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Title: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Ronski on October 10, 2013, 08:27:58 PM
Yesterday, I was having intermittent browsing problems, so I tried various things, including try to access  the web interface of the modem, but I would just get a page unavailable message.

I then noticed the BE's monitoring program had over a 1000 isrunning files, and then on checking the modem stats log it had not been updated since 03:23 yesterday morning. There was a red spike on BQM about this time.

Anyway I tried various things, I could ping the modem and get a response, I could log in via Telnet and do things, but BE's programs were not happy, they basically didn't work and I couldn't access the web interface.

I rebooted the modem, router and my server one at a time, but nothing made any difference.

I then got out my spare modem and installed that, and everything then worked perfectly.

I've been in contact with BE and he's says that there have been a couple of reports recently of apparent changes to the modem.

So, is there anyway I can extract information from this modem via Telnet so people can see what's changed and hows it's changed?

Edit: Opps, just posted this and realised it should be in the Broadband Hardware forum
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on October 10, 2013, 09:09:14 PM
My programs may not complete (I'll have to rewrite some of the code to take account of apparent changes), but a Plink log you emailed to me definitely demonstrates that something has changed.

I don't know if this is a modem update or DSLAM update yet, but I do suspect the modem has been remotely updated as you are connected to an ECI DSLAM & other Huawei DSLAM users are very recently starting to report issues.

Here's a couple of snippets from the Plink log. I have just started to examine it:-

xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason:   0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:   Upstream rate = 8886 Kbps, Downstream rate = 46592 Kbps
Bearer:   0, Upstream rate = 8689 Kbps, Downstream rate = 46593 Kbps




         VDSL2 framing
         Bearer 0
MSGc:      18      27
B:      239      238
M:      1      1
T:      64      20
R:      0      16
S:      0.1639      0.8748
L:      11712      2332
D:      1      1
I:      240      255
N:      240      255



         Bearer 0
INP:      0.00      0.00
INPRein:   0.00      0.00
delay:      0      0
PER:      2.63      13.17
OR:      72.91      20.04
AgR:      46665.71   8708.69

Bitswap:   4652/4653      3/3



====================================================================================
   VDSL Band Status      U0      U1      U2      U3      U4      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB): 2.2    33.1    50.8     N/A    N/A    16.1    42.7    67.0   
Signal Attenuation(dB): 2.2    32.9    49.8     N/A    N/A    21.4    42.4    67.5   
      SNR Margin(dB):    6.3    6.1    6.2     N/A    N/A    6.3    6.3    6.2   
       TX Power(dBm):   -3.6   -8.7    5.4     N/A     N/A    8.7    7.3   -2.5



Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: burakkucat on October 10, 2013, 09:43:42 PM
<snip> I do suspect the modem gas <snip>

Flammable or non-flammable?  ::)
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on October 10, 2013, 09:49:55 PM
<snip> I do suspect the modem gas <snip>

Flammable or non-flammable?  ::)

Pah!!!! There's alway one, isn't there b*cat?

Anyway, it looks like there is an unexpected bit of work for some of us to do here.

It looks like there may well have been a couple of changes here.
Possibly a Huawei DSLAM firmware update AND a HG612 modem firmware change - I'm not sure yet.



Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: ryant704 on October 10, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Your ISP should know if there were any planned cabinet updates, contact and ask them? If there wasn't it will be a modem update, they should also be able to find that out.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Greybeard33 on October 10, 2013, 10:31:18 PM
 I have had a similar experience to Ronski. I was not harvesting stats, but when I attempted to log in to the modem for a routine check this evening I found that the web interface was inaccessible, although telnet login still works. From snapshot stats the Plink log has similar additions to those highlighted by BE above, and the DSLAM bandplan has changed again from that reported in my previous thread. This time nearly all the band limits have changed, although still different from those of an ECI DSLAM. The Retrain Reason is 0, although I have not rebooted the modem, and the retrain occurred at about 5am.

Before and after Plinks and stats attached. It appears that both the modem and the DSLAM have received a firmware update. The line performance is slightly improved.

Edit: The U0 and D1 bands no longer overlap.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Ronski on October 11, 2013, 09:16:51 AM
It seems this has also now happened to my modem at work. At 02:31 this morning HG612 Stats stopped logging, and this coincided with a resync showing on my BQM. I've also lost web access.

