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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: NewtronStar on September 06, 2012, 10:23:12 PM
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I was checking to-day to see if I could Byepass the HH3 and connect my PC direct to the HG612 by lan to port 1 of the HG612 !
It will not connect to Internet ? My HG612 homepage is 192.168.1.1 & the Router is 192.168.1.254
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Did you setup the PPPoE settings on the HG612 and change it from bridged to routing mode?
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No I thought the HG612 would automatically connect direct to PC without me have to make changes inside the HG612.
I see talktalk users doing this for testing purposes and they don't need to make any ajustments to the HG612 as theres are locked.
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Is this the setting
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The only way you can connect directly to the router in locked mode is if you make a PPPoE connection on your PC, at least for BT anyway, I don't know if the same concept of PPPoE authentication applies to other ISP's such as TalkTalk. The connection you're interested in is ptm1.101 by the way. The connection for ptm1.301 is TR-069, in other words BT's backdoor to modifying your router configuration or updating the firmware. Hope this clarifies.
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Its ok Ixel I have BT as my ISP and it is a unlocked Modem, I was looking at the Talktalk forum and they can connect directly to the HG612 for testing purpose's
I did try the setting in ptm1.101 and change it to route with PPPoE but still cant connect directly to the HG612 :(
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Here's a Plusnet guide, but the principle should be the same for other ISPs:-
http://community.plus.net/library/broadband/fibre-help-setting-up-a-pppoe-dialler-for-windows-xp/
or
http://community.plus.net/library/broadband/fibre-help-how-to-set-up-a-pppoe-dialler-in-vistawindows-7/
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For a BT Infinity service, the user credentials required to login in to the service are those as stored in the BT HH --
Username bthomehub@btbroadband.com
Password XXXXXXXX
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Cheers BE1 & BC
I though it would be straight forward :( like sticking the lan straight to hg612 ! but I can see now
with your links & advice what needs to be done.
So the HH3 is doing all the authentication stuff for me , would that meen the hg612 for TT ISP are pre conifgured ?
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Talktalk has network level authentication - basically it works out who you are by what line you're connected to - so no usernames and passwords are required at all now.
The modems used for a Talktalk fibre install are exactly the same as those for a BT Infinity install - no setup differences at all.
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If you have a FFTC Broadband service, it is identical for every ISP / CP who ultimately provides it. They are just reselling Openreach's NGA GEA service and the link to / from you from / to the cabinet is VDSL2, using the metallic pair.
The modem installed for a FTTC service is either the Huawei HG612 or the ECI B-FOCuS and they both are configured identically. They operate in pure bridge mode, just translating the physical presence of the signal from VDSL2 to Ethernet. Hence all service authentication is performed by the ISP / CP provided router. If the EU does not want (or need) to use the provided router, one system can be connected directly to the modem. That system will have to provide the service authentication details (normally provided by the router) and, most importantly, will need to have a reliable firewall (which would have been provided by the router).
If, like Asbokid and myself, you do not have a FTTC Broadband service but have either an ADSL2+, ADSL2 or G.Dmt service and have purchased a Huawei HG612 to use as a Broadcom based modem / router, then the (unfinished) documentation within the Kitz wiki on the Huawei EchoLife HG612 Home Gateway (http://wiki.kitz.co.uk/index.php?title=Huawei_HG612) should be consulted. (b*cat acknowledges that he must finish that article . . . :blush: )
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Thanks Biohead
Its still does not clear up why TT customers can gain access to FTTC router directly and why BT customers need to make changes to gain access to directly connect to Modem ?
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Consider the modem to simply be a "converter-box". (In bridge mode, that is essentially all it does.)
For TalkTalk customers, the service authentication is based on the CLI that the equipment can read. For BT Infinity customers, the service authentication is based on a login / password mechanism and those strings are stored in the router.
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Many thanks burakkucat
I do appreciate your post very helpfull indeed ! good stuff :)
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Consider the modem to simply be a "converter-box". (In bridge mode, that is essentially all it does.)
For TalkTalk customers, the service authentication is based on the CLI that the equipment can read. For BT Infinity customers, the service authentication is based on a login / password mechanism and those strings are stored in the router.
The strings stored in the HH3 will it be the same User Name & Password I used to disable BT Fone on the HH3.0A ?
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For a BT Infinity service, the user credentials required to login in to the service are those as stored in the BT HH --
Username bthomehub@btbroadband.com
Password XXXXXXXX
There's the standard residential login details above ^, unless you're a BT Business account, like myself.
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The strings stored in the HH3 will it be the same User Name & Password I used to disable BT Fone on the HH3.0A ?
In all honesty, I don't know. ??? Probably not. :-\ Please see my earlier posting and Ixel's response to it, above.
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It says password not configured on the HH3.0 ?
I am such a Newbie :baby:
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It says password not configured on the HH3.0 ?
I am such a Newbie :baby:
The residential password can be anything really, a space character, a word, a letter. So long as the username is right and there's something in the password field then it should work.
