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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: freelander on August 17, 2017, 10:04:52 AM

Title: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 17, 2017, 10:04:52 AM
Hi
I have had a resync in the early hours of the morning and my attainable has jumped from 49 to 61 and my snr has jumped from 7.9 to 16.1 but my down load has dropped a bit , I am banded at 43998 and on a 55 /10 line with idnet

Stats on  MDWS same as username if some one would just have a quick check for me please

Thanks
Chris
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: Dray on August 17, 2017, 10:08:59 AM
I don't think you can tell on there,you have to look at the telnet output
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: lee111s on August 17, 2017, 10:09:55 AM
What modem/router are you using?

Some report vectoring status.
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 17, 2017, 10:14:54 AM
Thanks
Using a Zyxel 9325 B10B

just checked and showing ( below ) i presume vectoring 1 full is vectoring  applied , would it be worth asking idnet to try and get my banding lifted


DSLAM/MSAN type:           BDCM:0xa48c / v0xa48c
Modem/router firmware:     AnnexA version - A2pv6F039x.d26n
DSL mode:                  VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                    Showtime
Uptime:                     8 hours 55 min 23 sec
Resyncs:                   1 (since 13 Aug 2017 13:51:59)
         
            Downstream   Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):     26.0      0.0
Signal attenuation (dB):   Not available on VDSL2      
Connection speed (kbps):   43998      9578
SNR margin (dB):           16.1      6.4
Power (dBm):               12.8      3.0
Interleave depth:          4      1
INP:                       55.00      0
G.INP:                     Enabled      Not enabled
Vectoring status:          1 (VECT_FULL)      

RSCorr/RS (%):             0.0010      0.0000
RSUnCorr/RS (%):           0.0000      0.0000
ES/hour:                   1.19      0.91
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: lee111s on August 17, 2017, 10:59:49 AM
Have you had a look in the GUI magement page?
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 17, 2017, 11:01:58 AM
thanks  lee111s , i just edited my post above to show this , thanks
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: GigabitEthernet on August 17, 2017, 11:26:40 AM
You do indeed have vectoring.
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 17, 2017, 12:18:39 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: busby on August 17, 2017, 05:07:23 PM
It's such a black art this VDSL. I have a lower attenuation but a considerably lower speed downstream and upstream. No G.INP or Vectoring, but presumably that's because I'm on an ECI cab at the end of some aluminium cable.

I know this adds nothing to the discussion, just thought I'd reiterate the 'them and us' thing  ;)

Stats below -

DSLAM/MSAN type:           IFTN:0xb206 / v0xb206
Modem/router firmware:     AnnexA version - A2pv6F039g1.d24m
DSL mode:                  VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                    Showtime
Uptime:                    3 days 11 hours 1 min 9 sec
Resyncs:                   3 (since 12 Aug 2017 17:58:31)
         
            Downstream   Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):     23.4      0.0
Signal attenuation (dB):   Not monitored      
Connection speed (kbps):   32884      4114
SNR margin (dB):           6.2      6.0
Power (dBm):               -0.3      -0.3
Interleave depth:          643      1
INP:                       3.00      0
G.INP:                     Not enabled      Not enabled
Vectoring status:          5 (VECT_UNCONFIGURED)      

RSCorr/RS (%):             0.4625      0.0036
RSUnCorr/RS (%):           0.0025      0.0000
ES/hour:                   1.94      0.06
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 18, 2017, 03:14:32 PM
I wish that vectoring had not been enabled, had a steady 43998 for months and now the DLM system has been playing and down now to 28780 with a 19.6snr , had a few restarts yesterday due to thunderstorms and the electric going on and off  and just done a manual reboot now , will this pick up on its own


Cheers
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: Dray on August 18, 2017, 04:34:34 PM
You could use a modem that doesn't support vectoring
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 20, 2017, 12:35:29 PM
I contacted idnet to see about getting the banding lifted and after chatting and a few reboots of the router and cable swaps just to eliminate  my equipment I now have an engineer booked for the morning to reset my line.