I'm going to leave the modem at work as it is, but the question is should I leave my modem at home with the hacked firmware with web access or swap it back to the other one, and forgo the stats until BE whips up a modified version?
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: rob on October 11, 2013, 01:20:27 PM
My modem also updated in the early hours of this morning and is now reporting itself as:

Code: [Select]
# xdslcmd --version
xdslcmd version 1.0
DSL PHY: AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j
******* Pass *********

I'm connected to an ECI cabinet and my band plans have also changed to:

Code: [Select]
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (6,31) (882,1193) (1984,2770)
DS: (33,857) (1218,1959) (2795,4083)

It looks like D3 is the only part to not change.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: ryant704 on October 11, 2013, 02:03:26 PM
It seems this has also now happened to my modem at work. At 02:31 this morning HG612 Stats stopped logging, and this coincided with a resync showing on my BQM. I've also lost web access.

I'm going to leave the modem at work as it is, but the question is should I leave my modem at home with the hacked firmware with web access or swap it back to the other one, and forgo the stats until BE whips up a modified version?

It's worth noting DSLstats still works even with the updated firmware.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on October 11, 2013, 02:14:24 PM
Is that with a Huawei or ECI DSLAM?
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: ryant704 on October 11, 2013, 02:22:09 PM
Is that with a Huawei or ECI DSLAM?

Huawei I believe.

My modem also updated in the early hours of this morning and is now reporting itself as:

Code: [Select]
# xdslcmd --version
xdslcmd version 1.0
DSL PHY: AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j
******* Pass *********

I'm connected to an ECI cabinet and my band plans have also changed to:

Code: [Select]
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (6,31) (882,1193) (1984,2770)
DS: (33,857) (1218,1959) (2795,4083)

It looks like D3 is the only part to not change.

My current Band Plan on an ECI cabinet if people would like to compare.

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (880,1195) (1984,2771)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1959) (2792,4083)

All our bands are different, even if it is just one of the two. Worth noting my cabinet and modem haven't been updated yet.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: rob on October 11, 2013, 02:36:02 PM
My current Band Plan on an ECI cabinet if people would like to compare.

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (880,1195) (1984,2771)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1959) (2792,4083)

All our bands are different, even if it is just one of the two. Worth noting my cabinet and modem haven't been updated yet.

My previous values are the same as yours - I'd obviously misread my old D3 value in the heat of the moment! :-[  That means it's all change.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 11, 2013, 03:27:47 PM
So, is someone going to be unlocking this new firmware?, ive flashed back to the updated blob old firmware, my sync speed instantly improved and ping went back down, so im not happy with the performance of the new firmware, but that could be because of the overwriting of the hacked firmware maybe, will someone be taking on the job?. Oh yes, don't reset your modem, you will loose the telnet aswell.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: ryant704 on October 11, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
Oh yes, don't reset your modem, you will loose the telnet aswell.

I'm assuming you done a hard reset (by accident maybe), this going back to factory settings. You will need to unlock the modem again... though you've done that now.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 11, 2013, 03:45:46 PM
yeah, I held the reset button to long. :-[ . My error rate at the moment is nearly non existant, theres really no need to have the new firmware, the old works fantastic with the updated dslam, I would usually get around 10/15 crcs in 15mins, Ive had 1 in 45mins. ;D How do you tell what dslam your on?, I thought I wasn't on eci because of not having the eci modem.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: ryant704 on October 11, 2013, 03:54:15 PM
yeah, I held the reset button to long. :-[ . My error rate at the moment is nearly non existant, theres really no need to have the new firmware, the old works fantastic with the updated dslam, I would usually get around 10/15 crcs in 15mins, Ive had 1 in 45mins. ;D How do you tell what dslam your on?, I thought I wasn't on eci because of not having the eci modem.

Mine is currently drawing weird shapes! Got to love some RFI! :)
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 11, 2013, 04:00:26 PM
Damn it, me and my big mouth.  :'( , still better than it was though, just had a 10 crc spike.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Howlingwolf on October 11, 2013, 08:39:38 PM
I've just switched to the newer blob (A2pv6C035m) following a line fault and my error rates are much lower than before, but there's no way of telling how much of that is down to the repair.

