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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: burakkucat on June 16, 2011, 04:26:26 PM
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A simple request to those who have such a device or know the answer . . .
What is the wireless specification of the BT HomeHub 3, please? Is it G, N or something else? :-\
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According to this .......... http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25746 ..........it is N
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Just set one up this afternoon, easy and good coverage.
Wouldn't talk to an old PC with an antique Belkin wireless adapter though. Wasn't worth investigating as it's headed for the skip.
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Thank you, TD. That accounts for why I can connect to my neighbour's HH3 at 72Mbps, even though the signal comes through a significant depth of ferro-concrete floor but I connect to my 2Wire 2700HGV or Netgear DG834G at 54Mbps, when the signal traverses three feet of line of sight, clear space.
HP, I would assume, then, that the skip-fodder was possibly no better than B. :)
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Actually the skip-fodder was connecting 54mbps G but wouldn't get an IP address.
I suspect, as I've seen on a number of older adapters, that the hardware isn't up to handling the encryption properly at that speed, so although the drivers etc "think" it works, in practice it doesn't unless you use a lower speed or simpler/no encryption, or both.
But the range was good on other kit. The HH3 was located (temporarily, pending a phone rewiring job) in a far corner of a largish (5-bed?) house and got good coverage everywhere.
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Great bit of kit the HH3. Feedback from EU's say they can connect in places they couldn't with previous Hubs/Routers.
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I've seen good reports, wherever I've looked, w.r.t. the HH3 as the router for FTTC EU equipment.
The only negative report seen resulted from when it had been used as a modem/router for an ADSL2+ connection.
Reading the link TD provided, I see from the BT blurb that the device is supposedly "locked" to the BT provided broadband service. Has anyone checked for that?
After all, it has been stated in many places that the BT Business Hub, a BT badged 2Wire 2700HGV, is supposedly also "locked" to BT provided broadband. Having purchased a boxed, sealed and brand-new BT badged 2Wire 2700HGV from an eBay seller, how come I can use it with my TalkTalk LLU service? (Rhetorical question. ;D ) No "fiddling" was required on my part!
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Hi BKC,
For inexplicable reasons (unless BT are too embarrassed to publish their actual FTTC performances ?) I understand that this latest modem has been locked down to provide the bare minimum necessary for a VDSL2 connection.
Perhaps the more adventurous should attempt to by a Vanilla version and explore their connections.
Does anybody know if it, or a similar model, is available in the open market and whether standard firmware in VDSL2 modems will work on BT's FTTC?
Kind regards,
Walter
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Hi BKC,
For inexplicable reasons (unless BT are too embarrassed to publish their actual FTTC performances ?) I understand that this latest modem has been locked down to provide the bare minimum necessary for a VDSL2 connection.
Perhaps the more adventurous should attempt to by a Vanilla version and explore their connections.
Does anybody know if it, or a similar model, is available in the open market and whether standard firmware in VDSL2 modems will work on BT's FTTC?
Kind regards,
Walter
Here we are again. Why-oh-why do you think BT are embarrased Walter ?? We have just reached the 5 Millionth EU to subscribe to BTi. Not bad for the ammount of time we have been installing the product.A quote is ..... "We now have over 11,500 NGA cabinets standing in streets up and down the country taking service. And if you think a cabinet just arrives on a van, you plug it in and off you go – think again!" Do they sound like they're "Embarrased", or proud of their real-time achievemnets ????
Whether the VDSL modem is locked-down or not, people ARE taking Infinity up because it's a damned good product. Some folk will NEVER be happy until somebody like 'There's 2 people who work for me. Com', pump out 100 Meg, to Fisherman Steve who lives on Crab Island in the Orkneys. It's NEVER gonna happen Walter. Stop your conspracy theories pal, BT HAVE to be publicly open with their assets, which is more than what the 'Little man' you tend to favour has to !!
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. . . I understand that this latest modem has been locked down to provide the bare minimum necessary for a VDSL2 connection . . .
Walter, a BT HH3 can be used as a modem/router on a normal ADSL/ADSL2+ line by connecting it via its ADSL port or it can be used as a router for a FTTC service by connecting the VDSL modem to it via its WAN port. In other words, it can accept two types of "input": (1) ADSL/ADSL2+ or (2) Ethernet. What I am trying to stress is that the HH3 is not just a BT Infinity device.
If you look at the relevent page (http://www.shop.bt.com/learn-more/bt-branded-products-and-services/new-bt-home-hub-3-9902.html), you will see that one would cost £91.90 from the BT Shop -- currently delivery is free. As I do not wish to pay that sum just to experiment, perhaps I should ask my neighbour if he would lend me his HH3 when he next goes away for a few days. ;)
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Whether the VDSL modem is locked-down or not, people ARE taking Infinity up because it's a damned good product.
Mr Pag, I appreciate that the above sentence is taken from your mini-rant as a result of Walter misunderstanding what I had typed but what I am interested in knowing is if the HH3 is somehow "locked" to BT Broadband (the retail broadband service).
