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Chat => Chit Chat => Topic started by: Chrysalis on June 19, 2015, 06:27:44 PM
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kid who lives at other side of a small park from me started going round in circles on his moped/motorbike up until about 11pm yesterday.
Then today he has been doing it since 8am, and is still doing it now, round and round and round. The engine noise is driving me bonkers.
Is this anti social behaviour or something that is deemed ok and I have to deal with?
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it's antisocial behaviour and/or public nuisance. He may be breaking other laws also depending on his age, the type of bike and what land he is doing it on. I'd let the police know on their non-emergency number.
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If it's a two-stroke, then you really have my sympathy. They make a horrible noise. I think it's anti-social behaviour, but I rather doubt that the law would agree if it stopped at 11pm.
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I like your description "kid", which shows you haven't condemned him out of hand as some would. What do you know of him / his parents? I'm thinking the likelihood of aggression developing. If there is nothing negative, why not engineer a freindly interest in his machine and his activity and sometime drop in some "advice".
He may be having symptoms of the excitement of a new toy, and the annoyance will drop off. ATM annoying behaviour is how I'd treat it, but if anything suggests it is more, I would be reluctant to get involved, today's society being as is. In that case I would go through channels to stop.
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yeah hoping its a new toy he will get bored off.
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this has all kicked off, but not by me.
This morning it was raining so no moped.
Then the shopkeeper across the road did something as I heard fighting outside.
From what I seen, I think he took the moped, and locked it in his shop, then the kid's dad or big brother (not sure which) came and started banging on the shop door, so the shopkeeper sealed his shop up.
It went quiet for about 30 mins or so, and then the police arrived, and I seen them order the shopkeeper to give the kid his moped back, then I got peed off and went to talk to them saying he is driving me nuts with the noise, and the police were basically saying I have to deal with it, the shopkeeper told them he keeping his shop closed until they deal with it, and they told him thats up to him and they left.
Now some hours later the kid is still at it since then non stop.
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From your last post I think personal non-involvement is best. this link (http://www.problemneighbours.co.uk/applying-for-an-asbo.html) may be useful guidance on the ASBO procedure, should you need.
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Oh crap!
You and your neighbours may be in for a rough time :(
From what you have posted previously it would suggest the parents of this individual wouldn't be interested in talking about or considering that he is causing a nuisance to others let along being anti-social.
Personally 0800 is too early and after 2100 is too late and I bet they haven’t even thought that some neighbours may be night workers or parents with babies and young children.
I would suggest you and others keep a log, possible video footage, of his antics so any complaints to police or council can be backed up.
You haven’t elaborated on the land that the moped is being used on. This link may be of use http://www.trf.org.uk/faq-sb.html#wheremotorcycle (http://www.trf.org.uk/faq-sb.html#wheremotorcycle). Unless the land is private and the “kid” has the land owner’s consent to rid the moped on it then he may be breaking the law by doing so.
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yeah plus he uses it on a road also. I think why the shopkeeper was so mad as the kid keeps stopping outside his shop and revving the engine, plus gangs of kids come to watch him as well.
I have seen something like this before, a few years back when a neighbour of mine (a teacher) had kids hassling her, at first the police did nothing, but eventually they were forced to intervene as their lack of action was probably costing them more with all the calls etc.
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I really do feel for you.
Your problem is with 'a minor'?
Which if as said in previous posts he's using it on public land and streets then the police should intercede without any question of it.
We are of course assuming he is a minor without any Tax or Insurance on the bike.
However, where logs of activity reports are concerned, ask the police or and the council in what format they want them to be kept, you can also ask them to supply CCTV equipment and they SHOULD comply with that, the main advantage then is that as it's their equipment then it will be deemed not to have been tampered with, much the same here in Birmingham it only requires one person of authority to witness any goings on for the courts evidence, whereas they will not automatically take the word of the likes of us.
You may also find if you can dig deep enough that you may also have a 24/7 team of noise abatement officers that can be called out at any time, but trying to find their details is a full-time job also.
Quite frequently from the Police's point of view is 'IF' the family are what's known as 'known to the police' then the police will not be advocating that the family gets evicted, simply because where they are the police know.
If it's rented property, you should also be complaining to the property owners, because you may actually get more satisfaction and a quicker result from them.
Although with the problems we had it took 10 years and 3 deaths before things got resolved.
1 Drug enforced overdose
1 Shooting (drugs related)
1 Suicide due to drug dependency
So now you know why I say 'I really do feel for you'
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it is a minor for sure, but yesterday was no action. So maybe he started to get bored. I hope.
It is a council house and ironically there is 2 cctv cameras used by the police covering the street.
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It is a council house
::)
Contrary to popular belief, not everyone who lives on a council estate is a pikey :P
I'm struggling to see the logic in the shop keeper's actions. I would think very carefully before appearing to align yourself with him or anything he stands for, where the perception of the council estate is concerned.
Assuming you are not moving house any time soon, I would explore all possibilities of integrating yourself with these lesser mortals who inhabit the 'estate.
Boredom is often the driver for what is considered anti-social behaviour. Boredom and lack of direction. If this turns to frustration, for whatever reason, the people who stole their bikes and locked them in a shop will likely become a target for the next round of amusement.
An incredibly difficult situation for someone who just wants a quiet life but sometimes you have to head these things off at the pass. I've no idea how you do this but most kids on bikes love to go fast? Show him how to make his bike faster?
Faster and quieter, of course :D
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@boost :)
I do not agree with your view that Chrysalis shows any prejudice in commenting on the ownership of the kid's dwelling.
I believe he was rescinding to an earlier post
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@boost :)
I do not agree with your view that Chrysalis shows any prejudice in commenting on the ownership of the kid's dwelling.
I believe he was rescinding to an earlier post
It wasn't directed at Chrys, more taking advantage of his one liner to rant in general.
No offence intended Chrysalis :)
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I was answering the question regarding if its rental.
So the landlord is the council.
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The reason I mentioned/asked if it was council or Social housing was that you stand more chance of the landlord taking action rather than if the property was owned by the occupants.
Obviously it also makes one wonder why the police already have CCTV installed in the street, where I live was to keep a eye on all the drug dealing that was going on.
If there is anything you can pass on that might be of any use to the police then I would suggest you make a appointment to go and see your local police neighbourhood crime prevention officer, if you are fearful of your well-being with attending a police station in case you are seen then they can and will make arrangements to see people away from either the station or your own property, at places such as a hotel etc or even just a pub away from your area.
But unfortunately it may have been quite so far today, but with hind-sight (10 years of it) these problems do not just fade away into the distance without some form of intervention. If the parents are threatened with eviction then they may just make their son stop.
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Basically there is what is a very tall pole with 2 cameras, one of the cameras moves but usually points towards a traffic junction, the other one seems to be permanently pointing at the street.
The kid is not out today either.
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Any Anti social behaviour is not tolerated were i come from it's a taboo subject basically it meens the culbrit does not need any long court case which saves public money and it's known that 98% of offender's are re-educated back into social life.
You dont live in the uk do you.....It is beginning to get normal here
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You dont live in the uk do you.....It is beginning to get normal here
I should not have posted that and i removed my post but you get the general idea.