The contractors who put the new pole in damaged the insulation when they moved the line and it had just corroded through. The high winds recently caused enough movement to break it completely. He did say he was surprised I could get any sort of connection as it was in a hell of a state.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Chrysalis on October 12, 2013, 04:23:00 AM
ok this is all a bit messy but interesting.

So BT are rolling out firmware updates for both modems and dslams.

The band plan is changing and from what I see D1 has been extended to use more lower tones, greybeard got an extra 7mbit sync out of it, I call that significant.

The new firmware version is no longer fully locked, openreach now allow telnet access.

Sounds right so far?

So questions I guess.

If a dslam gets upgraded but the user stays on old firmware do they get the new band plan?
If a user such as myself who has btagent disabled, and as such dont get the update, if I were to reenable btagent would ?I eventually get it or is this just a one sweep thing.

How are you guys checking if the eci dslam version is updated?

Ok analysing the bitloading on my line this may be bad news for me.  The D3 bandplan is changed, its shorter.  I do use those tones that have been chopped off, the changes on D1 wont help me much because those tones on my line are part of the power cutback.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Chrysalis on October 12, 2013, 04:36:43 AM
Is that with a Huawei or ECI DSLAM?

Huawei I believe.

My modem also updated in the early hours of this morning and is now reporting itself as:

Code: [Select]
# xdslcmd --version
xdslcmd version 1.0
DSL PHY: AnnexA version - A2pv6C038m.d24j
******* Pass *********

I'm connected to an ECI cabinet and my band plans have also changed to:

Code: [Select]
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (6,31) (882,1193) (1984,2770)
DS: (33,857) (1218,1959) (2795,4083)

It looks like D3 is the only part to not change.

My current Band Plan on an ECI cabinet if people would like to compare.

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (880,1195) (1984,2771)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1959) (2792,4083)

All our bands are different, even if it is just one of the two. Worth noting my cabinet and modem haven't been updated yet.


mine on ECI same as yours ryan.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 12, 2013, 05:06:00 AM
It will be "interesting" if this update rolls out to people using the HG612 on Digital Region too, although I would expect they only probe for the routers on their own network?

Hopefully a new unlocked firmware will be rolled out with BTAgent fully disabled for peace of mind.

I certainly have no plans to change modem driver version as the updated one has been rock-solid stable for me.  I have been in sync (Upstream rate = 33564 Kbps, Downstream rate = 99999 Kbps) for 167 days 7 hours 47 minutes 58 seconds. 

Its a shame the network is closing down, I am hoping this firmware change is an indication BT will be offering similar speeds to what I am getting now.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: ryant704 on October 12, 2013, 05:54:22 AM
The new firmware version is no longer fully locked, openreach now allow telnet access.

? It is only unlocked because we unlocked it, if you had the default firmware and you upgraded I would imagine it's still blocked.

If a user such as myself who has btagent disabled, and as such dont get the update, if I were to reenable btagent would ?I eventually get it or is this just a one sweep thing.

Eventually it will update...

How are you guys checking if the eci dslam version is updated?

Believe the band change was the first sign of a cabinet update. Then an update to the firmware which also caused a band plan but the locking out of the GUI told them it was a Modem update and not a cabinet update again.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Chrysalis on October 12, 2013, 06:38:40 AM
ok but a band change doesnt mean the dslam firmware is updated, it just means they reconfigured it.

regarding the telnet access, I would expect a fully locked firmware to relock it, eg. if one reflashes the original openreach firmware telnet doesnt remain open.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Greybeard33 on October 12, 2013, 09:38:08 AM
? It is only unlocked because we unlocked it, if you had the default firmware and you upgraded I would imagine it's still blocked.
I think the update has flashed a complete new firmware image, not just changed out the hardware driver blob. From my modem:
Quote
# equipcmd swversion display
software version: V100R001C01B030SP06
xdsl firmware version: A2pv6C038m.d24j
cpu version: BCM6368
cfe version: 1.0.37-102.6
display version success#
According to Asbokid's blog http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/hg612-firmware-checksums/ (http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/hg612-firmware-checksums/), the original (locked) firmware version was HG612V100R001C01B028SP06 or HG612V100R001C01B028SP10, and the unlocked variant HG612V100R001C01B028SP10unlocked002. I think it unlikely that BTOR would take the trouble to roll out two versions of the new firmware, one locked and the other unlocked, just for the benefit of the few users who have flashed the unlocked version. So I suspect Telnet access is now open without hacking.

