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Title: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: burakkucat on May 08, 2013, 03:28:05 PM
A BT Press Release (http://www.btplc.com/News/Articles/Showarticle.cfm?ArticleID=4E2E1EF5-FCBA-4CE4-B769-E48E0F68ACED), dated May 7, 2013, announces the release of the Hub 4 as from from May 10, 2013.

A picture of the beastie is attached, below.

 :hmm: Hmm . . .


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Title: Re: Bettie Announces the Hub 4
Post by: biohead on May 08, 2013, 04:12:39 PM
A few more pics...
Title: Re: Bettie Announces the Hub 4
Post by: Black Sheep on May 08, 2013, 04:49:19 PM
Aye, our Stores man was muttering about these coming to market pretty soon ?? First to crack it wins a pint of Black Sheep, Asbo, B*Cat, B.Eagle, Eric, Rizla et al ................ on your marks !! ;)
Title: Re: Bettie Announces the Hub 4
Post by: GigabitEthernet on May 08, 2013, 05:32:03 PM
Urgg; they have gone back to a card for the WiFi settings...
Title: Re: Bettie Announces the Hub 4
Post by: asbokid on May 08, 2013, 05:33:48 PM
That's a very generous offer, Black Sheep!  Although i'm more of a Stella man (straight from the can, in the checkout queue!)
Me thinks you've got an insider's low down on Beattie's latest security measures in its CPE!   The Home Hub 3.0b Type B is proving hard enough to crack. What with no serial port pins, no JTAG, etc. 


I was wondering why new HH3.0b units are turning up on Taobao for £7.50!

See: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=17456641605

 Now we know.  Beattie has another model - the HH4 - up its sleeve!

The Broadcom 6361-based HH3.0b didn't have much of a life - shipped for less than two years before being superseded. Will the new model also be based on a Broadcom SoC?

cheers, a


Title: BT Home-Hub 4 (Dual-Band + Gigabit LAN) available from May 10th
Post by: snadge on May 08, 2013, 09:25:48 PM
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(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.tinypic.com%2F87dslzp.png&hash=d57f637b9ee245620bffff402e328d02811542ad)

The UK’s most reliable broadband connection from BT’s new hub

First smart dual band wireless router from a major UK ISP

BT has unveiled its new, smarter Hub 4 wireless router, designed to offer broadband users the UK’s most reliable connection from a major Internet Service Provider (ISP).

BT says the new router, being rolled out from May 10, 2013, gives customers the best connection because of its smart dual band wireless technology. It combines Smart Wireless and concurrent dual band wireless (dual stream 802.1n MIMO technology simultaneously at 2.4GHz and 5GHz), which helps avoid interference to give the most dependable connection . It is the first router from a major ISP in the UK to offer this.

The new slim-line design of the BT Hub 4, at just 116mm high, 236mm wide x 31mm deep, means it will fit through most letter boxes, putting an end to frustrating trips by customers to pick up their parcel from the local sorting office or mail depot if it is delivered while they are out.

The router’s integral “smart setup” makes it simple for the customer to set it up with any device without having to load a separate CD.

Two Gigabit Ethernet ports (WAN and LAN), 5GHz 802.11n and a new faster processor make the BT Hub 4 the ideal partner for BT’s fastest Infinity fibre services providing a superfast connection that can be fully harnessed by a complete range of devices via the Hub’s superb connectivity options.

Packaging is made from 100 per cent recycled card with non-petrochemical inks and the latest intelligent power management technology monitors hub functions and puts them individually into power save mode when not in use.

John Petter, managing director of BT’s Consumer division, said: “This is our best ever home hub. We’re once again providing our customers with cutting edge technology to give them a better connection than any other major UK broadband provider. BT’s the first major ISP in the UK to offer such innovative smart dual-band technology that avoids interference for an ultra-reliable connection. It’s at the heart of our broadband packages.”

Ofcom’s recent report on broadband speeds shows BT customers are getting faster speeds than ever before with BT Infinity giving the most reliable experience. It revealed BT is much more likely than others to deliver the same speeds in evening peak times when people most value their connection. Some ISPs restrict internet traffic or limit how much users can download or upload, so at peak times of day customers may experience slower speeds. BT’s unlimited products really are “Totally Unlimited”, never slowing customers down. The strength of BT's network combined with the new Hub 4 means BT customers can enjoy the best possible speeds, on the most reliable wifi connection.