It is claimed, in various places, that the Business Hub (the BT provided 2Wire 2700HGV) is "locked" to BT Broadband but I have found, by practical experience, that is not true.
As to the OR VDSL modem, surely that can just be regarded as a two way "translator" (a two headed Babel fish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babel_fish_%28The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy%29#Babel_fish), perhaps) that talks: VDSL <-----> Ethernet :)
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It is claimed, in various places, that the Business Hub (the BT provided 2Wire 2700HGV) is "locked" to BT Broadband but I have found, by practical experience, that is not true.
I suppose it depends on what one means by 'locked'. The custom BT firmware used in the Business Hub is locked in the sense that the user can't change the login details to a different ISP using the regular configuration pages. To do that you have to go to an unpublished hidden setup page or use other trickery. You can read the full details here. (http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/ir1002700HGV.htm)
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It is claimed, in various places, that the Business Hub (the BT provided 2Wire 2700HGV) is "locked" to BT Broadband but I have found, by practical experience, that is not true.
I suppose it depends on what one means by 'locked'. The custom BT firmware used in the Business Hub is locked in the sense that the user can't change the login details to a different ISP using the regular configuration pages. To do that you have to go to an unpublished hidden setup page or use other trickery. You can read the full details here. (http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/ir1002700HGV.htm)
Last two sentences first: Thank you for the URL, Eric, however I am well familiar with that site. I read every word before purchasing my brand-new, boxed & sealed, BT badged 2Wire 2700HGV.
Now your previous sentence: "The custom BT . . . regular configuration pages." That was not the case for me! The steps I took, once it was unpacked, were:
(1) Fit stand.
(2) Connected power supply.
(3) Powered it on.
(4) Left it alone for about half an hour.
(5) Connected it to my laptop (running RHEL 6) via an Ethernet cable.
(6) Established a DHCP connection.
(7) Invoked Firefox.
(8 ) Entered 192.168.1.254 into the address bar.
(9) Changed the default administration password to something of my own.
(10) Adjusted all the relevant settings, including my TalkTalk login and password details.
(11) Ensured that all changes were saved.
;D
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What firmware version is used on that 2700HGV? I've got two with v6.1.1.48 firmware (the latest as far as I know) and I couldn't change the ISP login details without using the hidden page.
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That is interesting, as my one has firmware version 6.1.1.48.1-enh.tm.
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How does one upload and attach an image to a forum post? I'm obviously failing to utter the correct incantation. :help:
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>> 6.1.1.48.1-enh.tm
It looks as though that's a newer version. The full reference for the two I have is 6.1.1.48-enh.tm, so yours has gained a .1. But it's a bit strange if BT have upgraded to unlocked firmware.
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>> 6.1.1.48.1-enh.tm
It looks as though that's a newer version. The full reference for the two I have is 6.1.1.48-enh.tm, so yours has gained a .1. But it's a bit strange if BT have upgraded to unlocked firmware.
I have gone through every GUI page, taking screen-shots along the way. I've now combined them into a PDF file of 1.9 MB in size. Would you be willing to "PM me" with an e-mail address to which I may send that file? There may be something new or different about which, obviously, I would not know but would be meaningful to you.
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PM sent :)
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@ BKC,
You have to ensure your picture is less than 200 K but then click on the "Additional Options & File Attachments" click the resulting choose file button and navigate to your required file.
(Add more within the max limit if you wish by using the "more attachements" link.)
Then click post.
@ everyone,
The usual caveat applies that you use the following instructions at your own risk !
I obtained the following instructions for V 6 firmware from the good folks on the IDNet forum. It works as far as username and password for any ISP that I've tried, using the appropriate settings :-
Dual SSID 2700HGV quick set-up guide.
WARNING: DO NOT FLASH THIS VERSION OF THE 2700HGV WITH THE SBC
FIRMWARE, IT WILL BE DESTROYED IF YOU DO SO.
It is NOT necessary to "trick" this router into working with IDNet, you simply provide the router
with your IDNet login details using the built in set-up wizard.
Here is how........
1. Make the following 3 cable connections to the router - ADSL phone line, Ethernet cable, Power cord.
2. Power up the router and wait 3 minutes; then leaving the power on, press the recessed reset button for 30 seconds and then allow the router to re-boot
3. Start your Internet Browser and enter HOME into the address bar.
4. When the page opens, click on Run System Setup Wizard in the box at the bottom right hand corner of
the page. The new page asks for a KEY CODE, the correct code for the UK is:
528Y - 27G4 - A222 - 22BJ - B22V.
Click NEXT to continue...
The next page allows you to select the time zone, then click NEXT to continue....
Enter your IDNet username ( eg. someone@uk.idnet.dsl4 or GW5 ) and password in the boxes and then click NEXT to continue.....
Your router will now connect to IDNet and a summary will appear.
5. Firewall Settings -
Open page http://gateway.2wire.net/management and then from the menu list select Firewall, Advanced Settings
Under Security tick the Stealth Mode and Block Ping boxes
Under Inbound and Outbound Control untick Remote Management
Click the SAVE (or Submit) button in both boxes
6 Wireless Settings -
Open Page http://gateway.2wire.net/management again and this time select Local Network,
Wireless
Tick the Enable Wireless Network Security box and then set Authentication to WPA2-PSK
Enter your Password choice and then SAVE the page
7. Router Password -
Open page HOME and then from the Network at a Glance section select Change System Password
Under Password Protection tick the ENABLE box.
Enter your Password in the 2 boxes and add a Hint if you wish.
Kind regards,
Walter
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Many thanks for that information, Walter. Do you know what URL is represented by HOME?
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Hi Eric,
It's the usual 192.168.1.254 but also has the usual PAGE etc. suffixes we are familiar with.
I've also seen that some comment that HOME has been disabled on some later firmware versions but it hasn't caused me any difficulties yet.
Sorry to be a bit vague on the subject.
Kind regards,
Walter
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When I click on the HOME link on my present model (v5.29.107.12) it goes to http://192.168.1.254/xslt?PAGE=A01 so that may well continue to be the location of HOME in more recent versions. The reason I'm rather labouring the point is the "HOME" will very probably work only on Windows systems, so it's nice to have a specific alternative.
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Hi Eric,
My Mac Firefox browsers, which all work with HOME very well, have hidden the URL but I've just remotely collected the resultant HTML Source from both version 5 and 6 firmwares from different houses.
(Select all in browser copy, open new webmail browser window and create new mail and paste data, send.)
I'll e-mail that data to you this morning for publication or not as you wish.
Kind regards,
Walter
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@ BKC,
You have to ensure your picture is less than 200 K but then click on the "Additional Options & File Attachments" click the resulting choose file button and navigate to your required file.
(Add more within the max limit if you wish by using the "more attachements" link.)
Then click post.
Walter,
Thank you for the details of how to attach an image. I'm sure I'll make use of it in the future. ;)
On reading through the latest information you have posted, regarding the set-up of a v6 2700HGV, I see it has distinct Redmond OS leanings. Obviously penguin huggers, such as Eric and myself, will have the ability to make the "translation" into something more -- er -- "sensible". ;D
I have sent a (1.9 MB PDF format) file to Eric, which contains screen shots from (virtually) all of the GUI pages of my BT badged 2Wire 2700HGV. Would you be interested in having a copy to examine? If so, please let me know.
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@BKC,
Yes please - you never know when that might be useful.
Incidentally I am also a rather diminished Penguin hugger as my machines are all Apple Macs (except one laptop for PCentric applications).
Kind regards,
Walter
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I've received your email, thanks BKC. At first glance it looks nearly identical to the 6.1.1.48 version, apart from the extra insistence on setting an access password.
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Eric -- I am wondering if the information at the bottom of the second page, headed System Software Components, is meaningful to you?
Walter -- The PDF format file is on its way to you. I have your e-mail address, from previously.
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BKC - I'm a bit tied up this morning, but later on I'll have a look at that.
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>> 6.1.1.48.1-enh.tm
It looks as though that's a newer version. The full reference for the two I have is 6.1.1.48-enh.tm, so yours has gained a .1. But it's a bit strange if BT have upgraded to unlocked firmware.
I don't know whether I was having a senior moment or what, but having just installed one of the above, I see that the version number is 6.1.1.48.1-enh.tm after all.
@Walter: The IDNet setup procedure doesn't work on this example. There is no "Run System Setup Wizard" button on the home page. I suspect that this feature may exist only on a brand new router.
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Thanks Eric,
I will investigate when I next have an opportunity.
K R
Walter
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Eric & Walter,
A gentle reminder that my 2700HGV was brand new, in a box with an unbroken factory seal and that when I first powered it up -- as I've detailed somewhere in the forum -- all visible GUI screens were as you can see in my PDF format file.
Perhaps I managed to buy a "special one"? ;D
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@BKC:
I've now had a chance to take a proper look at your PDF file. The details are all exactly the same as my v6 model, so you didn't get a special one. :)
I'm pretty sure that it must be the case that the setup wizard is only visible on a brand new router. I really can't explain why you were able to change the login details using the normal setup pages and I wasn't on the two apparently identical examples I have (I did try). Perhaps it accepts some ISPs but not others, but I can't think why. I confess to being baffled, which isn't an entirely uncommon occurrence.
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I'm pretty sure that it must be the case that the setup wizard is only visible on a brand new router.
Hmm :-\ I'm not too sure what you are trying to say, Eric. Without labouring the point, my 2700HGV was "a brand new router" and I had no means of invoking a "setup wizard" when I first powered it up. :no:
The best thing we can do -- unless someone has a bright idea for a series of experiments -- is to log it as one of life's little mysteries. :)
One other thing. I've just noticed that we are now way "Off Topic" for this thread's subject, so before we are moderated, perhaps we should consider starting a "BT Badged 2Wire 2700HGV" thread . . . :lol:
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Sorry if I'm confusing you BKC, but Walter's quote from IDnet referred to using the setup wizard on the home page. Maybe as you say, we have to log it as one of life's little mysteries. :)