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Internet => General Internet => Topic started by: oldfogy on March 18, 2013, 01:50:02 PM
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I know this was discussed not long ago but I can neither find the thread or remember if there was any answer to the problem, I know at the time the problem for myself just seemed to go away and the problem stopped, but the last few days it's come back again, although typing this post so-far there has been no problem,,,, yet.
The problem is that when typing the courser may jump back into the middle of any of the previous text thus making it almost unreadable, so it almost means having to check every word on screen is where it should be and for a none tothat is not a uch typist
I was going to say, and for 'a none touch typist that is almost impossible', but you can see at the end of the last sentence what happened, actually it also happened again, so I now need to go back and recheck the whole of this post to find my missing letters.
Apart from Java Scrip update there has only been MS updates, so I can't think of anything else I may have done that has reactivated the problem.
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Does this behaviour occur whatever you're typing, or only in forums, or what?
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I don't do much typing nowadays except small notes using notepad and have not noticed it there so am going to say it only happens in forums.
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Seems to be related to an update according to this
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-hardware/windows-update-caused-typing-issues-jumping/3b935c1e-9c66-4236-93e8-b3356bfbb7c7
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>> Seems to be related to an update according to this
Thanks for finding that, now at least I know it's not just a localised happening.
Yes it seems that way, unfortunately I think I have already tried most if not all of the suggestions that were given over on that site, "but it just happened again" so there does not appear to be a once-and- for-all fix so nothing seems to work to resolve it, maybe and hopefully as with the last time it just seemed to go away on it's own because unfortunately I do not have a backup going back to 2009, but then again the laptop is only 2 years 2 months old. (Christmas present to myself December 2011)
Although I don't use the touch-pad and for most of the time it's actually turned of but I will try removing and reinstalling the driver to see if that might help just in case it's a driver conflict.
Three 4 times it's happened and that's just with this one post, so it probably took at least four times longer with having to keep going back to make corrections.
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Well just a update with my cursor/text jumping problem.
I was not been able to find any positive solutions and no updates of any sort solved the problem either, yes there are plenty of 'worked for me' and 'try this' suggestions but none of which actually stopped the problem, but, for the last few days the problem has once again gone away all on it's own.
I'm saying nothing I tried had any effect or residual effect because the last thing I did was to re-ghost (restored) my HDD even though the problem was still happening on the newly ghosted HDD, so nothing I had done could have had any effect.
So it seems if anyone else suffers from the dreaded jumping text/cursor problem, it seems to cure itself after a few days, so just persevere for a few days and hope for the best.
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I am glad that even if you didn't know the cause, at least the problem has righted itself :)
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Allegedly according to people from the link above the cause is down to a Microsoft update 'from 2008' but as this is not the first time it has happened in the last couple of years I'm not going to overly worry about it by doing a fresh install and then checking every update for the number/s that people were suggesting were the cause of the problem, and lets face it, there are that many updates that even by accident it could be possible to miss the suggested update so apart from a lot of effort and a fresh install it might not achieve anything.
Although I still have my doubts as to whether Java had any part in the problem, mainly because I remember Java updated just before the problem started again, but TBH I doubt if we will ever get to know the true cause or even what resolved the problem.
So that's about it and many thanks again for your help.
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Can I ask - what is your hardware set up? Are you using a wireless mouse and/or keyboard?
Regards BBN
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No wireless devices of any kind are being used.
It's a Asus K72F Laptop/Notebook with standard keyboard but with a USB Kensington mouse with the touchpad disabled.
Operating system is standard XP without any kind of modifications and internet connection is via RJ45 connection.
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I asked the question because I experienced similar problems using a wireless microsoft keyboard and mouse with my new HP AMD desktop running Windows 7. It got so bad I replaced the wireless devices with wired devices and that cured it.
But curiously, the wireless keyboard and mouse work just fine with my old Dell desktop running XP.
Could this link be relevant? Could the touchpad not be fully disabled?
http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/182611-sony-vaio-laptop-cursor-random-movement-workaround.html
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Thanks but that was also a similar solution that was also advised in Kitz's earlier link/post.
But like I said, I'm not going to keep now trying to cure something that has already cured itself, mainly because as it has stopped playing up and no matter what I do I wouldn't know if I was actually doing anything as I have now no problem to compare any attempts to.
But many thanks for the input and if/when it rears it's ugly head again then I will try it then.
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yes its a general
common
froblem it seems..my pc is only a few weeks old......as some of you knohisw i have slowley learnt how to use it thanks to peeps on here but thiled a curem is so frustrating
i nees prob
as you can see from above which i am not going to correct...i need a cure for this...i ha and yes i have tried all checking and unchecking of boxes...grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Hi Krysia
Can you confirm that its a PC and not a laptop that you have.