I had a poke around in the file system and could not find the files /etc/webimg and /etc/webidx, which according to Asbokid's blog http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/adding-or-modifying-pages-in-the-huaweis-web-interface/ (http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/adding-or-modifying-pages-in-the-huaweis-web-interface/) contained the web interface in the old firmware. Maybe BTOR has simply deleted the web interface rather than blocking it in the firewall?
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 12, 2013, 10:40:11 AM
After flashing the old firmware back yesterday I was expecting the update to be pushed again, nothings changed at the moment. Will I still get the update or is that it for me now?. Couldn't you modify the firmware and put the webui back?. Telnet is still blocked by default, I hard reset my modem and lost telnet as well. I thought the dslam upgrade was better for my line but its not, ive pooh load of crc errors, way more than before, maybe I need the modem upgrade, but the thing is, when  I had the new firmware, my ping went up, lost 5meg on download, and upload was nearly cut by half, so I really don't know what to do, block the upgrade or whatever.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Howlingwolf on October 12, 2013, 01:31:06 PM
Hopefully a new unlocked firmware will be rolled out with BTAgent fully disabled for peace of mind.

I've just built one with both BTAgent and the ptm1.301 vlan completely removed but I want to be sure it's stable before I make it available. I think a couple of weeks live usage should suffice.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Chrysalis on October 12, 2013, 03:30:03 PM
? It is only unlocked because we unlocked it, if you had the default firmware and you upgraded I would imagine it's still blocked.
I think the update has flashed a complete new firmware image, not just changed out the hardware driver blob. From my modem:
Quote
# equipcmd swversion display
software version: V100R001C01B030SP06
xdsl firmware version: A2pv6C038m.d24j
cpu version: BCM6368
cfe version: 1.0.37-102.6
display version success#
According to Asbokid's blog http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/hg612-firmware-checksums/ (http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/hg612-firmware-checksums/), the original (locked) firmware version was HG612V100R001C01B028SP06 or HG612V100R001C01B028SP10, and the unlocked variant HG612V100R001C01B028SP10unlocked002. I think it unlikely that BTOR would take the trouble to roll out two versions of the new firmware, one locked and the other unlocked, just for the benefit of the few users who have flashed the unlocked version. So I suspect Telnet access is now open without hacking.

I had a poke around in the file system and could not find the files /etc/webimg and /etc/webidx, which according to Asbokid's blog http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/adding-or-modifying-pages-in-the-huaweis-web-interface/ (http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/adding-or-modifying-pages-in-the-huaweis-web-interface/) contained the web interface in the old firmware. Maybe BTOR has simply deleted the web interface rather than blocking it in the firewall?

yeah.

on the ECI v2 one reason its such a pain to use is the web itnerface has been deleted on it, it doesnt exist.

It would seem a similiar approach has been done here, and maybe they then thought since the web interface is gone there is no need to block it on the firewall forgetting about telnet.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 12, 2013, 03:53:59 PM
Hopefully a new unlocked firmware will be rolled out with BTAgent fully disabled for peace of mind.

I've just built one with both BTAgent and the ptm1.301 vlan completely removed but I want to be sure it's stable before I make it available. I think a couple of weeks live usage should suffice.

Which modem version did you use?
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Howlingwolf on October 12, 2013, 05:43:19 PM
Hopefully a new unlocked firmware will be rolled out with BTAgent fully disabled for peace of mind.

I've just built one with both BTAgent and the ptm1.301 vlan completely removed but I want to be sure it's stable before I make it available. I think a couple of weeks live usage should suffice.

Which modem version did you use?

I used the original, locked SP10 image supplied by asbokid as the starting point. The modem I've got it running on at the moment is a rev 3B but it should work with rev 2B and maybe earlier as well.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on October 12, 2013, 07:22:10 PM
Hopefully a new unlocked firmware will be rolled out with BTAgent fully disabled for peace of mind.

I've just built one with both BTAgent and the ptm1.301 vlan completely removed but I want to be sure it's stable before I make it available. I think a couple of weeks live usage should suffice.

Which modem version did you use?

I used the original, locked SP10 image supplied by asbokid as the starting point. The modem I've got it running on at the moment is a rev 3B but it should work with rev 2B and maybe earlier as well.