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Just a quick comment. Ensure that you are not confusing the password required to gain access to the BT HH3.0A via its 192.168.1.254 IP address (which, by default, is on the pull-out tab) and the password that may -- or may not -- be set for the Broadband service authentication.
I have checked with my neighbour, who has a BT Infinity Broadband service and the credentials stored in his BT HH3.0A are exactly as I showed earlier. He has never needed to change them in the HH, the default settings just worked.
When I visited with my laptop computer and connected it directly to the LAN1 port of his Hauwei HG612, I just needed to configure my laptop to establish a PPPoE connection with a username of bthomehub@btbroadband.com and a password of XXXXXXXX.
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Thanks
the username for BT as standard I understand but surly you need a password given to you from BT by some form IE a letter from BT with you password
I don't get it yes the HH has the standard username but the residential password can be anything as Ixel has posted (I just type Random characters into password and it will work ;) so how does the HH3 authenticate if the password be anything seems odd
My old TT ISP gave me a Username and a Password via a letter that I could type into the Modem settings !
No BC I am 100% sure I am not confusinging the routers Gateway Username & password as to access to the Internet using a ISP username & Password :)
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No BC I am 100% sure I am not confusinging the routers Gateway Username & password as to access to the Internet using a ISP username & Password :)
Good. :) I just wanted to make sure.
I can see what you are asking but I'm not too sure how to answer your query. Let me try something like this --
You rent the metallic path that exists from the NTP (the NTE5/A, in most cases) to the DSLAM (in the FTTC) from Openreach. That pair is exclusive to you. Unless someone goes down a hole or up a pole and undoes a joint and connects their equipment to your line, the only person using that VDSL2 link is yourself. So why does there need to be a login/password duality to authenticate the user of the service using that metallic pair?
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Exactly. The only reason they have unique logins (business users as opposed to residential users) is because of things such as elevated traffic priority (if such a thing really exists, or whether it's just market type tactics). Only those who have been physically connected to the DSLAM with their assigned port enabled can use the service anyway. I suspect BT would scrap the need to login if it wasn't for the fact of business users being given a unique login.
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My old TT ISP gave me a Username and a Password via a letter that I could type into the Modem settings !
Ironically, those with a proper (unbundled) TalkTalk LLU account, can enter "N E FINK" for both the PAP/CHAP username and password (remember the spaces though). Half joking there! TalkTalk LLU does genuinely work without end-user authentication. Both PAP/CHAP authentication at the PPP layer is disabled as is authentication by DHCP.
TalkTalk, since it owns and manages its own DSLAMs, must keep subscriber line records. These records will reference the subscriber pair that terminate on each port of a linecard. Therefore authentication is in hardware. So no username/password needs to be entered when configuring a modem for TalkTalk LLU. It also means that modems "locked" to BT will still work with TalkTalk LLU ;) Oops! Not sure if that is by TalkTalk's design or not!
It is confusing, NewtronStar. Since BT(infinity) does not, for FTTC, require authentication at the PPP layer, it raises a question:
How do other FTTC providers who use the same Openreach mini-DSLAMs authenticate their users? Dunno about the ECI MSAN but with the Huawei (MA5616) MSAN, authentication can be performed in two ways. Either by the MSAN itself, or by a remote authentication server, run by the ISP.
cheers, a
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. . . "N E FINK" . . .
Well, I've just learnt something new. I thought the correct spelling was "N E PHINC"! :angel:
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Thanks all BC ,Ixel & asbokid
Fanstastic Info & insight into the workings of authentication !
I am gonna try the put all this info to could use ;) and connect directly to HG612
the last time I did this I made changes to HG612 settings and had to reset the modem
:-[ cause I did not write down the original settings first, which then caused a lower sync
(Never re-sync Hg612 after 5pm)
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No problem :). I'll be getting a Fritzbox 7390 tomorrow :P, can't wait to try it out and see if I can increase my SNRM target to reduce CRC errors. Annoyingly my SNR this morning (about 8:45am and then again at around 9:15am) has had a sudden dive again (from 6.4dB~ to around 4dB, and upload from 9.5dB to 6.1dB :(). I expect an engineer has disturbed my line in the PCP again.
One thing I like about TBB and this forum, everyone is friendly :thumbs:. I just had a bad encounter with a member on the BT Infinity forum recently, won't be going there again. Mind you, his (no name given) replies to any thread I've opened have never been helpful, including to others. I think he just enjoys upsetting people or creating unnecessary arguments :P.
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Ixel ;) I completely agree with you in regards to BT Forums they are more sarcastic than helpfull.
Thats why I come here for Help 8)
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Just purrfect. :friends:
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Just purrfect. :friends:
BC how can I stop my cats from bringing me live birds into the House in the wee small hours >:(
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Say "Naughty cat!" in you best firm but loving voice. ::)
Then explain that birds are to be looked at and watched but now caught. :no:
Finally explain that you would appreciate if hunting trophies are not brought indoors -- be they alive or dead. :angel: