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Computers & Hardware => PC Hardware => Topic started by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 12:58:58 PM

Title: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 12:58:58 PM
My trusty iiyama monitor of many years finally gave up the ghost yesterday and I ordered a new one from Amazon at what I thought was a good price, noticing that there were only 2 left.  Product was described as DVI-D, VGA.

Monitor arrived this morning but I have a problem, it appears that the product I ordered is out of stock and the page now directs to a slightly more expensive monitor, which is what they appear to have sent.

Set up:  Need to run dual monitors, old iiyama (1) had DVDI and VGA port.  Other monitor only has DVI-D port.

My graphics card is an nvidia geforce 8600 GT which has one VGA port and one DVI-D port.

So now I have 2 monitors that only have DVD-I + D-Sub  ports.

Suggestions for cheapest/quickest fix?
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: roseway on October 06, 2011, 01:05:02 PM
I've no experience of dual monitors, but it looks as though a DVI-D splitter would fit the bill, e.g. http://www.amazon.co.uk/DVI-D-Splitter-Cable-Computer-Projector/dp/B003JHGQYK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1317902580&sr=8-3

(I should say 'might' fit the bill. I don't know if splitters can deliver different pictures on the two monitors.)
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 01:13:39 PM
Thanks for the reply eric.   
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Will not allow you to connect to 2 computers to one display. The same image will be displayed on both monitors.

Not sure if that would work for what I want as the old set up allows for expanded desktop and you can drag an open window over to the other screen.   I use this set up a lot if Im working on the site as it allows me to code in one window whilst having the browser open in the other monitor.

I wondered if anyone knew if something like this would work
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cabling4Less-DVI-VGA-HD15-Adaptor/dp/B000FII810/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1317903147&sr=1-1


Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: roseway on October 06, 2011, 01:23:34 PM
The only comment about those adaptors is that they don't appear to include the pins for EDID (Plug and play) information from the monitor, which might make setting up a bit more difficult.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 01:33:09 PM
damn.

Currently on the phone to Amazon support trying to explain the problem to an 'Indian' gentleman.   Having problems trying to explain what I need.  So far he has agreed that the original product I ordered  should have a VGA port.. and is described as so  now hes gone away and Im on hold listening to music for ages.... because theres no more in stock.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: silversurfer44 on October 06, 2011, 01:34:36 PM
I use one of those adapters Kitz, only the other way round to what you would need, I also run Linux which as of yet is a bit fiddly with dual monitors. I don't know about Windows, but I don't see why it shouldn't work. By the looks of those they are a good price as well. Just make sure you order the correct adapter though.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 01:46:37 PM
Just been cut off from Amazon..  last he said was they are arranging a refund as the product sent wasnt the one described and they have no more in stock to fulfil my order that has a VGA input.

Trying to get through again... to find out exactly what I have to do next.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: silversurfer44 on October 06, 2011, 01:49:42 PM
Surely it would be easier & cheaper to send you an adapter if that would be satisfactory for you.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: UncleUB on October 06, 2011, 01:54:56 PM
Just been cut off from Amazon..  last he said was they are arranging a refund as the product sent wasnt the one described and they have no more in stock to fulfil my order that has a VGA input.

Trying to get through again... to find out exactly what I have to do next.

My own experience of returning an item to Amazon is that you will need to repackage the item,they will arrange collection and then once it has been checked back into their warehouse they will refund you.

Does it have to be an iiyama monitor........have you had a look on the Dell website? I have been more than happy with my Dell 23" monitor which I have had for over 4 years.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: HPsauce on October 06, 2011, 01:55:53 PM
You could probably get a VGA to HDMI converter for about £50 then use a cheap HDMI to DVI cable.
But getting a refund and buying a unit with both VGA and DVI inputs is probably a better solution.

Longer-term a different graphics card.... ;)
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 02:08:37 PM
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My own experience of returning an item to Amazon is that you will need to repackage the item,they will arrange collection and then once it has been checked back into their warehouse they will refund you.

That seems to be what they want me to do.  Ive just got an email with all the info on to send it back for a refund.

So now I start looking for a new monitor asap.  I would have preferred an iiyama as a 'pair' but Im open to suggestions as long as its black... and 22" or above.

I cant pull up the original amazon page now as its gone..  but it was £108... and it now re-directs to a different monitor.   This appears to be the monitor they sent as a replacement, that doesnt have the VGA input port, which will now have to go back. :(

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ilyama-E2208HDD-inch-1080p-Monitor/dp/B003GXEWEI/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top 
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: silversurfer44 on October 06, 2011, 02:11:22 PM
I use a NVIDIA video card that has vga and HDMI outputs. The vga goes straight to the a vga monitor. I have an adapter so that I can use the HDMI output with another vga monitor. I know that there is a HDMI to vga adapter available so that one can use a HDMI cable with a vga output on the video card.
From what you describe Kitz this is what you need.

Or am I getting HDMI and DVD-i mixed up?
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: UncleUB on October 06, 2011, 02:23:21 PM
Which model is it you are after,is the one in the link the one they have sent you?
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: silversurfer44 on October 06, 2011, 02:23:40 PM
I have just don e some checking and the outputs from the NVIDIA card is DVD-i & vga. This is what I have and use an adapter like the to connect a VGA monitor to the DVD-i output on the video card. Just as you can do for £1.14 or whatever it was on the link you posted.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: roseway on October 06, 2011, 02:34:36 PM
Just to offer another option, is this the monitor you want? : http://www.ebuyer.com/206302-iiyama-e2208hdd-22-lcd-monitor-ple2208hdd-b
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: UncleUB on October 06, 2011, 02:38:53 PM
Just to offer another option, is this the monitor you want? : http://www.ebuyer.com/206302-iiyama-e2208hdd-22-lcd-monitor-ple2208hdd-b

If it is,it is available from other sellers on the Amazon site,just a bit more expensive.You will still be covered by the Amazon returns/refund policy if not happy when you receive it.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 02:51:35 PM
>>> I have just don e some checking and the outputs from the NVIDIA card is DVD-i & vga.

Yes thats what I have too.


I think from doing a bit of research, that its possible to connect VGA monitors to the DVI output on the graphics card with an adapter.. but its not so easy if you want to put a DVI monitor onto the VGA output. :(



>> Which model is it you are after,is the one in the link the one they have sent you?

Yes its the one in the link that they sent as a replacement.  There seems to be a slight anomaly with the E2008's with the final letter designating the input type.  The one I ordered clearly says DVD-I, VGA on my order for the E2008-B

The one I received says E2208HDD-B which has DVD-I and D-SUB ports.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 02:54:42 PM
Just to offer another option, is this the monitor you want? : http://www.ebuyer.com/206302-iiyama-e2208hdd-22-lcd-monitor-ple2208hdd-b

Yes... thank you eric that looks like it..  but Im concerned over the model number E2208HDD 22 LCD

The product description clearly states..  "Analogue and Digital inputs guarantees flexible connectivity. " and "VGA DVI HDCP".

But then below that it says:  "Input connector: DVI-D, D-Sub"

Now im confused.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 02:59:13 PM
woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

D-sub = VGA?
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: HPsauce on October 06, 2011, 03:07:56 PM
D-sub = VGA?
On a monitor, yes.

From the dreaded W-P:
A Video Graphics Array (VGA) connector is a three-row 15-pin DE-15 connector. 
DE-15 is also conventionally called RGB connector, D-sub 15, mini sub D15, mini D15, DB-15, HDB-15, HD-15 or HD15 (High Density, to distinguish it from the older and less flexible DE-9 connector used on older VGA cards, which has the same shell size but only two rows of pins).
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 03:10:18 PM
okay.. the problem seems to be setting up the dual monitors then. 

Im now attached.. to a black screen. but nothings happening, just trying reinstalling the drivers for my video card.  brb


:stupid:
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 03:12:57 PM
okay that didnt work.   Got a docs appt in 15 mins so got to go out now..   More when I get back
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: silversurfer44 on October 06, 2011, 03:23:04 PM
You will need to set up the monitors manually because like Eric said you no longer have plug & play on your second monitor.

Good luck at the docs.
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: kitz on October 06, 2011, 06:58:58 PM
YAYYYYY finally got there in the end.    Not the set up that I originally wanted, but I now have it working after lots of messing and cable swapping.

I wanted to retain my original + true 22" Iiyama as monitor 1 with the new monitor as secondary as its slightly smaller. 
This wasnt to be though new monitor is now primary (and slightly smaller) running from the DVI-D, whilst Ive swapped the old one from DVI-D to now run via the D-sub port.   It just wasnt happening the other way round.

I wasnt able to get it working via the nvidia software, but its now running fine just using the windows PnP management in windows display properties.

There is only one slight weirdness and that is I think possibly to do with the graphics card and because windows is handling the dual monitor display...  and that is boot up window always starts with the 2nd monitor and its not until windows has loaded that display is via the designated primary monitor.   

Display is really sharp and bright but that is possibly because (a) its newer (b) its on the DVI-D port (c) its HDD
Title: Re: VGA port. DVD-I monitor.
Post by: roseway on October 06, 2011, 10:32:36 PM
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