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Chat => Chit Chat => Topic started by: Black Sheep on April 25, 2012, 09:45:48 AM
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Check out 'Rip Off Britain' tonight folks.
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BBC1 Wed, 25 Apr 19:30
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Asking why people living in areas with only slow broadband speeds should have to pay the same price as everyone else for a service they are not getting, and meet the villagers so fed up with being unable to get online, they took matters in to their own hands. Plus, the student hit with a £1,500 bill after his phone was stolen, even though he could prove he had not made the calls.
Could be interesting.
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I shan't be watching it as I'm going out for dinner. Even so' I'm a little sceptical of the BBC's impartiality these days, they often seem more influenced by 'what will make the best headline', rather than what is the most factual report.
Plus, the student hit with a £1,500 bill after his phone was stolen, even though he could prove he had not made the calls.
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... case in point. I have always had PAYG phones simply because the small print in T&C for contract phones always seems to imply unlimited liability, which I find unacceptable. I hope the BBC will publish the fact (if it is the case) that said student could have opted for PAYG to avoid the liability?
But despite my BBC-sceptisicism, I shouldn't prejudge. I may even hit 'record' and watch it later. :-[
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Methinks the BBC schedulers have had a rethink ?? It's now showing as a Panorama Special about 'Madelaine'.
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Methinks the BBC schedulers have had a rethink ?? It's now showing as a Panorama Special about 'Madelaine'.
lol so they have...
It was still showing as scheduled at 1pm this afternoon, which is when I looked at the TV guide, so its obviously changed in the past couple of hours.
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"Rescheduled for Mon 30 Apr 2012 20:30 BBC One except Wales"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01gyl2k
cheers, a
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Looks like its re-scheduled for Monday
Episode 7 of 8, Series 3
Duration: 30 minutes
Angela Rippon, Gloria Hunniford and Julia Somerville battle on behalf of viewers who feel they've been ripped off or had a raw deal - and try to get their problems resolved.
In this episode, they ask why people living in areas with only slow broadband speeds should have to pay the same price as everyone else for a service they are not getting, and meet the villagers so fed up with being unable to get online, they took matters in to their own hands.
Next Monday 20:30 BBC One except Wales
>>> except Wales
Oh well thats me out then to be able to watch it live.
I can only get very crappy BBC TV from Wales.... making a lot of programs unwatchable since we went digital. Its a problem known to this area. All news etc comes from Cardiff!
Hence me using iplayer & the APTV so much now.
PS asbokid typed faster than me - posts crossed.
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??? Have you moved Kitz ??? I always thought you resided on the west coast in Lancashire ?? ???
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I can only get very crappy BBC TV from Wales....
I don't think it's on BBC Wales today anyway, it's just that they have a different evening schedule. ;)
I can watch Wales on FreeSat if necessary. Occasionally watch Rugby there.
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I always thought you resided on the west coast in Lancashire ??
I do ???
I can watch Wales on FreeSat if necessary. Occasionally watch Rugby there.
I can only pick up from Wales... and its dreadful (signal). Most evenings the picture is blocky or totally breaks up. Our 'local' transmitter is supposed to be Winter Hill. Unfortunately its a known problem (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1236726/Freeview-changeover-leaves-English-viewers-watching-Welsh-language-channels.html) where I live.
Homes have also been affected across the Granada TV area in places such as Cheshire, Greater Manchester and Merseyside.
Eric Southworth from Fleetwood in Lancashire, told the BBC: 'I have been getting BBC Wales, ITV Wales and Channel 4 Wales (S4C). I don't speak Welsh.'
Others have complained that since digital switchover took place in the region last month that they have been constantly losing BBC channels.
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I spent 2 days messing and manually retuning all the TV's and boxes last year.. but it all goes out the window a few weeks later if theres any updates, so now I cba as Im wasting my time. Ive already wasted £100 getting a new arial installed, which did nada.
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I must be looking at this all wrong then ?. Your post states that the programme will be shown, 'Next Monday 20:30 BBC One except Wales'. I took this to mean that it will be shown this coming Monday, and that Wales BBC 1 won't be showing it ??
You then mention you will miss out as you can only get crappy Wales TC pictures etc, which had me puzzling as to why you mention it, as it's not going to be shown on Wales BBC 1 ?? If this makes sense ?? ;D
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Or do you mean the programme has been re-scheduled for all area, but that Wales are still showing it tonight ???
