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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: renluop on June 29, 2012, 02:12:36 PM
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Fibre cabs around my way have been active for a while now. This week I noticed that they now bear ads for Infinity.
I wonder if the take-up has been less than hoped.
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Depends if your local exchange is LLU'd some people my be happy with ADSL2 as for me I had no choice but to go Infinity as old my exchange is 100% BT wholesale and never was going to be LLU'd, So from 6Mbps to 27Mbps is a big Jump for me.
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Well if fibre ever comes here currently I would not be buying it.
I get around 11.5Mbps on BT's ADSL2+ wholesale service via Plusnet.
Quite why I, as sole occupant, would want any more currently escapes me.
Most websites apart from the speedtester ones and the MS updates servers seem incapable of supplying data at 11.5Mbps anyway....so what I would do do with 80Mbps I really don't know (100 yards from PCP cabinet)
Plusnet charge the same for ADSLmax and ADSL2+, but have a steep monthly premium for an unthrottled (pro addon) fibre service over their standard ADSL rates.
So I'd not be interested even if it was available.
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You may not need the Speed yet C6em , but the way people are using the net that 11Mbps you have in 2 years time it will be like dialup days it's just they way it going, I guess the Guy who invented the Internet never would have forseen a download rate of 1Mbps never mind 100Mbps
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These are our options for LLU
AOL LLU
Bulldog LLU
TalkTalk (CPW) LLU
Sky Broadband / Easynet LLU
Tiscali LLU
But how many are only BTw resellers, or one would want as the ISP?
As to my patch, I would guess it is folk with kids and a mortgage, and pensioners in the main, so likely their funds are spoken for. Would the older group really want the speed?
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I dont know if I'd take up FTTC. Id probably want it because I like geeky things... but it would depend on whether I value the additional speed and the cost would be worth it. I currently already get about 20Mbps down and 2.6 up which more than meets my needs for what I do.
Now that theres only me... (and not the probability of 2 PCs & 2 lappies simultaneously accessing the interwebs like there used to be), then 20Mbps does me fine.
A huge amount of my bandwidth is from streaming to the ATV, since Im on an unlimited package I just dont bother about it, and have no way of monitoring how much the ATV eats... but I bet its a lot though, as I seldom watch TV in real time preferring to stream when I want. My streaming habit and monthly bandwidth would probably be more of a concern that throughput speed.
It also depends which cab Im connected to (could be 1 of 2) or even the exchange itself (no idea - did anyone get a list for all exchanges and not just the Dec CSV?), I can look out of the window and see the exchange.. and the nearest cab is a bit further away... Im unsure just how much speed improvement I really would get.
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Well Kitz all I can offer is a link to BT wholesale input your telephone number and read what is available to you this will tell you ADSL details and if Fibre is available to you with a estimated max speed.
http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/adslchecker.welcome
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Thanks Newtron, but unfortunately it doesnt even tell me date or any more than this (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/adslchecker.php) :(
Despite me knowing its scheduled as 9b (either Dec '12 or 2013 depending on which source you read) :/
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How where you able to get a WebSite to tell you when the Fibre is going to go live and with details of the type of as I have found out That BT and Most ISP are not able to give reliable dates when fibre is live or not ?
Ok its who you know not what you know ;D
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NewtronStar makes the very valid point that one might not want/need it now but in a few years................
Trouble is, it becomes a race for ever more complex web pages.
When we all on dial up pages were simple.
Now that speeds have improved in general - the web designers merely add in more complexity and we are back where started from in terms of page speed.
I'll find that once fibre becomes generally available 100% in the UK and the pages have become yet even more complex, then I'll have to get it anyway as my connection will have become so slow that trying to load a 10Mb whatever or worse web page in will have become impossible.
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Thats it C6em in my early days Bulletin Boards it was Text only 1986 - 1992 at 2kbps took a minute or so to load a page but it worked and downloading 64K took 32 minutes ;D
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>> Ok its who you know not what you know
The info is in the public domain from BT Openreach - they released the info as being in the next batch to go to FTTC. Same list is up on other ISP sites such as zen (http://www.zen.co.uk/business/broadband/fibre-broadband/bt-exchanges-scheduled-to-be-fttc-enabled.aspx).
Its just not up on that BTw checker yet and they probably wont do until they have a definite date, rather than the more vague "Dec 2012 or 2013" :(
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Wish I had seen this site Months ago cheers Kitz
This site also gives BT Maintenance possible outages times & dates
http://status.zen.co.uk/broadband/
Good stuff.
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Fibre cabs around my way have been active for a while now. This week I noticed that they now bear ads for Infinity.
I wonder if the take-up has been less than hoped.
Just a quıck response, as sat ın 40 degree temps., sıppıng a cold beer as I type. ;) I haven,t got the fıgures to hand, but our ınternal communıcatıon systems (of whıch we get way tooooo many), stıpulated a few months ago that take-up of Infınıty/2 was a lot better than expected and that they had reached 'x' mıllıon connectıons ahead of predıctıons.
What I fınd as I go round fıttıng FTTC, ıs that the EU wıll only have found out about ıts avaılabılıty from a neıghbour/frıend. Whether the powers that be have been made aware of thıs and decıded to 'up' the advertısıng campaıgn, I can only guess. What I can tell you wıth no uncertaınty, ıs our CEO (Lıv) ıs pushıng FFTC/FTTP as 'our' flagshıp product and thıs ıs where most of the companıes efforts are beıng streamed (pardon the pun).