If its a PC, do you have a wireless keyboard?
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sorry , yes its a laptop but its used on a desk...connected to the mains,,battery out mouse usb connection
im typing this with one finger poised upright and watching every letter as it hits the screen ,so hopefully no mistakes !!! :D
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It may be the sensitivity of the touchpad. You should be able to adjust this.
http://www.enetcomputers.net/how/39-computers/howdoi/69-how-do-i-change-touchpad-sensitivity-on-my-laptop
Theres a few laptops that Ive set up for others that have been a bit so sensitive and easily caught when typing.
For one person I turned the touchpad off completely and got them one of these (http://www.dabs.com/products/logitech-m185-wireless-mouse-red-8YV7.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc%20product%20search&utm_content=Q200&utm_campaign=Computing%20-%20PC%20Peripherals%20-%20Keyboards%20and%20Mice&origin=pla). The usb dongle is very tiny and doesnt interfere with normal use of the laptop. Ive bought a couple of those now on behalf of people who have a new laptop.
If youve previously been used to a normal keyboard, it can be very easy to accidentally swipe the touchpad when typing. In the case of the above, he much preferred using a mouse to the touchpad anyhow.
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Agreed, the touchpad/mouse would be my first suspect.
A separate mouse (wired or wireless) is a huge improvement over touchpad but even then I've found them (mice) vulnerable to phantom clicks, or phantom scrolling, causing the cursor to 'jump around', among other symptoms.
Worst was a cheap Tesco USB mouse. When dismantled, it turned out the scroll wheel depended on a flimsy wiper making contact with dimples on a spinning disc; hardly surprising it only worked for a few days before developing a mind of its own. ???
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Worst was a cheap Tesco USB mouse. When dismantled, it turned out the scroll wheel depended on a flimsy wiper making contact with dimples on a spinning disc; hardly surprising it only worked for a few days before developing a mind of its own. ???
Ah yes. I had one of those. It worked for just over the hour and then the scroll-wheel collapsed. Needless to say it was taken back to the store (in disgrace) the very next day. The purchase price was refunded without any comment. Then I saw a big box of those mice that had already been returned . . . to which another one was then added! Not one of Tesco's finest products, me thinks! ::)
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thanks guys have already been into the mouse properties to alter boxes....no where it mentions touchpad to see to the sensativity or turn it off,,only mentions mouse properties /actions
its the same mouse i used with my last laptop..never used touchpad with that either..never had a problem
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On my N140 samsung netbook..........
You needed to hunt to find the sensitivity
Win Xp this was
Control panel
Mouse properties
Final end tab synaptics mouse driver properties
then of the endless list of various options involving swipe/drop edged zone on the pad I chose "advanced"
and somewhere in there finally was a setting for sensitivity
There was also a note there that humidity affected the sensitivity of the pad
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First of all, my original problem reared it's ugly head once more a couple of weeks ago but eventually "again" seemed to cure itself.
I did have to re-ghost my HDD because of suspected virus/malware problems so it's possible I re-introduced the cursor problem from a earlier time and maybe a MS update cured it. (I don't know)
But as before it has cured it self "again" and the cursor is as it should be.
My system with the problem is Windows XP, I believe Krysia's system is Windows 7, on a DELL Laptop, (I think there was mention of a dual Keyboard) but that might only have been the shop saying the keyboard can be configured in different languages.
But either way the only common factor is MS WINDOWS and as the problem has effected different versions, maybe try updating windows.
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Edit.
The touch-pad on my laptop is deactivated as I always use a normal USB mouse, when I had the problem I tried various combinations of mouse /keypad but at the time it made no difference, basically I can't see it being a sensitivity problem, because the cursor insertion point would jump to a different location even when typing.
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Ok, just another little update on the same problem which has happened another couple of times.
As before my touch-pad is disabled as I use a normal 2 button mouse with wheel.
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This time when the problem started I noticed the small circular icon on the desktop which normally appears when the mouse-wheel is pressed and is used for scrolling, but I had not pressed the mouse-wheel.
Another anomaly was the mouse pointer very slowly drifting across the screen even when not being touched or used, (which actually has been happening for a looong time.
So from within 'Device Manager' I DELETED the mouse then restarted the computer (I prefer to re-start and not just scan for changes) allowing the mouse to re-install with the default driver and settings (which is what I have always done) and the problem instantly went away.
So at least on this occasion which also actually makes sense, it appears to be a corrupt mouse driver that causes/caused the problem.
Lets just hope that is now the solution or hopefully the end of the problem, well lets face it, it has been a couple of years, but hopefully we now have a cure/solution.