My fault, I meant the hardware driver BLOB as http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/firmware-with-the-newest-hardware-driver-blog/ (http://huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/firmware-with-the-newest-hardware-driver-blog/) works much better than the original one.

As for physical hardware, I thought 2B was one of the ones that overheated and so was no longer used?
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Howlingwolf on October 12, 2013, 08:28:33 PM
I'm using the latest PHY driver blob from asbokid's v1.8 toolkit (A2pv6C035m).

On the hardware side, it's only the original version which has the overheating problem as far as I know. Rev 2B onwards should be ok.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Ronski on October 12, 2013, 08:29:08 PM
Just for future reference is it possible to change the modems IP address by Telnet? As I don't use the pre-configured address.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 14, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
Hey, as anyone checked the line attenuation?, as it started to report that for vdsl2?.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: bbnovice on October 14, 2013, 11:49:44 AM
Hi:

I suspect that my HG612 updated sometime in the early hours of today.  I can no longer even telnet the modem.

BBN
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: ryant704 on October 14, 2013, 12:46:31 PM
Hi:

I suspect that my HG612 updated sometime in the early hours of today.  I can no longer even telnet the modem.

BBN

Are you sure? Do you get any errors or?
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: NewtronStar on October 14, 2013, 01:26:03 PM
the annoying thing with this update is the way it sneaks in late at night with a 0 retrain and my speeds go up and 2 days later the interleaving kicks in and caps me for two weeks, cheers DLM

I know it's my fault should have turned off the Modem as soon as the interleaving started getting higher, but what about the millions of users who don't have an unlocked modem  :crazy:
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: ryant704 on October 14, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
the annoying thing with this update is the way it sneaks in late at night with a 0 retrain and my speeds go up and 2 days later the interleaving kicks in and caps me for two weeks, cheers DLM
Count yourself lucky it only takes you two weeks... 36 day sync before and 88 days before that. A blue power transformer exploded (Thanks to OR, I might add) this leading to a quick power cut for me a couple of seconds. Straight into banding at 20Mbps dl cap, sync went on for 32 days. Then the DLM kicked in and changed the upload speed from 4400 to 5200. Still have a lovely 16SNRM on my download, now going on for 8 more days. It's a joke, 40 days uninterrupted connection with good stats throughout the whole time.

All openreach updates are done in the early mornings, this way it doesn't interrupt the user (more than likely).
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: kitz on October 14, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
Ive not yet been updated (ECI cab) and am umming and ahhing about turning off the btagent.  I had turned it off in the gui, but not via telnet.



The new band plans are interesting.  Properly defining separate bands for upstream/down stream for U0 and D0 makes much more sense. I have in the past wondered about the effect of having a shared band over tones 32-95 as surely this isnt good as far as crosstalk goes?  Basic adsl principals say that keeping them separate is there for a purpose.
Perhaps at first when 40/2,40/10 was introduced it didnt make much difference - especially when some lines didnt use the shared band at that time.  But lines on 80/20 where all frequencies are likely to be in use, then I could never see why there was a shared band.  By properly defining separate up and down channel bands some lines may benefit.


There are only 2 reasons that I can think of why the web interface was removed
1. To make space - Why on earth cant more flash memory used - its not that expensive and wouldnt add that much to the overall cost of a board.  Ive seen this problem over the years with several routers supposedly running out of storage memory as firware updates are installed. Have I missed something obvious?
2. To stop access.  A simple but hardly effective proceedure especially when they still leave telnet open.



Out of interest has everyone else got CWMP turned off?  Theoretically it should stop TR069 and how 'normal' firmware upgrades are carried out remotely by the CP.   
However Ive long suspected that BT dont bother too much with TR069 and in usual BT fashion have devised and written their own version of remote management.
I did some digging a while ago cant recall exact details now, but the BTAgent was using SNMP..  which is an alternative way for the CP to push out remote firmware upgrades and interact with the ACS.  They possibly may still use TR69 more for helpdesk type purposes though. 
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: bbnovice on October 14, 2013, 04:56:14 PM
Are you sure? Do you get any errors or?
Hi:

I suspect that my HG612 updated sometime in the early hours of today.  I can no longer even telnet the modem.

BBN

Are you sure? Do you get any errors or?

I'm 100% sure. Just get "cannot connect" message at command level. Tried access with firewall off and all sorts of things.  Cannot telnet and ping is ignored by the modem - LAN2 effectively appears closed. No unexpectedly HG stats no longer produces even snapshot graphs.