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I spent 2 days messing and manually retuning last year..
We're in a marginal area between multiple transmitters with hugely different changeover dates.
The main one is Crystal Palace which was almost last and has just switched.
After an aerial upgrade some considerable time ago now (the old one was pretty tatty anyway) which just made things worse by picking up more marginal signals I decided to go for FreeSat when it appeared and had "stabilised".
Did the same (as I've said before) for my in-laws too, as they are in another marginal location.
It's worked brilliantly. :graduate: (trying not to sound smug)
I still retune our Freeview TV's and boxes but the mish-mash of stations, many appearing 3 or 4 times, is just ridiculous.
The whole system is not thought through properly, though I gather you can now buy tuners where you can specify your "region" and cut out all the carp... :angel:
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When I looked @ 1pm I used tvguide... which just simply gave me tonights time.
When I looked @ 6.35pm I got the info from here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01gyl2k) which is where they stated the except Wales. Up until that point I'd not seen anything different about wales, hence my comment only at that point.
Doesnt look like wales will be showing it nor does it give info if/when they will be.
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>> After an aerial upgrade some considerable time ago now (the old one was pretty tatty anyway) which just made things worse by picking up more marginal signals
I think thats what happened. The new aerial just made things worse... but since I cant get up there Im snookered with it now.
>>> FreeSat when it appeared and had "stabilised".
I think thats what I may have to do. Skys done a roaring trade around here since the region went digital.. because digital just caused complete chaos.
>>> I gather you can now buy tuners where you can specify your "region" and cut out all the carp.
hmmmmmm now that may be worth looking into!
I dont really watch much TV (didnt)... but I now have APTV and use iplayer via the ipod/ipad. The vast majority of my TV is via my adsl connection.
Although saying that I can get the likes of Jeremy Kyle repeats & QVC on TV just fine :-X
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Although saying that I can get the likes of Jeremy Kyle repeats & QVC on TV just fine :-X
Wait till you get FreeSat and put the box into "non-FreeSat" mode where it picks up ALL (1000 or so) Free-to-air stations on that satellite group. >:D
There are a lot of "very" strange channels out there. :lol:
(though not as many as you can get in the Middle East :police: )
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Gee thanks! More channels YAY!
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Seriously though it is annoying that I can pick up the garbage channels just fine... not the BBC and ITV though.
Welcome to digital switchover with 100's of new channels.. minus the 4 you watch the most.
/sarcasm
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Gee thanks! More channels YAY!
Seriously though it is annoying that I can pick up the garbage channels just fine... not the BBC and ITV though.
Welcome to digital switchover with 100's of new channels.. minus the 4 you watch the most.
/sarcasm
It's been said before, but the money spent on the terrestrial TV digital switchover (upwards of £300m) would have been better allocated to speeding up the roll-out of FTTC/FTTP. IPTV over fibre is the way to go, offering streaming video-on-demand, etc..
Terrestrial broadcast TV is so yesteryear, and that £300m bill only accounts for the cost to HMG.
To date, we've probably spent £500 trying to get decent Freeview reception, and we're still striving! ITV1 on Freeview is unwatchable tonight because of the heavy rain. *sigh!*
cheers, a
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Seems that the aerial pattern can be part of some problems.
http://www.aerialsandtv.com/aerials.html
http://www.aerialsandtv.com/polardiagrams.html
are good reading, even if a lot is too techhy for the likes of this mortal,
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Kitz
I may have pointed you at this site before for help with Freeview but do have a look.
http://www.paras.org.uk/ The two leading lights Mark Carver and Bill wright are very knowledgeable. Bill runs his own aerial business but not sure about Mark. Both post regularly on uk.tech.digital-tv. Pretty sure Bill is in Yorkshire as many of his posts refer to Emley Moor. As a retired old TV Transmitter engineer I'm disappointed you are getting such a poor service and although I'm reluctant to recommend it a change to Freesat would be the solution if the paras site can't help. I'm sure it would be possible to get the five main free channels OK but it might mean fitting channel stop filters which means more expense.
Tony
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Thanks vm for the link tony
My problem is the moel y parc transmitter which wrapped up their signal strength. Although winter hill is probably only about 45 mins drive away and moel parc is 3.5 hrs... the latter has a good clear bird flies line of sight over the sea. I can see Wales from the beach.. Can't see winterhill.
I saw a regional map on one of the digital tv sites showing region coverage.. There was a slight area where winterhill wasn't green... Unfortunately right over the part of town I live... Yet moel yparc was a lovely bright green :(
I've spent so much time on trying to find a solution over the years... And although I found a part solution here (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,5738.msg137347.html#msg137347) it takes hours, I still can't get all chans, the EPG never ties up... And the channel numbers keep changing.
I got an attenuator to try but that didn't work either.
I got so sick of it all and all the wasted time that I just basically gave up on tv... Hence me now being so thrilled at what the ATV and iplayer now offers me. All my neighbours now have sky due to the total signal mess here.
Out of interest I just did a full rescan (new setup scan) on the upstairs tv.. And now everything's gone welsh and it's worse than before... And even parts of the EPG is in welsh. But I'm hoping that may be due to the ungodly hour.
Looks like I'm going to have to do a full manual tune when I get chance
Won't be now.. I'm grumpy as heck due to hardly any sleep over the past 2 mites.. I went to bed early cause I was sooooo tired.. Only for zigs to wake me tonight at 2.30 doing his call for zac... I'm almost tempted to carry out asbokids suggestion to kick him outside..... Note almost.. :o. I have to be up early tomorrow.. and a total of about 10 hrs kip over 4 days doesn't make kitz a happy bunny. >:(
Channel stop filters may be something to look at though?
Anyhow zigs has now finally shut up and curled up again... So I'm gonna try get my head down whilst I can....and at this look again tomorrow
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Any typos and stupid caps come from auto correct.. :-X
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I bought a new TV a while back and although I have clear line of site to my tranmiter could I get it to tune into it on auto it kept going to Wales.
So I phoned the help line that was in the manual of the TV and they sorted it out in a few minutes, I had to manually select the transmiter number from a drop down list in the TV menu. Auto search never worked even after I had tried it many times.
Maybe Kitz that is your issue/problem.
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I had to manually select the transmiter number from a drop down list in the TV menu.
That's what I referred to, it's not (yet?) a common feature.
Kitz, given what you describe I really would (sorry for banging on about it) give up and go for FreeSat. :graduate:
Check it out: http://www.freesat.co.uk/
We bought a pretty standard setup including a HD hard-disc recorder, dual-LNB dish, installation etc. via John Lewis.
I then paid the installer a small amount to upgrade to a Quad LNB and run a dual feed to a 2nd room.
A cheap secondhand HD tuner box enabled that for my son and his own big TV (he has since moved out).
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I can only pick up from Wales... and its dreadful (signal). Most evenings the picture is blocky or totally breaks up. Our 'local' transmitter is supposed to be Winter Hill.
If the new aerial made thing worse, it may have been due to the type of aerial fitted. It was probably a wideband one.
You require a specific aerial such as the Yagi 18CD and pointing at the Winter Hill transmitter.
http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#Yagi18CD
Just something to bear in mind. May or maybe not relevant in your case depending on other factors.
exo
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So I phoned the help line that was in the manual of the TV and they sorted it out in a few minutes, I had to manually select the transmiter number from a drop down list in the TV menu. Auto search never worked even after I had tried it many times.
Indeed, that is a feature that the set-makers ought to be providing, though none of mine do. I can't resist adding however that good old mythtv does allow a similar feature, or at least you can edit the list of multiplexes so that it only scans the ones you want.
But short of buying new TVs, switching everything to mythtv, or learning to speak welsh, I'm inclined to think HPs Freesat suggestion may be worth considering. Or just stick with internet services if that gives you what you want.
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Or just stick with internet services if that gives you what you want.
That reminds me, I've got a couple of invites for uknova.com (http://www.uknova.com) and thebox.bz (http://www.thebox.bz) (TV torrent sites) for anyone interested..
cheers, a
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Thanks for everyones input. I didnt get chance to reply yesterday.
Re the aeriel, Im unsure what it is, although it does look like one of the Yagi ones. I used to have a loft ariel which wasnt too great and very basic (looked more like the DM Log model).
In preparation for digital I got a local contractor to install a proper aeriel on the roof and they also installed some sort of splitter/booster box which currently resides in the roof space and I see its blue light everytime I venture up into the loft.
When they installed they used some sort of signal detector thingy (on a box strapped overshoulder/to his hip) to locate the direction to point ariel for best signal.
Its a while ago now so I may be wrong, but from digging I did last time, more likely that it all went to pot because apparently Moel-y-parc wapped up its power. I also tried contacting the manufacturer of my lounge TV, but they were as useless as a chocolate tea-pot.
Re Freestat.. Im going to need a dish looking at the prices and installation that aint too cheap either. It may work out more economical to go with Sky when they have a good offer that comes up with free/cheap install. Use sky for a year, cancel and then use the sky dish for freesat.
I guess I also need to get a new TV for the lounge.. as thats the one that is the real problem. Its annoying because its still a very modern looking TV and supposed to be digital ticked... but it takes hours to retune and is difficult and still doesnt get everything. All in all Im going to need to shell out several hundred quid to get it sorted.
However thats going to have to wait. The PC is the next thing thats worrying me. Im running an adapted 4yo medion which has had some real hammer over the years and is on 24/7.... and so that will have to take priority over a new tele. :lol:
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I guess I also need to get a new TV for the lounge.. as thats the one that is the real problem.
Well if it looks good, has a good picture etc. you could just plug in a tuner box.
Freeview boxes are really cheap, you might even find a suitable one which can select the region/transmitter.
And obviously FreeSat needs a box, unless you buy a new TV with the tuner built in.
Either of those might be cheaper and more effective than a new TV. A Freeview box certainly will be, you might even want one with a hard disk recorder inside it.
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>>> Freeview boxes are really cheap, you might even find a suitable one which can select the region/transmitter.
Selection of region/transmitter I think is going to be a must. I have freeview boxes (granted they are a few yr old now) but they dont seem to fair any better and also pick up from moel-y-parc. Actually maybe I should look for a freeview box that does exactly that because that would be a solution.
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I'd support the idea of a new set top box for freeview. I was very surprised at the sophistication of the rescan/installation program of a box I bought recently in Argos for less than £20. You can select the continent (Europe), country England) and the area (SW, S or SE). It even separates the radio channels from the TV and you can switch between them with the remote. It is "only" SD because it's used in the conservatory on a smallish screen TV. There is the ability to manually scan although being in a fringe area I've not used it. Just for reference this is an Argos branded item so who knows who made it. The product code is VDVB51N. I would suspect that modern HD boxes would have the same level of sophistication.
Tony
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>> and the area (SW, S or SE).
Wonder if it would be able to separate the NW with both transmitters covering the same region. I just did a bit of googling and cant seem to find a set top which allows you to specify which channels you want to scan. One site said there wasnt such a product.
With so many cross over regions Im sure there must be something. It would be so good if I could just put in the frequency numbers (or channel nos) for the transmitters that I wished to scan.
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YAY I know have a working upstairs TV :clap:
Managed to reverse the damage I did the other night by doing an auto-scan.
After about 2+ hours of messing and one very achy arm from keep reaching behind the set to plug/unplug the arial in an attempt to reset it... Im finally able to get Granada TV and other NW channels. Thats it.. not touching it again hopefully for a looooooooong time.. no more auto updates.. leave it alone.
The downstairs TV is another problem and thats a lost cause.. I just watch what I can get on it.
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YAY I know have a working upstairs TV :clap:
Managed to reverse the damage I did the other night by doing an auto-scan.
After about 2+ hours of messing and one very achy arm from keep reaching behind the set to plug/unplug the arial in an attempt to reset it... Im finally able to get Granada TV and other NW channels. Thats it.. not touching it again hopefully for a looooooooong time.. no more auto updates.. leave it alone.
Glad to hear it, but how ridulous that getting a tv working should be a cause for celebration. That's not a criticism of kitz, by the way. I'm afraid I've been highly unimpressed by many aspects of DSO and I've certainly formed the opinion that the broadcasting authorities have had a 'head in the sand & BS the consumer" attitude towards any problems. :(
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'Black Sheep the consumer ....' ?? :o
;D
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That's not a criticism of kitz, by the way. I'm afraid I've been highly unimpressed by many aspects of DSO and I've certainly formed the opinion that the broadcasting authorities have had a 'head in the sand & BS the consumer" attitude towards any problems.