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>>> mouse pointer slowly drifting across the screen.
Heh I've seen this happen in a few machines too.
As regard to drivers issue I strongly suspect there is something wrong with the latest Logitech keyboard/mouse drivers.
My pc has been poorly since I updated a bunch of drivers a couple of months ago. Unfortunately I did a load of them at the same time so I've yet been unable to isolate them all and a rollback didn't work. But one of the things that I have tracked down for sure is that the Logitech drivers software stops my pc from being able to automatically open files with their associated program's.
Ie click on a .jpg file and my graphic editing software won't open and the system hangs. Click a spreadsheet and the pc slows right down using all resources but the spreadsheet won't open. Yet all the program's will open fine from their exe files.
This is definitely Logitech related because if I remove all the Logitech software there's no problems with any files. I've repeated the install uninstall many times to know it is that. Unfortunately I've not yet found an old version to put back on, so any of the advanced mouse/keyboard functions no longer work.
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Kttz, don't know if this is exactly what you want but this is the latest version of Logitech SetPoint. Older versions are available from the same page :=
http://www.filehippo.com/download_logitech_setpoint/tech/
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I'm pretty sure mine is not a Logitech problem as it's a 'KensingtonPocket Pro' but I have had the same problem again this/last week and again removed the mouse, re-booted and things seem to be working as they should'
I suppose one blessing is it only seems to happen when typing on the internet, but as I have since discovered using windows write to pre-type any documents also has a drawback in as far as when copied and pasted each line then has a space between each line which then has to be removed................................ damn, just loomped into thIit e ked up and my typing had ju
YES, it's still doing it, so there just does not seem to be a solution, although I did remove/unplug the mouse yesterday and the problem never happened, so I just don't know how to so, just unplugged my mouse NOW and am waiting to see if it still happens, obviously ""yes still happening"" so I'm giving up for now.
Maybe I'll start using my Windows7 drive instead of XP and see if that helps.
Will let you know.
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Kttz, don't know if this is exactly what you want but this is the latest version of Logitech SetPoint. Older versions are available from the same page :=
http://www.filehippo.com/download_logitech_setpoint/tech/
Thank you JGO. It was 6.61.15 that I installed which broke everything.
The links on that page to the old versions are just what I need.
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Hope you don't mind me using this as a test post, but I am now using my Win7 OS on my dual boot system and although not much has been typed so far it seems to be ok, but one problem is sometimes it goes like that for days or even weeks then all of a sudden plays up.
But again at the moment nothing seems to be going wrong, but I suppose that's sods law.
Usually if it's going to play up it's usually started by now, so again it seems to confirm my original thought of it being driver problem on my XP system.
At least now possibly instead of thinking about all the bad things I could do to the PC like throwing it through the window, or then again maybe a format and clean install before MS cut off the updates (April I think) might be the way forward.
So please forgive my ranting but I have no other way of testing.
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Just a update on this problem.
For a good while I haven't been suffering with the problem.
But I think I may of discovered what was causing the problem.
For a long time I have had my 'Belkin Bluetooth Widcomm' software disabled in the startup and have not had any problems, however since re-enabling it a couple of days ago the problem returned, I did disable it again and again the problem came back, so the culprit seems to be the Belkin software.
Hope this may be helpful to anyone still suffering the same problem.
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EDIT:
Probably the reason the problem was not effecting me in my Win7 drive as per post above, may be because I'm pretty sure the Belkin software is not installed on that drive.
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Glad you found out what it was. Thank you for letting us know :)
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No problem.
It now also starts to make even more sense, because now I can track back and as my original post sort of refers to the fact it started not long after buying this laptop which did not have bluetooth capabilities so I bought a USB bluetooth device, and the other reason why the problem never happened all of the time would be because either the USB device was unplugged or the software disabled, which then obviously made it harder to track down without realising it only happened after the Belkin software was enabled and with using Ghost backups quite frequently it was obviously being activated at times without realising it, hence not being able to pin-point the rogue driver/software.
Prior to buying this laptop I never had the problem, but also had never bothered with bluetooth either.
Obviously I don't expect this is the same cause for everyone with this problem, but at least it might be a starting point to tracking down the culprit responsible,
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Sorry for the back-to-back post but am unable to edit my last post due to time limitations.
However, just another update on this problem.
Earlier this evening I enabled the 'Touchpad' on this laptop which is also the machine I have had the cursor problem with, I usually use a usb mouse and therefore disable the touchpad, but because of what seemed to be another hopefully one-off problem I enabled the touchpad and the original problem of the jumping cursor restarted and again as soon as I have now disabled it the problem has disappeared.
So one more possible solution to the original problem, although with what I assume will be a different driver.