The BT Hub 4 will be rolled out to BT Broadband and BT Infinity packages over the coming months, starting from Friday May 10. From June, existing BT customers will be able to upgrade for free to the new hub when they take out a new contract or they can buy one at a special price of £35 including VAT from www.bt.com (http://www.bt.com).

Notes to editors

The new BT Hub 4 product specification

Ports and Sockets
• ADSL network interface for BT Broadband
• 1x RJ45 Gigabit WAN interface for BT Infinity
• 4x RJ45 Ethernet LAN ports
• 1x Gigabit Ethernet
• 3x 10/100 Base T Ethernet
• 1x USB 2.0 master socket x1

Buttons
• Wireless: WPS
• Reset (Pinhole)
• Restart
• On/Off power button

LED
• Power
• Broadband
• Wireless

Weight & dimensions
• 301 (gms)
• 116 high x 236 wide x 31 deep (mm)

Wireless
• Dual band concurrent wireless
• 2.4GHz: 802.11n dual-stream 2x2 MIMO. Back compatible with 802.11 b/g
• 5GHz: 802.11n dual-stream 2x2 MIMO. Back compatible with 802.11a
• WPS wireless connection
• Smart Wireless – automated channel selection in 2.4 & 5GHz
• Wireless channel operation
• 2.4GHz: 20MHz (default), 40MHz supported
• 5GHz: 40MHz (default), 20MHz supported
• Up to 64 simultaneous wireless users supported

Wireless encryption
• 2.4GHz: WPA & WPA2 (default), WPA, WPA2 and WEP 64/40
• 5GHz: WPA2

Wireless Transmission speed
• 2.4GHz wireless: up to 300Mbps
• 5 GHz wireless: up to 300Mbps
• Up to 150 Mbps (20MHz)
• Up to 300 Mbps (40MHz)

Power consumption
• Latest intelligent power management; hub functions are monitored and individually put into power save mode when not in use.

Other features
• Packaging designed to fit through typical UK letter box
• Smart set up – new CD-less installation
• Support for BT Wifi
• Packaging is 100 per cent recycled card with non-petrochemical inks

About BT

BT is one of the world’s leading providers of communications services and solutions, serving customers in more than 170 countries. Its principal activities include the provision of networked IT services globally; local, national and international telecommunications services to its customers for use at home, at work and on the move; broadband and internet products and services and converged fixed/mobile products and services. BT consists principally of four lines of business: BT Global Services, BT Retail, BT Wholesale and Openreach.

In the year ended 31 March 2012, BT Group’s revenue was £18,897m with profit before taxation of £2,445m.

British Telecommunications plc (BT) is a wholly-owned subsidiary of BT Group plc and encompasses virtually all businesses and assets of the BT Group. BT Group plc is listed on stock exchanges in London and New York.


Read Recombu Digital's guides to Setting up a Wireless Home Network and What is a Router?John Petter, managing director of BT’s Consumer division, said: “This is our best ever home hub. We’re once again providing our customers with cutting edge technology to give them a better connection than any other major UK broadband provider.

"BT’s the first major ISP in the UK to offer such innovative smart dual-band technology that avoids interference for an ultra-reliable connection. It’s at the heart of our broadband packages.”

The BT Home Hub 4 also sports two Gigabit Ethernet ports (WAN and LAN), 5GHz 802.11n and a new faster processor, which BT claims makes an ideal partner for the firm’s Infinity fibre optic braodband services.

The router also boasts intelligent power management technology which monitors hub functions and puts them individually into power save mode when not in use. It also comes with an integral Smart Setup, which makes it simple for the customer to set it up with any device without having to load a separate CD.