All I can tell (from the BT wholesale speed checker) is that there has been a marginal increase in my DS profile.

BBN


Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: plexy on October 14, 2013, 05:16:14 PM

Out of interest has everyone else got CWMP turned off?  Theoretically it should stop TR069 and how 'normal' firmware upgrades are carried out remotely by the CP.

I have the TR069 connection disabled on my Hg612. Im on the new bandplan and my modem remains on the same PHY firmware, though sometime overnight there was a retrain (may be unrelated). My 'max' attainable upstream rate also appears to have dropped 2mb compared to the other day http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,12979.msg245154.html#msg245154 (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,12979.msg245154.html#msg245154)

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# xdslcmd info --show
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason:   2
Max:   Upstream rate = 22727 Kbps, Downstream rate = 77708 Kbps
Path:   0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 66398 Kbps

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# xdslcmd --version
xdslcmd version 1.0
DSL PHY: AnnexA version - A2pv6C030b.d22g
******* Pass *********

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# xdslcmd  info --pbParams
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason:   2
Max:   Upstream rate = 22747 Kbps, Downstream rate = 77928 Kbps
Path:   0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 66398 Kbps

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207) (1972,2783)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963) (2792,3971)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207) (1972,2783)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963) (2792,3971)
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream        Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate:      22747 kbps         77928 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:    -   2.1 dBm          12.5 dBm
============================================================================
  VDSL Band Status        U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):    2.7    12.6    19.0     N/A    7.0    14.3    22.2   
Signal Attenuation(dB):    2.7    11.8    17.9     N/A    7.0    14.3    22.2   
        SNR Margin(dB):    7.4    7.3    7.3     N/A    6.3    6.1    6.1   
         TX Power(dBm):   -16.6   -32.1   -2.2     N/A    8.3    7.6    7.3   
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: NewtronStar on October 14, 2013, 05:20:13 PM

Out of interest has everyone else got CWMP turned off?  Theoretically it should stop TR069 and

I left it on in the GUI, never thought the HG612 modem would ever get a firmware update so there you go.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on October 14, 2013, 06:37:29 PM

I have the TR069 connection disabled on my Hg612. Im on the new bandplan and my modem remains on the same PHY firmware, though sometime overnight there was a retrain (may be unrelated). My 'max' attainable upstream rate also appears to have dropped 2mb compared to the other day


Quote
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207) (1972,2783)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963) (2792,3971)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207) (1972,2783)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963) (2792,3971)


That bandplan seems to be only the first stage of the update process.
i.e. Tones 32 to 95 are still shared.


The 2nd stage (modem firmware update) completely separates the US & DS tones & looks something like this:-

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)

However, that connection's highest tone is 3970 at both Discovery & Medley phases (not 3971).

Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: plexy on October 14, 2013, 09:30:42 PM
ah ha! thank you BE for your eagle eye (couldn't resist). As always, you are catching the finer details of the output.

I suppose that puts me in a good position to answer Kitz question when the second phase is completed here, as if my modem firmware updates then we know the TR069 connection is not necessary for the process. Though someone else may have that answer before me, depending on BTORs schedule
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 14, 2013, 09:31:47 PM
whats the url for ACS(tro69) mines blank so cant enable it. Im sure it wasn't enabled when I got the update, I reflashed the modded unlocked firmware with new driver after the update because I hard reset and lost telnet.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: plexy on October 14, 2013, 10:45:02 PM
whats the url for ACS(tro69) mines blank so cant enable it. Im sure it wasn't enabled when I got the update, I reflashed the modded unlocked firmware with new driver after the update because I hard reset and lost telnet.

do you mean one of these two?
/html/network/wan.gz.html
/html/network/tr069.gz.html
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: NewtronStar on October 14, 2013, 11:17:54 PM
whats the url for ACS(tro69) mines blank so cant enable it. Im sure it wasn't enabled when I got the update, I reflashed the modded unlocked firmware with new driver after the update because I hard reset and lost telnet.

