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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: NewtronStar on June 23, 2023, 07:40:34 PM
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Have ordered Full fibre which will be installed early july understand copper drop wire will be replaced with optical cable and then to the ont in hallway with master socket the router is in a different room using the data extension from master but telephone is in livingroom.
So how do I connect the telephone to FTTP
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If you are with BT, you will be moved to Digital Voice (VoIP) and will receive either 2 basic or 1 advanced cordless handsets. The BT hub is a DECT base station.
The BT hub also has a built in ATA presented as a standard phone socket at the rear of the hub in which you can plug an analogue phone.
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The ONT doesn't have to be in the same place as the current master socket. Have them run the drop cable to the living room, where people are most likely to be, and the phone will go into a phone socket on the router assuming you're using an ISP that offers a phone service: you didn't mention an ISP.
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ISP is with Vodafone so Dect BT4600 base station needs to be connected close to the router vodafones smart hub which is not ideal
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Was thinking as the old data extension socket to router (DSL) will become the WAN from the ONT to router there are still 3 pairs left unused so could enginner use a spare pair from data socket to living room so there would be two sockets in the PC room one for WAN and Telephone/Voip
Its sounds strange but there has to a way around this
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ONT to router needs to be at least CAT5e using 2 pairs if you only need 100Mbit or 4 pairs if you need faster. Though given you said 3 pairs spare, I assume it already is? But you'd still need them all if your service is faster than 100Mbit.
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Thanks Alex re: the pairs didnt know that, this FTTP install is going to be like the first FTTC install all thoses years ago wet behind the ears until I came here to learn but now its just became need to know when you need it as I cant take it all in at in at once old brain issue.
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Just a word of caution regarding where you request/opt for the ONT to be situated.
The saga of my sisters FTTC/FTTP migration outlined here:
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26339.msg441623.html#msg441623
I believe you are NI resident, she is resident in Ballyclare.
The majority of OR's FTTP installs Aerial or UG still seem to be carried out by sub-contractors, usually KN Circet in NI.
If you plan to rely on Wi-Fi connections to your domestic devices then the router location is obviously important.
If you plan/have the capability to run an ethernet cable between the ONT and the router then won't be a problem to situate the router at the optimal location for Wi-Fi.
If you manage to get the ONT situated within a short ethernet, jumper cable distance from the router situated at the optimal Wi-Fi location again no problem.
My FTTP installation was UG by OR's sub-contractors, I managed to control the process by pre-installing a duct, pre drilling a hole and fitting an ONT enclosure, for reference the saga is here:
https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,26792.msg449417.html#msg449417
Good luck with the migration :fingers:
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Was thinking as the old data extension socket to router (DSL) will become the WAN from the ONT to router there are still 3 pairs left unused so could enginner use a spare pair from data socket to living room so there would be two sockets in the PC room one for WAN and Telephone/Voip
Its sounds strange but there has to a way around this
That would be a really bad idea. DECT cordless for phones is the way to go, and using pairs from whatever Openreach installed to carry DSL with others for phone is at best risky and at worst just not going to work very well. I imagine it's Cat5e at best, 4 pairs, unshielded.
If you must have corded phone run another cable next to the existing one, a flat cable might be less intrusive. Keep data and phone on separate cables. Gigabit Ethernet needs all 4 pairs of the cable and will not coexist with phone signals on the same cable.
Think you'll have to bite the bullet on this one as you'll be adding that extra cable or switching to cordless one way or the other in the near future even if not straight away.
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FTTP installed today and not what I expected they never used the pre Installed CATe I installed years ago as they don't do RJ45 crimps so had two options Modem and ONT in living room or Modem and ONT in the administrator room went for later as its Just like the old days Router and HG612 in the sane place.
As for telephone we have now two drop wires one optical and copper so no change to telephone again not what I expected but all is working and clean Job good cable management :)
More Info Optical came into living room then routed via walls and holes drilled in walls and door boards all by KN networks and 3 hours later cherry picker came and lifted optical cable to CBT
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As for telephone we have now two drop wires one optical and copper so no change to telephone again not what I expected but all is working and clean Job good cable management :)
Yeah I only lost my copper line due to some confusion with the engineer which I didn't bother to correct as I wanted it gone anyway as one less ingress for lightening.
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Yeah I only lost my copper line due to some confusion with the engineer which I didn't bother to correct as I wanted it gone anyway as one less ingress for lightening.
I did want it removed but must be a Vodafone thing are they not going Voice digital though the modem now displays voi phone1
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So two drop wires one Optic and Copper Internet and phone I guess that makes the NTE5C MK4 redundant as all its doing is old copper pots stuff and no need for filtering phone and broadband was wondering what you guys do?
1 remove NTE5C MK4
2 Install a Basic NTE5a
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Feel very stupid since full fibre was installed 5 weeks ago no disconnects phone Dect has that dial tone so all is good but just found out no calls coming in or out because I did not plug the phone into router
So useing orginal pair on the data extension socket cable blue and white then removed orange and white wire from BT master (Incoming old VDSL and Pots) then made a new connection using those cams for phone Blue and White on the MK4 faceplate and DECT VOIP is working fine in another room
What got me is there was a still a dial tone on phone (POTS) after the full fibre install so I thought just I did not need to plug phone into router :blush:
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What got me is there was a still a dial tone on phone (POTS) after the full fibre install so I thought just I did not need to plug phone into router :blush:
After going FTTP with BT and retaining my LL number, now on digital service, by old POTS copper line still had a dial tone for well over 3 months, was also allocated a (different) number on the local exchange, as advised by the line checker (17070), not surprisingly, could not make or receive any calls from this service.
Only became aware of this as an old analogue phone was still connected in a bed room, kept there just to see if/when the copper line would eventually go dead.
You may know already, if it's not convenient to plug your DECT base station directly into your router you can get a Wi-Fi extender:
https://store.ee.co.uk/products/bt-digital-voice-adapter-100121-GN1T.html?src=15
At the time of my FTTP installation with BT, March 22 the adapter could be free on application dependant on the choice of digital phone handset package requested.
I appreciate you ISP is Vodafone so may not be directly applicable to your router.
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Thanks Tiffy good helpfull information Dect phone is now using the old DSL data socket & cable that goes from router PC room up to roof space and down to the MK4 then to dect phone hardly any effort at my end.
Any idea what is to happen with our old BT 1976 defunct copper dropwire is openreach going to remove it ?
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Any idea what is to happen with our old BT 1976 defunct copper dropwire is openreach going to remove it ?
I would think not, all of the aerial fed fibre installations I have seen here have been installed by OR sub-contractor, KN Circet and removing the old copper feeds doesn't seem to be part of their remit as far as I can tell.
My particular local area was all UG, DIG armoured cable POTS installation, the new fibre was just run across the garden at a very shallow depth in some black flexible plastic trunking about the diameter of a garden hose pipe, under the garden wall from the footway chamber, shudder to think what will happen if any major front lawn re-working is ever required, no way the fibre would ever survive!
However, that seems to be the current method of fibre UG installation in this area, have observed quite a few.
My sister-in-law had an aerial FTTP install a few months ago, she has not had a LL for years but the copper feed remained at the front of the house, the new fibre feed happens to be at the rear.
Due to some road works the POTS DP pole at the front of the house was recently re-located, the old, long reduntant copper line was re-instated on the new pole, still no LL (digital or otherwise) at the house.
Bit of a break down of communication between OR and their sub-contractors perhaps?
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Tiffy as more and more go for FTTP drop wires here it's looking more like a spiders web when you look up, I see no reason for those with FTTP Opical cable would have a need for old copper drop wire unless they went back to VDSL though FTTP seems cheaper and POTS voice calls is being removed 2025
Edit Just a small note Fibrus arrived in this small village last week roads dug up for ducts and new manhole made in my cul-de-sac sorry but openreach beat you to it by 6 months.
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Depends on the engineer. Mine was removed due to miscommunication (it was still live for POTS) as it was easier to pull the fibre over the multiple gardens using it. But like you said, I ultimately preferred to have it removed anyway as the plan was to move to VoIP once everything was working and have less paths into the house for lightening.
As a general rule though they shouldn't remove the copper and unless its causing problems (pole loading perhaps?) its not worth the cost to send people out to deal with it after the fact.
Not sure how its all going to work as Openreach don't like going near customer premises unless they really have to. When snow loosened the fibre from my end, they just tightened it at the pole, even though it then left no slack my end.
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Edit Just a small note Fibrus arrived in this small village last week roads dug up for ducts and new manhole made in my cul-de-sac sorry but openreach beat you to it by 6 months.
Yes, Fibrus seem to be targeting smaller towns in NI, my brother signed up with them in Portrush, got a very good deal.
Have only seen 1 Fibrus cabinet recently appear in my area (NW), it's in an area fully covered by OR FTTP and Virgin Media who have just completed upgrading their infrastructure to full fibre also, bound to be lots of competition, perhaps not a bad thing in the longer term!
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That does not sound good Alex I know we should all hale openreach for FTTP but its not aesthetically pleasing to see so many wires and also high voltage electrical cable here a drone operators nightmare when landing, I suppose it gives the birds more perching sites ;)
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I don't like the idea of two cables rubbing on each other, though the main feeder pole likely has that issue so I guess the insulation must be rated for it.