it's around the right era. Unfortunately, it doesn't specify whether it's 32 or 64 bit :no:
http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2013/03/20541072_5e7775bac444ee4192dda74c4421baa3bb8ef48f.cab
Also, I hesitate to say it, but all your woes kitz are excellent reasons for moving away from that unfortunate OS ;)
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Thank you
Ive just gone through the PC (whilst it has hardly anything on it) and deleted just about anything I can find on the PC relating to nvidia aside from the actual driver files and dlls etc.
Gone are 3D Vision, GFExperience, NVStreamSvc. Deleted the crap it puts at the rootof c:/ & uninstalled the Updater.
This is all I have left now - I need the CPanel to run dual monitor. I dont seem to have had any issues in the past with PhysX
I just noticed theres still a user ecperience driver component hidden somewhere as nvxdsync.exe, so perhaps I should try track that down too.
Thanks for the explanation on the sound devices. Interesting that you chose not to install them, but they did. Its also interesting that you had issues with GFExperience. Newtron Star also had issues with 332.21.
I 'think' and judging from bits of info I could pick up on the NVidia forums, its GFExperience that installs NvStreamSvc. This is a network Service for streaming to the nVidia Shield. I saw mention somewhere on their forums that there's an suspicion it doesnt deal with TCP Rwin very well (ie not at all), which could explain why I was getting very erratic speeds. Last night I did a TCP test at Visualroute. I wish I could kept the results to show because they were really abysmal with hundreds of retransmits and dropped packets and showed an average of just 3Mbps to their London server.
Anyhow as soon as I removed everything, my speeds went straight back to 72Mbps, and it now takes 5 seconds to boot into windows and about 4 seconds to connect to the network which I can cope with - much better than 5 mins. :)
Ive been running it like that for > 5 hours and I dont seem to have had any artifacts or screen freezes and touch wood it seems stable.
Im beginning to suspect that its the GFExperience and all of its bulk for sure that is the main part of my issues. If you arent careful then this will autoinstall. I can definitely confirm that GFExperience is installed as part of the update via w-update and it WILL install it without giving you any option as it classes the NVidia drivers an important update.
I'll leave it like this for today, I want to see if it continues to be stable before going through days of installing everything back on. Ive not even put mail back on cause Office/outlook takes ages, and I dont want to mess with my backups.
Im not happy that there may be still bits of unwanted nvidia garbage hanging around what I think I may do is do another fresh install of Windows, having the drivers I want ready (see reply to BlackEagle)... or I could use another nvidia version which unlike the w-update gives you more control over which parts you install.
Unfortunately that takes me to Weds & Thurs, which means no time to do anything much. So its probably going to be weekend before I can even start getting my system up and running again properly.
As it stands right now - I am 99% sure that NVStream causes the network issues, and fairly certain GFExperience is what is causing the Blue/Black & frozen screens.
Either way I will just have to ensure that neither of them go any where near my PC again.
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@ BlackEagle.
Thank you very much for those drivers they're 32bit, but by using the file name reference, I was able to backtrack and find a 64bit version.
I'll reference here in case anyone else is looking
Vista/Win7/Win8 x32 = 2013/03/20541072_5e7775bac444ee4192dda74c4421baa3bb8ef48f.cab
Vista/Win7/Win8 x64 = 2013/03/20541077_3cdf18b8840f06c4a2ea18a11897a80f1e94500a.cab
64bit version can be downloaded here (http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2013/03/20541072_5e7775bac444ee4192dda74c4421baa3bb8ef48f.cab)
Re Windows, whilst Vista wasnt great, XP was stable, I ran it for >10yrs on various machines without any issues. Win7 was fine too and that is very stable.. or was until I encountered the nvidia issue last Nov. Just go look at the nvidia forums and see what a god-damn mess of things they have caused for so many people... and still theyve not resolved it. :( Until the nvidia episode Id not seen a blue screen in well over 12yrs.
There's reports on there of the nvidia driver causing physical damage to hardware and even some of the previous fanbois have admitted that they would never have thought that a software issue could cause hardware damage - until now.
Makes you wonder about my OCZ drive doesnt it. The amount of blue screens re the nvidia issue I was getting, could this have contributed towards the drive failure? I dont think it will have helped. :/
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Because I've come to the conclusion that I will having to do another fresh install of Windows, I decided to do some testing just to satisfy myself that this is a problem with the nvidia drivers or not. These are the results - draw your own conclusion.
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START
At the start of the test I was getting
~ 72.5 Mbps speeds on TBB speedtester
~ Network would take on average 4 seconds to connect (I can speed this up a tad - Im still using DHCP)
~ Id had no Screen freezes since uninstalling the previous nvidia software (>6 hours)
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INSTALL DRIVER PACKAGE
Installed nvidia drivers 335.23 direct from their website and let it do an express install.
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Ftemp%2Fnvidia%2Finstall2a.png&hash=c35618a548022962152db2c510cf2f0a80fe1606)
This is what it installed:
Red x shows what new items were installed, the tick shows just an updated driver no.
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Ftemp%2Fnvidia%2Finstall3.png&hash=58688df35442e913770edd7228e55f479f474d7a)
It took 6 mins to discover my network and get an internet connection after a cold boot.
I went to TBB and did a speed test.
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thinkbroadband.com%2Fspeedtest%2Fbutton%2F139575474730925936076.png&hash=bea42ace84a0ee2239a150cf57ad6cba9823272e)
I did a Line quality assesment at Visualware
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Ftemp%2Fnvidia%2Fvw_q1.png&hash=3345ba304f72d32fbceab9ea1ec6bdcf43685483)
I'll add the full results as an attachment - its a bit to big to post in the thread, but it makes interesting reading :(
Just 15/20 mins after installing the driver package I encountered my first screen freeze and had to do a full & ungraceful reboot of the system. :(
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UNINSTALL
Uninstalled most of the nVidia stuff via CP add/remove.
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Ftemp%2Fnvidia%2Funinstalled.png&hash=039200932e4867b5a007de584602a87d5ba4a1cf)
It still leaves an awful amount of rubbish on your PC
Theres a large file at the root of C: which is no longer needed.
Below is just some of the files left behind which shouldnt be needed in C:/progs/Nvidia/Installer.
c:/Program Files(x86)/Nvidia/ seems relatively clean and just contains what I need for the Control Panel, PhysX & a few dll files.
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Ftemp%2Fnvidia%2Funinstalled2.png&hash=ebbfd7fadbb96cfaa8aedaeb6cf82846fbe3c4f0)
It takes 4 secs to discover the network after a windows boot,
and this is a speedtest from TBB
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thinkbroadband.com%2Fspeedtest%2Fbutton%2F139576216307525780960.png&hash=96a7bc9b42ba1da2bd0b6ee9c09c46b5649273d3)
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Do you actually need to load any nVidia software? Is it possible to use the hardware in purely basic VESA mode?
If the answers to the above are unfortunately "yes & no", then maybe time has come to replace the nVidia graphics controller with something completely different? :-\
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Nice bit of research there Kitz, amazing just what affect it had on your PC, what's it coming to when we get all this rubbish installed on our computers, it should be a clear option to install it.
I think the answer is to do a custom install, and only install the graphics driver and physX, and make sure Windows Update is not set to automatically install drivers.
I think if Nvidia keep up with this rubbish then my next graphics card purchase will be from AMD, and considering I'm running two 680's in SLI that's a fair chunk of money.
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Do you actually need to load any nVidia software? Is it possible to use the hardware in purely basic VESA mode?
If the answers to the above are unfortunately "yes & no",
That is a..... Yes and No :(
Without it my monitor doesnt run at the correct resolution, and without the nVidia CP I cant run dual monitors. I 'think' the basic I can get away with is the nvidia control panel. Which is what I intend to try after a clean windows install.
This afternoons experiment seems to point the blame at GeForce Experience - or at least something that is installed with it such as NvStream
Something is seriously wrong atm with nvidia and since this has been ongoing for hundreds of people since last Nov, I cant understand why they cant get to the bottom of it. Theres also people on here such as Newtron Star [1 (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=13449.msg254688#msg254688) and ronski in his post above who admitted that the update causes them issues too, but not serious enough to cause a long term problem.
Touch wood without the GeForce bulk its now running fine again :fingers: so this afternoons work hasnt been fruitless, in that I know if I can just use drivers without other rubbish then at least the network is 100% fine, and touch wood its not frozen if GeForce is added.
then maybe time has come to replace the nVidia graphics controller with something completely different? :-\
This has seriously put me - and many others judging by the state of their forum - off nvidia. Unfortunately theres not that many other options though, we seem to have a rather limited choice of nvidia or amd. How many people wont bother visiting the forums and just think their PC is broken. The average bod would just take it to PCworld, who would say "broken graphics card you need a new one", and present them with a bill for £150. :-X
I know this isnt a top of the range card, but it still cost me iirc @£120... it worked fine for over a year until I stupidly updated the drivers.. and thats why I was looking for an old version of the drivers again.
From this afernoons experiment, I 'think' that as long as I use one of their downloads and am VERY careful about what I let it install then I may be ok. :fingers: In future, I must not let wupdate install or update anything hardware related, because that appears to silently install the GeForce experience without giving you any option.
Looking back now. The network issues I had last year with slow speeds which were Rwin related (was that really something to do with nvStreamSvc? ) the bluescreening when I thought my graphics card was knacked and the PC wouldnt reboot link (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=13283.0), then the failure of my SDD so soon. The past few months its been one PC niggle after another. I cant recall EVER having had so many issues with my own PC and now everything seems to be pointing at one possible same source. I guess I will never know re the OCZ drive, but without doubt the amount of blue/black screens Ive had over the past few months will not have done any drive any good, regardless of make.
I guess its my own fault for making this (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=13129.0) post in October. Ye gawds has that bit me on the butt big time :lol:
I think the answer is to do a custom install, and only install the graphics driver and physX, and make sure Windows Update is not set to automatically install drivers.
Yep thats the next plan of action.. Just wanted to make sure its stable atm with just those 2.
Bit hard to tell for sure on such a bare system though. Once I start installing all the programs then it becomes a work-horse again.
I dont want to spend a week putting everything back on and then it crash again, so I'll leave it bare for the next few days.
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This might be a bit wide of the mark, but if you completely uninstall the drivers and other supporting software (perhaps even removing the card if the PC also has built in graphics?) and then booting cleanly with a "new" nVidia card, does it install Microsoft drivers rather than nVidia drivers? If so, are these good enough?
In days gone past, many an unstable Windows system was blamed on Microsoft, but was invariably 3rd party drivers - only using Microsoft drivers would result in a very stable system (although sometimes lacking features/speed!)
Not sure if this is also relevant :
Some months ago I was given a load of old PC bits. One was an Nividia 9800GT card. It produced a display with lots of lines on it, tried to boot then blue screened.
Some googling revealed that a serious overheat problem on some older nVidia chips caused the GPU solder balls to fracture. A "fix" is to bake it in the oven.
So, the other day, I put the failing 9800GT card in a reheated oven at 200C for 10 minutes, then let it cool in the oven for several hours before removing.
Put back in PC, switched on and...
works perfectly!
Cooking in oven reflows the solder enough without (so far) damaging anything ???
Ian
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if you completely uninstall the drivers and other supporting software (perhaps even removing the card if the PC also has built in graphics?) and then booting cleanly with a "new" nVidia card, does it install Microsoft drivers rather than nVidia drivers? If so, are these good enough?
I've learned over the years to do this as the default, avoiding all the "bloatware" that usually arrived with the manufacturers driver install package.
Sometimes you can pick the drivers up by requesting an update in Device Manager, other times (I've no idea why) this doesn't find anything but a full run of Windows Update does. ???
I've also noticed some installers do give you the option of a "drivers only" install (no tools or utilities) and again I choose that if available when forced down that route.
Finally I note Kitz comment about multiple monitors. Surely that is standard Windows functionality if supported by the drivers?
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>> does it install Microsoft drivers rather than nVidia drivers?
That is what I was hoping for when I did the fresh install. But unfortunately the MS version also silently included all the unwanted parts such as NVStreamSvc and 3D vision etc and theres no option to choose what bits are added at all.. it more or less installs the same as 'express install' from invidia. :(
It took me about 10 mins to reinstall windows, then about an hour and a half to install the updates. I'd still not found a suitable graphics driver so I installed the suggested windows certified version.
By that I meant the Microsoft ones in this post (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=13735.msg258680#msg258680) where I list the order of installation.
I ran it for appx 2 hours on the basic windows drivers that came with the windows dvd, but it was incorrect resolution and I only had one monitor. I then installed the drivers that were recommended in w-update. As soon as I installed them, I encountered problems again, the network issue kicked in straight away. Admittedly I didnt have any blue screening, but I did get a few frozen screens where the only way out was to power-down... and cases of weirdness, like when the mouse gets stuck or shows the wrong pointer/icon, or weird artifacts that shouldnt be there.
>> I've also noticed some installers do give you the option of a "drivers only" install (no tools or utilities)
I can absolutely guarantee 100% there is no option if the upgrade comes via windows, whilst it may not install everything in the full nvidia package, it does seem to include some of the unwanted add on items such as 3D and nvstream and HD sound drivers.
Touch wood Ive not had any problems since I removed NVstream, 3D and GExperience yesterday afternoon. :fingers: There are still LOTS of unwanted nvidea stuff scattered across the drive and I intend doing another clean install when I get time.
I intend to use the nvidia package which at least gives you some sort of custom install option - unlike the windows one - I know I mustnt use express install because that also installs some of the unwanted bulk - as found out by yesterday afternoons experiment.
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Kitz this is all Deja Vu from your last issue that NVStream seemed to be cause, I guess your going to have to set the Windows Update to Download updates but but let me choose whether to install them that way you can untick the NVidia driver, I never use the windows update for graphic drivers as I use the Nvidia Web site http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-uk (http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-uk)
lets hope this is the last issue with NV drivers.
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Kitz,
I'm still running Nvidia driver version 9.18.13.1106.
The problem is I cant find the installer at the mo (so based on your experience I hope I don't need to re install anytime soon) BUT I have in the past installed drivers the loooooong way; one file at a time pointing or searching for the next file on a computer.
If I can't find the installer I can zip up all the files listed in devmgmt and send them to you?
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I remember the pain ........ ;) :)
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I remember the pain ........ ;) :)
Would that be the pain that stopped you upgrading to Mavericks ;) Not all is rosy in the Apple camp.
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Me doest sense Kitz preparing the sheep dip . . . :D
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I remember the pain ........ ;) :)
Would that be the pain that stopped you upgrading to Mavericks ;) Not all is rosy in the Apple camp.
Ha ha, the difference being ........ I probably get one software update every 5/6 weeks, if that ??!!.
'Mavericks' was offered (it didn't install itself like Kitz's NVidia did), and I decided not to perform the update after taking Kitz's advice and looking into it myself a wee bit.
All is incredibly quiet and update-free in the Apple camp. :P ;D
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Me doest sense Kitz preparing the sheep dip . . . :D
Ha ha, looks like a week or two of fleas then, Cat. ;) ;D
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I remember the pain ........ ;) :)
@ BS..
This is an nvidia issue not windows.
Before I updated the drivers last year (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=13449.0) Ive not had a black or blue screen issues since installing WinXP in 2001. Windows 7 is also very stable - you can see my audit figures here (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?topic=13129.0) which were taken just before I encountered all the driver issues.
I thought Id turned the hardware part of wupdate off after I installed the new drive, but obviously not, and having just reinstalled windows again I think I know where I went wrong and accidentally turned it back on again (Amber nag in Action Centre).
Incidentally whilst looking for old drivers the other day, I stumbled across an informative blog by someone in a similar situation as me, with the GTX 500 series card which also started at exactly the same time.
He has been doing some digging on the problem, His post is actually very informative, but the conclusion says it all
BSOD reports that point straight at Nvidia? Yes, it's not my problem, and it's not hardware, which worked perfectly until I foolishly updated the drivers.
i've been a loyal user of Nvidia since 1999, with GeForce 2 and such. I have probably spent at least USD2,500 on different graphics cards over the last decade. So extrapolate over the next four or five decades, how much more money I could have spent on Nvidia. But no more. I've had enough.
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Blacksheep - I wouldnt laugh too long or hard, nor can Apple feel smug - Lion users plagued by black screen bug (http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/some-lion-users-plagued-by-black-screen-bug/) - that was caused by the nvidia drivers too - so apple users arent imune :P :P :P
PS. It can also affect linux (https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/567297/linux-3-10-driver-crash/) too :(
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I think I know where I went wrong and accidentally turned it back on again (Amber nag in Action Centre).
It's also worth looking at the Settings in Windows Update.
Most hardware driver updates come through as at most Recommended (or even just Optional), not Important so uncheck the option to treat them the same.
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Cheers HP
I have just completed another fresh install and this is how Ive currently set it. Because I have (or will soon have installed again) Office 2007, I'd like for it to show me other MS Updates.
This is what I currently have set - wupdate1.png
Which shows in Action Center as this - actioncenter.png
Im now in the land of 'nag circle', the only way out seems to be 'turn off messages about Windows update'.
If I do that will it still advise me if theres updates waiting to install?
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Kitz as HP said the Nvidia drivers come in as optional and once it comes in you should untick it and windows should remember this and the next NVidia update that comes will be shown but not selected.
on Vista I don't get the Nag, here is my setup.
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Set the windows update settings as Newtron has them set then go to
- Control Panel
- Action center
- Change action center settings
Under security messages turn windows updates off (Untick it)
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Cheers HP
I have just completed another fresh install and this is how Ive currently set it.
Mine (W7x64) is EXACTLY the same EXCEPT in the Action Centre (spelled Center IIRC >:D ) in the Security section I've turned of WU messages so don't get nagged. ;)
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Thank you everyone.
I wanted to make sure that if I turned off Messages about Windows update, then it would still advise me when there were new updates.
Im now in the land of 'nag circle', the only way out seems to be 'turn off messages about Windows update'.
If I do that will it still advise me if theres updates waiting to install?
I see from Berricks example that there is a separate section for security and maintenance.. so as long as it still advises me when there are any.. then I should be good to go.
That was the page I was looking for.. it isnt immediately obvious from where you click "Turn off messages about Windows Update", because it just does so without taking you to that particular page. Now I know where it is... its obvious. :D
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PS I should explain why I was confused.
When you click "Turn off" - this is what you do see.. and you can now perhaps see why I was concerned about Windows not advising me if there were any important updates. (see cap)
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kitz.
1 - uninstall all nvidia crap using uninstaller
2 - run driver cleaner app to remove whats left
3 - when you reboot you be in a low res vga mode is ok
4 - install your favourite stable nvidia drivers but choose CUSTOM install
5 - only install core drivers and physx, untick everything else.
and of course set windows updates to notify only, not automatic install.
also you can hide updates on windows update, I hide the nvidia updates. right click the update and select hide. when hidden it should stop prompts for hidden uninstalled updates meaning dont need to disable notifications. (i reccomend you dont disable notifications in system tray).
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there's also a 'clean install' checkbox in the driver installer you could try using.