Not taken as such.. youre right its appalling that so many people had and still have problems from switch over. People like my parents wouldn't have a clue.. and either me or my brother have to help them. Luckily they have sky as do most of my neighbours. But the fact that even though I know how to sort out the upstairs TV.. I dont bother because its so time consuming to do so... and end up using things like ATV.
I bet theres many an elderly person who struggles with poor reception, unavailable channels and un-watchable channels at night because they run into problems like this.
You know, thinking about it now.. its ironic that this was brought up in this particular thread, because it wouldnt surprise me if as many people suffer in silence about this, than those who have problems getting decent broadband. The moel-y-parc is probably the most well known because it affects so much of the NW and causes problems over such a wide area including cheshire, merseyside and the NW coastal regions.. but there are also many other parts of the UK that suffer similar.
TV tuning that allowed you to set the transmitter frequencies would make things so much simpler for so many people and take away much of the problems.
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Reading from the pretty skimpy "handbook" for my new STB, under "Auto Search" it says: Note: If your location falls between two transmitters,then you will be requested to select one after the scan is complete. Under "Manual Search" it says Set the Channel Name to the Channel number you wish to search. Then press Enter for the search to start. If the screen returns to the installation screen immediately then no stations were found on that Channel number. If stations are found the channel list will be built until all are found. I can't test much of this in anger 'cos I have enough trouble receiving the Isle of Wight from 40 miles away! But I can reject other transmitters to the North and East of me. The other snag is how does anybody know how sophisticated the box they're buying is before they use it? However if they are all like this it might solve some of your problems, Kitz. It might be worth a gamble for your downstairs TV.
Tony
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Reading from the pretty skimpy "handbook" for my new STB, under "Auto Search" it says: Note: If your location falls between two transmitters,
That's a load of rubbish, I think the Wales transmiters are to powerfull maybe it is because they have more mountains :-)
I can see my local transmiter and could cycle to it in 30 mins, could I cysle to the Wales transmitter in a hour?
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'Black Sheep the consumer ....' ?? :o
;D
No offence intended :lol:
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Thanks tony for all this info.. no dont muck up your own set up.
>> The other snag is how does anybody know how sophisticated the box they're buying is before they use it?
They dont.. thats the problem. The bush one that I had before getting the upstairs TV doesnt.. nor does the downstairs technosonic box which is combo unit with hard-disk for recording. That also has the wales problem since we went digital :(
>>> VDVB51N
Says this item cant be found. Ive tried looking at the models at about £20 by they are either Alba or Bush.
I was thinking argos may be a good idea because if it doesnt do what I need I can take it back. However it says "Please note that this product is excluded from our 30 Day Money Back Guarantee." so there goes that idea out of the window :/
>> I think the Wales transmiters are to powerfull maybe it is because they have more mountains
I read somewhere a while back that the moel-y-parc transmitter had indeed wapped up its signal strength and this was the reason why it was causing so many problems. Have they done anything about it though.. nope :/
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I read somewhere a while back that the moel-y-parc transmitter had indeed wapped up its signal strength and this was the reason why it was causing so many problems. Have they done anything about it though.. nope :/
just looking at the ukfree.tv website for that transmitter..
http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=SJ123701
Maybe a DVB-T2 receiver could pull in a signal from PSB3, the Public Service Broadcast transponder #1 on Moel-Y-Parc. That transponder broadcasts the un-Welsh (regionless) version of BBC1 HD and ITV 1 HD for the ITV Central West region. The transponder uses 256QAM constellation so it might be expecting too much for your distance? And it still doesn't provide BBC2 Un-Welsh.
Do you like the MythTV stuff? The DVB-T(1) pci cards/usb sticks cost just a few pounds now. The DVB-T2 ones are still somewhat more >:(
cheers, a
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Kitz, my last word (honest) on the merits of FreeSat, probably only relevant if you're a sports fan though.
Picked up on another forum:
Freesat announce an additional 24 channels of HD for the Olympics
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Dear Humax user,
Freesat have announced they will carry all of the BBC’s 24 live HD
Olympic channels throughout the London 2012 Olympics, offering the
full range of live BBC Olympics coverage, bringing every Olympic sport
from every Olympic venue.