The BT Hub 4 will be rolled out to BT Broadband and BT Infinity packages over the coming months, starting from Friday, May 10. From June, existing BT customers will be able to upgrade for free to the new hub when they take out a new contract, or they can buy one at a special price of £35.

http://www.btplc.com/News/Articles/Showarticle.cfm?ArticleID=4E2E1EF5-FCBA-4CE4-B769-E48E0F68ACED (http://www.btplc.com/News/Articles/Showarticle.cfm?ArticleID=4E2E1EF5-FCBA-4CE4-B769-E48E0F68ACED)
Title: Re: BT Home-Hub 4 (Dual-Band + Gigabit LAN) available from May 10th
Post by: snadge on May 08, 2013, 09:28:18 PM
BT wanna be careful saying it gives the most reliable broadband connection in the UK!! I can see ASA cases coming forward!

they claimed this last time with HH3 because it had auto wireless channel changing lol... a BIG CLAIM for such a feature! , "reliable broadband connection" to me means what it says... " the broadband connection is reliable...not the wi-fi signal..!!
Title: Re: BT Home-Hub 4 (Dual-Band + Gigabit LAN) available from May 10th
Post by: burakkucat on May 08, 2013, 09:55:14 PM
<Cough> (Fur ball.)

You're a bit late (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,12491.0.html) with that information, snadge.  :P
Title: Re: BT Home-Hub 4 (Dual-Band + Gigabit LAN) available from May 10th
Post by: kitz on May 08, 2013, 10:07:00 PM
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BT has unveiled its new, smarter Hub 4 wireless router, designed to offer broadband users the UK’s most reliable connection from a major Internet Service Provider (ISP).

Hmmmm totally agree with you snadge, thats a pretty dubious claim to make saying that the HH promises that. 
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: snadge on May 08, 2013, 10:34:25 PM
oops... my bad  :-[

i should of searched first...

yeah they said same thing last time to and I was surprised they werent asked to change the advert TBH because they were making it sound like BT had the most reliable broadband in the UK which would make people think others mustnt be and therefore they should go with BT... when the truth is BT probably arent the most reliable ISP lol... and wifi channel switching doesnt make your DSL connection more stable lol
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: ZenmasteR on May 09, 2013, 06:31:11 PM
anyone going to try blagging one as a replacement from BT
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: NewtronStar on May 09, 2013, 07:13:35 PM
at 236mm width i'll need an extra table to stand it on, the HH3 was only 170mm in width and still think the HH3 looks sexier if you can imagine a router in that term  :blush:
Title: Re: Bettie Announces the Hub 4
Post by: asbokid on May 09, 2013, 08:26:35 PM
Will the new model also be based on a Broadcom SoC?

Nope, not according to Mark Jackson of ISPReview.co.uk.

He writes that the new BT Home Hub 4 is powered by a Lantiq ARX368, a MIPS-cored ADSL2+ SoC.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/05/uk-isp-bt-retail-reveals-new-smarter-hub-3-broadband-wireless-router.html

cheers, a
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: Chrysalis on May 09, 2013, 08:39:18 PM
still only 1 gigabit port.
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: kitz on May 11, 2013, 01:24:56 PM
I had already noticed that..  Pretty disappointing and can hardly be classed as cutting edge technology when the wan is only 10/100.   Cracked me up that the gb port is iirc advertised as being there for infinity...   So what about the rest of the network then?
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: snadge on May 12, 2013, 03:21:29 AM
the Gigabit port IS the Infinity Port though isnt it? - thats how they get away with that!! - 160Mbps+ Vectored VDSL , but your only gunna see 95Mbps of that cos of the 100Mbps LAN lol
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: biohead on May 12, 2013, 09:47:20 AM
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Two Gigabit Ethernet ports (WAN and LAN), 5GHz 802.11n and a new faster processor make the BT Hub 4 the ideal partner for BT’s fastest Infinity fibre services providing a superfast connection that can be fully harnessed by a complete range of devices via the Hub’s superb connectivity options.

Two GigE ports. One WAN, one LAN  ;)

Is the existing Hub3 like this (I don't have one to check)?
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: kitz on May 12, 2013, 11:25:50 AM
I really can't understand the mentality of putting 3x 10/100 and only one GbE
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: snadge on May 12, 2013, 11:40:46 AM
I really can't understand the mentality of putting 3x 10/100 and only one GbE

Cheaper?

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Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: kitz on May 12, 2013, 01:48:17 PM
>>> Cheaper?


No that doesnt make sense either.  Surely the switch element would have to be Gigabit to serve the WAN and one LAN port.  So unless Im missing something why are the other 3 ports only 10/100. 

The Gb switch element is surely there anyhow (and has to be to support >300Mbps of 802.11n ?)
They are proudly claiming 802.11n, so we have the possibility of faster wi-fi than LAN depending on which port in use.
 