As a few have mooted, and as I have saıd on numerous occasıons, ıt really comes down to personal benefıt as to whether Infınıty ıs for you or not. I can tell you ın rural areas the take up ıs faırly rapıd for obvıous reasons. Urban spots near to the Exchange are somewhat slower.
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I can anecdotally say that, where I live, following all the activity installing the Fibre cabinets (which still continues) I also see plenty of Openreach vans and engineers sitting on stools in front of the fibre cabs, I assume adding another customer. The cab will be closed up again later on, but within a few days, I'll see another engineer working there, so I assume it's adding customers and not simply installing/commissioning the cab.
Plenty of activity = plenty of customers, I assume!
Ian
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Plenty of activity = plenty of customers, I assume!
Might there not be other explanations? :-\ :D
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The Sore Knee's Syndrome, wish they could give these guys a padded mat like gardners use ;)
Can a Lift and shift be done at the Cab ?
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. . . see plenty of Openreach vans and engineers sitting on stools in front of the fibre cabs, I assume adding another customer. The cab will be closed up again later on, but within a few days, I'll see another engineer working there, so I assume it's adding customers . . .
Next time you witness such an event, please take a close look. It should be within the existing PCP that the engineer is working to connect another customer and not the FTTC. (The latter would normally be installed, commissioned and then left alone.)
I'm sure that either Black Sheep or openreach dude will confirm that only specialist engineers are allowed to access the FTTC internals.
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The Sore Knee's Syndrome, wish they could give these guys a padded mat like gardners use ;)
Some engineers come equipped. See the two pictures, provided by Walter, below. The first is of PCP19 and the second of its twin FTTC, at commissioning time. Note the kneeling pads at the front of each. (Those "in the know" will correctly identify the location as Ewhurst, Surrey, which is served from the Cranleigh exchange.)
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I think you maybe right BCAT because I never see the Large Green Cabinet open (FIBRE) only the smaller green one's I see BTOR guys patching stuff.
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Every day I pass a cabinet that's had a 2nd fibre cabinet installed immediately next to it, and yes, thinking about it, it's the telephone cabinet that's often got an engineer sitting there wiring something up, not the fibre cabinet.
One a few miles away had a BT striped tent over it for around a month, until the other day!
Ian
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One a few miles away had a BT striped tent over it for around a month, until the other day!
Ah, that will be the one from which the engineering staff obtained their essential provisions -- tea, coffee, biscuits, bacon rolls, etc. ;)
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The Large Green one were Fibre ends its life then go's onto Copper or Aluminuium. Is the DLM in the Exchange or in the Fibre cabinet ?
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. . . Is the DLM in the Exchange or in the Fibre cabinet ?
If you are subscribed to a GEA FTTC service, then the DLM software executes on the DSLAM that is located within the fibre cabinet. If you are subscribed to any other broadband service, then the DLM executes on the DSLAM or MSAN that is located within the exchange building. :)
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Something I did for maxdsl, but the DLM process (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/maxdsl2.htm) is basically the same.
See bottom page for a description.
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kitz.co.uk%2Fadsl%2Fimages%2Fmaxdsl.gif&hash=f6bd872d6f19c3e6a564bf999077a9b872d22a78)
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Thanks, Kitz. That is useful to see.
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. . . see plenty of Openreach vans and engineers sitting on stools in front of the fibre cabs, I assume adding another customer. The cab will be closed up again later on, but within a few days, I'll see another engineer working there, so I assume it's adding customers . . .
Next time you witness such an event, please take a close look. It should be within the existing PCP that the engineer is working to connect another customer and not the FTTC. (The latter would normally be installed, commissioned and then left alone.)
I'm sure that either Black Sheep or openreach dude will confirm that only specialist engineers are allowed to access the FTTC internals.
All Openreach work, (once the Fibre Cab has been commissioned) is only carried out in the original Cabinet, as B*Cat states. If we have a power fail, or a faulty card in the FTTC, BT Operate engineers will attend to it. :)
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One a few miles away had a BT striped tent over it for around a month, until the other day!
Ah, that will be the one from which the engineering staff obtained their essential provisions -- tea, coffee, biscuits, bacon rolls, etc. ;)
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F8625569%2Fimg%2Fburakkucat%2Fopenreach-pub.png&hash=e2d022dd7f82c75afde742a56ab10fcfd8ee3985) (http://picturepush.com/public/8625569)
cheers, a
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:lol: :lol:
shhhh thats supposed kept under wraps
BS wont be happy with you for letting out secrets of the trade :drink:
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Ha ha .... :lol: :lol:
Before H&S took over the world, there may have been a gas-ring on the go in the tent ? There may have been a bit of bacon and egg sizzling away, whilst also keeping the chill out of the tent.
Fast forward to today, and sorry to burst the bubble, but the chances are the lads are grafting their nads off under that tent. Unrealistic targets dictate we aren't allowed to eat and drink. Having time to breath is luxury.
Am I wandering into a Monty Python sketch here ?? :)
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Have you got time to prevent water ingress from personal sources? :silly:
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Unfotunately not. But, due to lack of available 'Hydration time', the water ingress is quite acidic, and acts as a 'Back up battery' in case of circuit failure. ;)