The support I have had from idnet has been amazing and I can honestly say that I have never had support like this from any of the other providers I have used

Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: Ixel on August 20, 2017, 12:39:34 PM
I contacted idnet to see about getting the banding lifted and after chatting and a few reboots of the router and cable swaps just to eliminate  my equipment I now have an engineer booked for the morning to reset my line.

The support I have had from idnet has been amazing and I can honestly say that I have never had support like this from any of the other providers I have used

This surprises me. As I understood it an engineer can only reset DLM if he/she found a fault on their (Openreach's) side and that they can't just be booked to solely reset DLM. If that really happens then that's amazing customer service.
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 20, 2017, 02:15:17 PM
With the reboots and thunderstorms that caused the electrics to have a few outages my speed had halfed so this may have also helped getting the call out
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 21, 2017, 03:23:00 PM
The Openreach engineer  has just left after been here for nearly 1.5 hours , checked all my line, no faults found , replaced the Mk 3 face plate with a new type that just clips in to place ,remade all the connections  in the master socket and did a DLM reset by telephone using the secret menu ( only known to telecom engineers , so he told me )

the test equipment that he was using was showing my line was running at 6.9 snr with a download speed of 31490 and upload 6.5 snr and 7800

He connected the cable back to the router (Zyxel 9325 b10b) and once synced the router was showing connected at 55000 with an snr of 9.7 download and 9526 and snr of 6.5 down  , the MDWS is showing that interleaving is applied and G.INP on the downstream only

Attainable is showing 62237 down,  he was suprised that I was synced at 55000 for the length of my line ,so vectoring must be doing something and no errors apart from  fec errors showing

Will see how it goes over the next 48 hours

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: j0hn on August 21, 2017, 03:51:12 PM
If he did a DLM reset there shouldn't be G.INP on the downstream. The default state for a Huawei cabinet after a reset is usually interleaving.
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 21, 2017, 03:56:23 PM
I asked him twice if he had done a full reset on the DLM and he replied yes , there is G.INP showing active on my MDWS  , so I don't no what to think now
same name on there as username here
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: RealAleMadrid on August 21, 2017, 07:13:31 PM
When I had a DLM reset G.inp was removed but came back on a couple of days later on downstream, before that I had G.inp on upstream but only briefly when there was fault on the line. Your speed seems to be much improved now so just see how it goes over the next few days. I don't suppose the engineer offered any explanation for why your speed was hit so hard by DLM just after vectoring was enabled. Thunderstorms are supposed to be treated as wide area events and not cause DLM action, but who knows how BT's systems work!
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 21, 2017, 07:26:50 PM
He had no explanation and also could not understand why his test equipment was showing different readings, he took a lot of  notes and shots of my stats for before and after vectoring  was applied and was going to pass it on to someone in his department,  I will just monitor it now and hopefully it settles down again

Cheers
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: Chrysalis on August 21, 2017, 07:31:55 PM
why was his test equipment syncing so low?

ahh I think his jdsu probably doesnt support vectoring.
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: Chrysalis on August 21, 2017, 07:33:36 PM
You could use a modem that doesn't support vectoring

and annoy all those other vectored users as he would then crosstalk onto them ;)
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: Ronski on August 21, 2017, 07:51:36 PM
why was his test equipment syncing so low?

ahh I think his jdsu probably doesnt support vectoring.

That would imply that vectoring has pretty much doubled the attainable line rate, 31490 to an attainable of 62237  :o

Possibly the DSLAM backed off the power so not to affect other users???
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: Chrysalis on August 21, 2017, 07:57:25 PM
Vectoring can double line rates on high grade copper, never mind whats on BTs network :)
Title: Re: Has Vectoring Been Applied to My Circuit?
Post by: freelander on August 21, 2017, 08:06:13 PM
Previous to vectoring on my line I was synced at 43998 which it had been at for a couple of months , I presume it was banded, it certainly lifted the attainable from 56000 to 61000 and some

Cheers