In addition to the 24 temporary BBC HD Olympics channels listed in
the Freesat TV Guide, Freesat viewers will also be able to access
the live 'streams' via the BBC Red Button service.
As long as your unit is left in standby at night (not powered off
or left on) your unit should pick these channels up automatically,
or alternatively you can manually retune when they are launched.
For further information closer to the Olympics please visit:
http://www.freesat.co.uk/
I imagine other HD FreeSat tuners would do the same.
I have a Humax HD PVR and a Humax HD tuner so am rather looking forward to a ridiculous choice of events! 24 HD Olympics channels :lol:
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Just checked in the Andover Argos and their catalogue is still showing the SD STB I bought. The Argos number is 523/2367 and it's only £17.99. Should have given you this number before.
Tony
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http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=SJ123701
I just looked at that map and the Welsh transmitter.
I will work the mileage out later.
38 miles to Wales - 2.4 Miles to my transmitter.
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Quick reply not ignoring thread but had mother of all headaches for past 24+ hrs Not even opened curtains today and even struggled to get downstairs to feed zigs. Bbasap
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Quick reply not ignoring thread but had mother of all headaches for past 24+ hrs Not even opened curtains today and even struggled to get downstairs to feed zigs. Bbasap
:'( You both need to take care of each other. Soothing cat-cuddles and hugs. :flower:
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Soothing cat-cuddles and hugs. :flower:
Keep your filthy mitts off our Kitz! I know for a fact you never lick your paws after using the litter tray!
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Femoticoner.com%2Ffiles%2Femoticons%2Fsmiley_faces%2Fpuking-smiley-face.gif&hash=41f35e6a9f3d0e510208d8edd8a43ed900a2c965)
cheers, a
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Wooah, that was weird, only just woke up! Feel like Ive gone several rounds with Mike Tyson - ache all over, still a bit nauseous and very, very tired. Yesterday I couldnt do anything, not even read a book or eat and I spent the most of the day drifting in and out of uncomfortable sleeps. Looks like Ive missed the bins as I couldnt put the wheelies out last night and will be another 2 weeks before collection :(
Need to get a shower or bath, but waiting for the heating to warm the house up first as Im freezing... then attempt to get back on track... as I have lots to do.
>> Keep your filthy mitts off our Kitz! I know for a fact you never lick your paws after using the litter tray!
:lol:
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[PSB3]
50 BBC One HD (UK service without regions),
51 ITV 1 HD (ITV Central West),
53 S4C Clirlun,
54 BBC HD,
Interesting, and a possible solution for ITV and an unregional BBC1, but unfortunately doesnt do much for the other channels :/
the transponder uses 256QAM constellation so it might be expecting too much for your distance?
hmmm unsure. Could go 2 ways.. not pick it up at all, or pick it up and I get a crappy blocky picture like what happens with BBC3 now.
Do you like the MythTV stuff?
Not sure if Ive understood properly here as Im not up on MythTV, so please do forgive me if Ive got this wrong (which I probably have).
But several years ago I built an Antec System with Windows MCE using a Hauppage WinTV card. This seemed to work for a while, but guess what also went to pot at DSO? ??? As Eric will probably confirm, (he built a similar linux system at about the same time)... they can be tricky to tune and very temperamental.
It was ok whilst it lasted, but its a right PITA having to wait for a PC too boot up and switch over to MC before you can watch something.. and it has to be a dedicated system. You cant really watch live tv and use the PC at the same time. There was a time when I had several boxes, but unfortunately these days Im basically down to this PC and the ipad. This PC couldnt serve the downstairs TV. It was a fun project at the time, and meant to be the B-all of media systems... but at some point became impractical.
Its so damn annoying that so much went to pot at the time of DSO.. and just about everything I had no longer worked as it should, and I more or less stopped watching TV anyhow.
TBH one of the reasons why I was enquiring about the ATV here (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,10439.msg207556.html#msg207556) was I knew I was likely to be wanting to watch TV for a few days as I wouldnt be up to doing much else.
Just checked in the Andover Argos and their catalogue is still showing the SD STB I bought. The Argos number is 523/2367 and it's only £17.99. Should have given you this number before.
Thank you so much for doing that tony - appreciated.
According to the online catalogue thats the Alba model which has the marker "Please note that this product is excluded from our 30 Day Money Back Guarantee."
My fear is that it may do exactly the same as my existing equipment and because of the overlap in the NW still pick up moel-y-parc due to its stonger output. :( :(
I just looked at that map and the Welsh transmitter.
I will work the mileage out later.
104 miles -v- 39 miles for me according to google maps.
Kitz, my last word (honest) on the merits of FreeSat, probably only relevant if you're a sports fan though.
Im not a sports fan, but I think you may be right HP. Unless I know for sure there is a freeview unit that allows you to specify channels or frequencies, then Freesat or sky is going to be the only permanent solution.
Unfortunately for dish and installation and even a couple of cheap (non HD) boxes it looks like at least £200 because of the dish and installation. The HD boxes arent cheap :(
Currently sky is £15 for 6 months + £25 thereafter inc ent pack + free installation = £240 - £50 M&S voucher. Downside only one box... and which room?
Dilema, dilemas.
When I get a chance I may have another look at my Freestat box with hard-disk and see if I can get that to at least work with the downstairs TV.. cause the downstairs TV is the real mess atm.. at least I have decent upstairs tele for now. I definitely dont feel like lugging boxes about and crawling in corners messing with ariels today. Someone was supposed to have helped me to find a solution for this ages ago, but for whatever reason he couldnt get it fixed/sorted either.
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A bit more research brought up the quote below which is specific to the Wales Liverpool area problem of rejecting the Welsh Tx at Moel-y-Parc. I suspect you may have already found this but here it is.
"The Welsh channels are located between channels 42 and 52, while the English channels are between 54 and 62, so when your Freeview box does a scan it picks up the Welsh channels first and stores them in the preferred channel numbers on your box (1=BBC1, 2=BBC2, 3=ITV1 etc), while the English channels have probably been stored as duplicates, starting from channel 800 or 801.
The way to get round this problem is to do a complete retune of your Freeview box. There are two ways to do this depending on how your box works. If the box displays the channel number that it's scanning on screen while it's doing the scan (starting from channel 21 up to channel 68), then the easiest way of doing it is to unplug the aerial from the back of your Freeview box, start an automatic scan, and when the scan reaches 53 then plug the aerial back in so that the box can pick up the English channels but will already have scanned past the Welsh channels without registering them.
If you can't do that, then a more tedious way round it is to do a complete automatic scan with the aerial unplugged, so that your box is left with no channels registered at all, then plug in the aerial and then do a manual scan of each of channels 54, 55, 58, 59, 61 and 62 (54 has the HD channels from Winter Hill, so if you haven't got a HD TV then you can start scanning from 55)."
Probably my last word!
Tony
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Thank you so very much tony - youve been a great help... very much appreciated.
What you mention above is my next thing to try.
What you mention is similar to what I did for the upstairs TV. I plugged back in when it reached 737 MHz. You do have to be REALLY quick and numerous times I was just too slow trying to watch the screen AND fiddling at the back plugging ariels in and out (hence the achy arm) as I either need longer arms or another person to watch and shout "NOW". :D
Downstairs TV doesnt display chans nor freqs during the scan, so thats a no-goer.. although this certainly could be something to look at via the technosonic freeview box. Id need to do some box suffling around and hooking everything up.. and Im not sure if the technosonic does this yet (Having been decommisioned at time of switchover due to also picking up moel-y-parc.) So I need to drag that out and give it a go.
It will mean moving some furniture too to get behind everything so its definitely not something to try today. It may even be a 2 pple job, so I may see if I can get dad or Kimi/Sam to help. I'll certainly let you know.
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Keep your filthy mitts off our Kitz! I know for a fact you never lick your paws after using the litter tray!
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I use the litter tray, cover the evidence, pat your multi-coloured ice-cream ball back into a spherical shape and then I lick my paws. :angel:
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I use the litter tray, cover the evidence, pat your multi-coloured ice-cream ball back into a spherical shape and then I lick my paws. :angel:
rolling at you two :lol: :lol:
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And just a reminder what this thread was originally all about.... the program is tonight at 8.30
However, there's been yet another change
Mon 30 Apr 2012 20:30 BBC One except North West, Wales
You got to be kidding me..
......I now have a TV which I can watch BBC North West on.... and now they do this?
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:shrug2: :doh: D'oh!