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Chat => Chit Chat => Topic started by: AdrianH on March 04, 2011, 08:36:22 AM
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From today you can fill out your census on line >> http://www.census.gov.uk/ supposedly easier than the paper version as it only asks you questions relevant to your circumstances.
Sadly you need the paper version to arrive prior to going online as your census number is needed.
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>> Sadly you need the paper version to arrive prior to going online as your census number is needed <<
Apart from the cost of the paper version, why not? Without some form of ID the census would be useless. They can't get it right with the paper version. Mayb electronically it may be nearer the mark. :)
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>> Sadly you need the paper version to arrive prior to going online as your census number is needed <<
Apart from the cost of the paper version, why not? Without some form of ID the census would be useless. They can't get it right with the paper version. Mayb electronically it may be nearer the mark. :)
They could have had a registration system to allow you to complete without all the paper stuff arriving.
Looking at the questions it is designed by an idiot and the questions are in a very stupid order, I can forsee problems already as it is impossible to answer questions about the addresses lived at correctly.
My son is away from home as a weekly boarder so needs a "both" button for his addresses, they only allow you a here or there option which means the answers are going to be untrue/inaccurate.
Personally I would prefer to tell them to get stuffed, they already have all this info anyway and do not act on it so why go through all this again?
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Unfortunately just about any questionnaire one fills in these days is all 'tick boxes' without the opportunity to provide an alternative. How many times have you seen a pop up on a website asking you to fill in a survey about the website before you have even looked at it.
The paper version of the census sounds to be no better than the online one anyway.
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I seem to recall this is going to be the last one.
bbc.co.uk - National census in 2011 could be last of its kind (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10584385)
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Well , the form arrived this morning , went online and completed the job in less than 10 minutes. The online system certainly saves you a lot of reading and box ticking as you only get asked questions appropriate to your situation.
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Why are they asking all the personal stuff at the end of the form?
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Why are they asking all the personal stuff at the end of the form?
That's the census for you, tell us all about you.
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Just submitted online..quite painless ;D
It wouldn't work with Chrome so I did it using Firefox
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Just submitted online..quite painless ;D
It wouldn't work with Chrome so I did it using Firefox
It liked Opera which many of these things don't .
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Yep much better doing the census online ;D
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Has anyone noticed the ?Q18? that reads that the section has been intentionally left blank? :-\ ::)
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Has anyone noticed the ?Q18? that reads that the section has been intentionally left blank? :-\ ::)
Its question 17 on my form. :)
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Hence the ?s around the number. Too early to look at actual document. :)
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Where is this form? I haven't got one yet.
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Where is this form? I haven't got one yet.
You will. :)
Mine came this morning, and it says that one should fill it in on, or shortly after, 27 March. But the online form happily lets you fill it in now (probably another error). You can't fill in the online form until you get the paper one, because this has your secret private code.
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I haven't got one yet.
Seehttp://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,8893.0/topicseen.html (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,8893.0/topicseen.html);D :P
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My paper form says do it as at 27 March. On 31 March we move out, forever. Should I mention this? No >:D or possibly :lol:.
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If you're moving house it won't matter. Actually it shouldn't matter even if you are leaving the country as they are only counting for that particular day.
I think. :-\
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My son is away from home as a weekly boarder so needs a "both" button for his addresses, they only allow you a here or there option.....
Isn't that because they only want information as to where people will be on the specified date (27th I think it was)
But yes there are some stupid questions and also at least one set of questions which basically are irrelevant if you are retired, but you still have to tell them what you used to do and when.
"Ex Government employee and not allowed to tell you" :lol:
If "Local Government employee"............. I told you I am not allowed to tell you... :shoot:
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My son is away from home as a weekly boarder so needs a "both" button for his addresses, they only allow you a here or there option.....
Isn't that because they only want information as to where people will be on the specified date (27th I think it was)
But yes there are some stupid questions and also at least one set of questions which basically are irrelevant if you are retired, but you still have to tell them what you used to do and when.
"Ex Government employee and not allowed to tell you" :lol:
If "Local Government employee"............. I told you I am not allowed to tell you... :shoot:
No, the question asked if you lived at another address for more than 30 days per year which he does. Your nornal address is counted as the one you reside at the most but they then ask students where they live in term time but the answer " both" as he is a weekly boarder, is not available. It was even more confusing online as the questions asked were limited by the software to those it deems relevant according to previous answers.
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Has anyone noticed the ?Q18? that reads that the section has been intentionally left blank? :-\ ::)
I read somewhere that that is for the Welsh people to fill in , something to do with asking how many speak the language etc - Pity I cannot remember where I read it.
I also did my Census online but someone said I should not have done it until the 27th March - but the submission was confirmed.
Liz
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Doe anyone actually check if the information you input is actually correct ???
I would imagine there are houses with 2 registered and 22 actually staying there who are not suppose to even be in this country.
I've read that in 2001, 3 million people didn't fill in the census and of those 38 were fined. 390,000 wrote down Jedi as their religion
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Re. question 18.........yes, restricted to us foreigners.
I, of course, have the Scottish Census form.
Question 16 asks which out of English, Scots, Gaelic do I read,write, speak, understand and Question 18 asks which of these is the "default" language used in the home
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Did you answer 'All of the above' TD?
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@ ss44 I did, and all the freehand answers I put in in Gaelic... :D
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Doe anyone actually check if the information you input is actually correct ???
I doubt it very much unless the form is "obviously" filled in in such a way it is obviously micky taking.
Am I: Black, White, Pink, etc (who knows, you have to believe what I have said)
The chances are that they probably chose about 10% of the forms to actually check, the rest would then be scanned using automatic data filling software. (OCR)
Apart from your name and address there is nothing else on the form that could be seen as being inaccurate information just by reading the form.
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Has anyone noticed the ?Q18? that reads that the section has been intentionally left blank? :-\ ::)
I also did my Census online but someone said I should not have done it until the 27th March - but the submission was confirmed.
Liz
If that was the case the online system would have been available from the 27th onward, they specifically stated that you could answer from the 4th of March.
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I must have skipped that bit - it was so enthralling.
Liz
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OK, I did read the first 10 pages which then said for my circumstances I need go no further so just sign and return.
TBH I never even noticed any date as to when it could be completed from, only the date it should be completed by, so I just went straight on-line and filled it in, which I must say seemed a lot quicker than trying to wade through the original 10 page paper version.
I think what they should have done was to send out a small document with your code numbers and state if not completed on-line by xyz date then the paper version would be sent out.
I'm quite sure that the extra cost involved in postage would far outweigh the cost of the amount of paper wastage and re-cycling with the current system.
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This Telegraph article is well worth a full reading .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8371197/Missing-questions-on-2011-Census-baffle-public.html
Missing' questions on 2011 Census baffle public
The 2011 Census has provoked a string of complaints over blank questions, middle names being missed off and a form being sent to a car park ticketing machine.......
......... Yesterday, officials were forced to defend a decision to send a census form to a car park ticketing machine in Hampshire.
It was addressed to "The Occupier: Pay on Foot Shelter” and posted to the machine in the Moors Valley Country Park, in Ringwood, Hants.
Kate Davis, from the park, said staff were still deciding whether or not to answer questions about the machine’s religious beliefs.............
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Will the machine finish up in court if it doesn't fill the form in?
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Have you broken the law?
As far as I can see, the ONS is simply wrong to suggest that early return is OK. This Census is governed by the Census (England) Regulations 2010, regulation 10 of which states:
10.—(1) Every prescribed person to whom a household pack has been delivered or on whose behalf delivery was taken under these Regulations must, on the day after census day or as soon after as is reasonably practicable—
(a)complete the copy of questionnaire H1 included in the pack, place it in the reply-paid envelope provided and send the questionnaire to the Authority by post; or
(b)return the information requested by questionnaire H1 electronically using such an electronic system as the Authority may provide for this purpose and in accordance with the instructions included in the accompanying pack.
Which quite clearly does not allow an early census return. Failure to comply with regulation 10 is made a criminal offence (albeit a very minor one) by section 8 of the Census Act 1920. There doesn't appear to be, in the regulations or the act, any power for the ONS to disapply these provisions or vary when the census returns may be made.
http://www.francisdavey.co.uk/
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The rest of the quote is :-
I'm not a census lawyer, so maybe I'm missing something here. What's more I doubt that it would be easy to prosecute someone for doing what the ONS has precisely told them to do. It still seems to me to be an odd way to run a census.
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All this talk of a simple form......fill it in,send it back/do it online....sorted.
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>> .fill it in,send it back/do it online....sorted. <<
What do we chat about then. ;D
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http://help.census.gov.uk/england/help/help-and-information/Gettingstarted/Completethequestionnaireonline/
The 2011 Census online questionnaire is straightforward to fill in. It asks the same questions as the paper version.
To complete your online questionnaire you will need your personal internet access code from the front of your paper questionnaire.
You will only be asked questions that are relevant to you based on your previous answers.
There are 13 help topics in 'Completing your online questionnaire'
When you can complete online
As soon as you receive your paper questionnaire, you will be able to complete the online questionnaire. Please remember that your completed questionnaire should accurately describe your household and visitors on census night, Sunday 27 March.
Couldn't be more simple or obvious could it? There are a lot of very poor lawyers around, Specsavers offer a good range of services this guy may wish to use.
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Just want to add my two pennorth here though in a different direction....I have decided to write on the front of the form in red pen....*Stop Immigration* just to make my feelings known on this subject (seeing that they don't include questions on how the public feel about this country... :P and yes I know that's not what it's all about..)
I feel that if EVERYONE did the same who didn't like the situation we are in with immigration being imposed on us, then maybe somewhere along the line the message might get home. I know "they" don't read the forms but if enough peeps did this, then someone is bound to notice that the feeling of people regarding this issue is enough to make them "register" it on an official document.
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What if you died today?
Were you here on the 27th?
It is the ONS breaking the law as I see it.
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Well I wouldn't tell and that's for sure.
Even if I was dead I might still be here.
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Is there a correct coloured pen to fill it with?
Is it best filled in with your tongue out or in?
::) ;D
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I think you should do it with tongue in cheek. :)