So what your saying is Don't do a full reset on Modem when you get the firmware update or you will lose all telnet funtionality ?
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 14, 2013, 11:30:44 PM
Yep, you will if you hard reset, pulling the power is ok, I pressed reset for 5+ seconds, modem went off, come back on, lost all access. Bts configuration as become the default, with the unlocked firmware, the firewall is set to standard after a hard reset.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: NewtronStar on October 15, 2013, 12:38:43 AM
Yep, you will if you hard reset, pulling the power is ok, I pressed reset for 5+ seconds, modem went off, come back on, lost all access. Bts configuration as become the default, with the unlocked firmware, the firewall is set to standard after a hard reset.

that's good to know and thought about that last night as to why some are losing their telnet and others are not, I have only turned if off via power and have full Telnet access.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 16, 2013, 09:47:34 AM
Well, finally got updated after flashing old firmware back, when I got updated before, i lost no end of speed, upload and download, ping went up, just like now. If I was to flash the old firmware again, I can guarantee my attainable rate and sync rate will go back to how it was.I guess my lines not short enough for this new firmware/dslam upgrade. So who knows how to setup/disable the firewall through telnet?, I guess you cant do that from telnet right?, theres no commands in the help list.EDIT: wow, my error seconds are through the damn roof, its def bad for me, looks like ill be flashing the old back again and this time blocking the update. Line attenuation for download is being reported but not upload.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: NewtronStar on October 16, 2013, 07:54:42 PM
wow, my error seconds are through the damn roof, its def bad for me, looks like ill be flashing the old back again and this time blocking the update. Line attenuation for download is being reported but not upload.

No worrys boe323 do what you think is best for you ! TBH i think most of us were taken by surprise by this update, in my opinion those lines who have had the updates it needs time to settle down over weeks before you or I can make a judement on how it's effecting our Broadband experience only time will tell  :(
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 16, 2013, 08:00:56 PM
My final bandplan is lower than the initial bandplan, do you think that's why im syncing lower?
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2506)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3938)
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: ryant704 on October 16, 2013, 08:03:07 PM
Mine has done the same though speed has remained the same as I'm banded... I doubt it's the reason because of the lower speed.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 16, 2013, 08:05:43 PM
Ill give a week while I wait for network adaptor from scan.co.uk, as my embedded piece of crap bigfoot nic wont communicate with the firmware update page. Just a thought, as anyone triee setting there ip to 192.168.1.100 and trying the webui?, I suppose they have right?.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: NewtronStar on October 16, 2013, 08:29:05 PM
Ill give a week while I wait for network adaptor from scan.co.uk, as my embedded piece of crap bigfoot nic wont communicate with the firmware update page. Just a thought, as anyone triee setting there ip to 192.168.1.100 and trying the webui?, I suppose they have right?.

Sounds like Bigfoot Nic needs a new driver or re-install the driver you used before
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 16, 2013, 10:38:29 PM
I had to use a laptop originally, used my mothers pc the other day, never been able to use my nic, its designed to bypass the stack, I suspect that's the reason.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 21, 2013, 09:19:31 AM
Im interested in pulling the chip and getting a dump, can someone point me to the hardware and software needed please, I guess if I dump image then someone will have a play?.
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: Howlingwolf on October 21, 2013, 03:02:07 PM
Im interested in pulling the chip and getting a dump, can someone point me to the hardware and software needed please, I guess if I dump image then someone will have a play?.

The most charitable explanation is that the idiot who posted that 'suggestion' in the TBB forums was taking the pee. Sadly, that may not be the case and he genuinely believes it.

Back in the real world, pulling the chip is the very last resort when you really have no other alternative.

Fortunately in this case we have both the serial console and the jtag port.

I lost access to my spare modem Friday morning, so hopefully that's been updated. Now I'm just waiting for my usb ttl serial interface to arrive. A UK supplier, the previous one ordered from Shenzhen went astray somewhere. That should arrive in the next couple of days, so with a bit of luck I should have some news by the end of the week. Fingers crossed of course.

In the meantime, I flashed the openreach supplied modem with the new firmware sans BTAgent etc. That's now on test and looking pretty good so far.

Yes... I know... I did say I was going to keep that one untouched in case of problems but I've only been able to get my hands on one spare. There seems to have been quite a run on HG612s on a certain 'online market' recently  :-\
Title: Re: Can no longer access hacked HG612 via web interface, HG612 stats failed to also.
Post by: boe323 on October 21, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
Fantastic, deep down I was wondering why the chip needed to be pulled, I seen the same thing posted elsewhere also, got me to believe it was the only way :paperbag: