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Broadband Related => Telephony Wiring + Equipment => Topic started by: wandermark on December 08, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
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Hello all!
Have a stupid problem which I'm hoping someone can help me with.
Want to buy an old style NTE5 master socket with the six terminal connections on the inside of the removable front plate. Mine is faulty (the front plate only) and I've searched high and low trying to find where I can buy a replacement. I don't have the expertise or time to change out the whole master socket; just want to replace the front plate.
A photograph of the reverse of the old style one I need can be found in the "Removing the Ring Wire" paragraph on the "Improve your adsl broadband connection speed" page of the ADSL tab section.
My phone is connected to the front of my front plate and my computer modem is connected to an extension in another room.
Would anyone know where I can buy one?
Many thanks,
Mark
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I'd be surprised if you could buy one as a separate item. They must only be a couple of quid to buy as a complete unit ??
Either way, it doesn't matter if you purchase the old 6-way, or newer style 4-way front-plate, to get the most out of your circuit you would only re-connect the two wires back to T2 and T5. :)
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Why not go for the appropriate Mk of Filtered faceplate for your xDSL and get rid of the pickup of Christmas decoration RFI too ?!
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Hello again,
Many thanks for the replies!
I'd be quite happy to buy a complete old style NTE5 socket. The problem is I can't find one to buy!
All six connection terminals on the back of my current faultly front-plate have wires in them (possibly because of my extensions?).
My understanding is that I can't use a modern flitered (splitter) front-plate because I have my modem connected to an extension socket.
Cheers,
Mark
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By way of a starting point .............
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NTE5-BT-TYPE-TELEPHONE-MASTER-SOCKET-CTE5-NTE-NTE5A-CTE-/260417535772
There are things that can be done regarding the extension socket ...... ie: possibly converting it into a data-only socket utilising the existing cable and a SSFP (What you refer to as a 'Splitter front-plate). There are other possibilities as well but haven't got time to go into them, I'm afraid. It all hinges on your capabilities ? :)
As I said before, you only need to connect 2&5 up on the front-plate of the new NTE, that way the 'balance' of the circuit is maintained. You may find by just doing this, you are happy enough with the outcome ? :) Gotta go. Bye.
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All six connection terminals on the back of my current faultly front-plate have wires in them (possibly because of my extensions?).
Probably because it's been wired incorrectly. :o
Have you checked where those wires go? They will have absolutely no function in a domestic phone system.
Unless someone has for a very odd reason "looped" some wiring back down unused cores. >:D
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They will have been connected like that due to old regs saying we had to, back in the day. No amount of possible 'looping back', or any other configuration ....... will play any part in the circuit. Terminals 1,4 and 6 are not used. Terminal 3 is for the bell-shunt which again is not necessary if using DSL filters, and will improve the circuit once removed at the front-plate.
Only 2 and 5 need be connected.
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They will have been connected like that due to old regs saying we had to, back in the day.
You live and learn, I never knew that. 8)
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It was mainly for neatness on the vast majority of extension sockets, but essential if working on the now obsolete 'Renown' small business systems. :)
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If possible, perhaps Mark could take a series of photographs of the current setup --
- The connections to the IDCs on the reverse of the lower front face-plate of the NTE5/A.
- The connections at each extension socket.
Without knowing the full details, it is impossible to provide concrete advice.
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essential if working on the now obsolete 'Renown' small business systems. :)
I was aware of some of those sort of issues, though not the specifics, which is why I said "no function in a domestic phone system".
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Let's see. In lieu of a picture, the connections on the back of my old faulty front-plate are:
Terminal Wire colour
1 Green/white
2 Blue/white
3 Orange/white
4 White/orange
5 White/blue
6 White/green
Haven't yet opened up my first extension socket as it's deeply buried in the rat's nest in the alcove behind my computer table.
The modern front-plates (which I will have to buy one of if the old ones are in fact now completely unavailable) seem to have only 3 terminals. I understand that I can ignore my Orange/white and White/orange wires and tuck them safely away. I also understand that the Blue/white and White/blue wires are my main phone wires and should be reconnected to the same numbered terminals on any new front-plate.
This then leaves the question of what to do with the Green/white and White/green wires. In other words, it seems I will have four wires to connect to only three terminals.
Thanks again,
Mark
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Without knowing what the various wires connect to at the other ends we can't be certain, but it seems probable that only the blue/white pair on terminals 2 and 5 is needed, and the others can be tucked out of the way. You could try disconnecting the others from your present faceplate and see if it changes anything.
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Let's see. In lieu of a picture, the connections on the back of my old faulty front-plate are:
Terminal Wire colour
1 Green/white
2 Blue/white
3 Orange/white
4 White/orange
5 White/blue
6 White/green
As Black Sheep noted above, only 2,3 and 5 would be used in a modern installation, those are the only three on such a faceplate.
3 is the bell wire so can also be disconnected.
1 and 6 are totally superfluous, so you may have misread something...........
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Hello yet again!
Just to say that I've finally opened up both of my extension sockets, and both are wired exactly the same as my old style faceplate, with all six wires connected to exactly the same terminals!
So, in my ignorance it seems that, unless mine is the only house in the known universe that has four wires coming into it, I can safely disconnect the Green/white and White/green , as well as of couse the Orange/white and White/orange. (What a rat's nest of disconnected wires I'm going to have!)
Or should I for whatever reason try to find a modern faceplate with four terminals and leave the Green/white and White/green connected?
Cheers,
Mark
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Yup ....... get rid of 'em all mate, apart from the Blue/White pair of course. ;)
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As mentioned above, terminals 1 and 6 (green and white) have no purpose, so you might as well disconnect them and tuck the wires out of the way.
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Terminals 1 & 6 were originaly designed as a means to additional power to anything plugged into any sockets.
The idea was a small plug into mains transformer. the DC cable has a PSTN plug at the end. with + & - voltage on 1 & 6
That way anything more than a basic phone could have additional power requirements fed by the existing telephone cabling.
As it turns out any equipment needing additional power are designed with its own mains plug or transformer. so the terminal 1 & 6 idea never took off. We still have that need to make sure our telephone sockets are within a couple of metres of a mains socket today for DECT, answer machines, alarm systems routers, faxes, telex machines etc etc.
Was a great idea, just that as the rest of the world didnt pick up on it, so many appliences were manufactured with the idea of a mains socket, or the designers just didn't know
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Why does the op have to Buy a NTE5 socket, I thought that belongs to BT ? if it's faulty they should replace it :hmm:
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Hello all and belated festive greetings!
Job done! Rob at Telecom Green kindly sorted me out an old but perfectly working NTe5 faceplate with six terminals. I installed it but without the orange and green wires. Also ripped out all the orange and green ones at my two extension sockets. Everything is now working fine!
Many thanks for the info and advice from everyone.
Mark