I havent looked into this so am happy to be corrected, but on home routers arent the ethernet ports 'part' of a switch which can route traffic correctly giving full bandwidth to each port, yet the wifi element (AP) acts more like a hub because its only able to share bandwidth.

So the only thing I can think of is the argument of processing power for GbE traffic!

If I am correct with the above, then surely the only reason for sticking in 3x 10/100 ports is purely to reduce/restrict the total amount of bandwidth being managed by the switching element in the router.

IMHO it isnt quite 'cutting edge technology' purely because of the lack of GbE ports, which is restricting the full capabilities of the LAN...  and therefore reducing processing power used by the router. 

I suppose the idea is if you want to use GbE then you add a separate switch letting that do all the traffic processing.

Rizla???  anyone else??   am I correct??





Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: Chrysalis on May 12, 2013, 04:01:42 PM
it is cheaper I think but the amount they save will be tiny as the chipset needs to be gigabit capable for just that one port.  My guess is the savings are probably under £1, maybe £2 at absolute maximum.  BT are not unknown to skimp and save everywhere possible, and this shouts of that.

The practical use of it is stupid tho, so a switch with just 1 gigabit port is essentially a 100mbit switch, this leaves its use for FTTP infinity, which allows 1 machine only to get above 100mbit speeds.

I have seen one commercial router do something similiar, I believe the fritz 7360 has 2 100 ports and 2 gigabit.  However my guess is that wasnt done to save costs but more so to make people pick the 7390 over it, in other words to deliberatly make it worse than a higher cost model.  Of course the homehub doesnt have a higher cost model, BT just ship one version, so to me its a very silly design fault.
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: burakkucat on May 12, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
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Two Gigabit Ethernet ports (WAN and LAN), 5GHz 802.11n and a new faster processor make the BT Hub 4 the ideal partner for BT’s fastest Infinity fibre services providing a superfast connection that can be fully harnessed by a complete range of devices via the Hub’s superb connectivity options.

Two GigE ports. One WAN, one LAN  ;)

Is the existing Hub3 like this (I don't have one to check)?

Yes. I've just checked with both the HH3.0B and the BH3.0 that are lurking in my grotto. :)
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: snadge on May 12, 2013, 05:06:13 PM
I was just gunna say (but Bkat beat me..as always :) ) that the HH3b has 1Gb LAN port and 1Gb WAN Infinity port too - so they have followed on the internal design by the looks of it? well that said they have moved from Broadcom to Lantiq, dunno if that means they have to completely change board design?

I think its to do with price, it must be cheaper (pennies) as theres no other logic to it?

be interesting to find out.
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: asbokid on May 12, 2013, 05:32:18 PM
The lack of GbE ports may be down to the power of the CPU, or lack of it.   In the blurb, BT reports that the Lantiq CPU powering the Home Hub 4 is "faster" than the ones in earlier Hub models, but doesn't give any more details.

The CPU is a Lantiq ARX368. It is a 32-bit dual MIPS core System on Chip (SoC), integrating the ethernet switch, DSL front end line driver, and an 802.11n transceiver.

According to the Lantiq Product Brief [1], the second core, probably another MIPS 34Kc core, is called a Protocol Processing Engine. It is dedicated to handling the ethernet switching and the DSP coding and decoding at the DSL driver layer.    Leaving the first core to exclusively run the Linux operating system kernel.

Quote
"[T]he XWAYTM ARX300 family is supported by a Protocol Processor Engine which accelerates WAN-LAN-WLAN traffic, and thus guarantees Gigabit routing performance at zero CPU load.

From the same Product Brief, the GbE switch reportedly has 7 ports. 

Maybe switching seven ports at gigabit speeds is just too much for that lil' ol' CPU ?!

cheers, a

[1] http://www.lantiq.com/uploads/media//Lantiq_XWAY-ARX300_Product-Brief_02.pdf
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: Black Sheep on May 12, 2013, 05:38:20 PM
Beat me to it, Asbo.  ;D
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: asbokid on May 12, 2013, 05:54:26 PM
Beat me to it, Asbo.  ;D

 :P
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: kitz on May 12, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
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The lack of GbE ports may be down to the power of the CPU, or lack of it.

Thank you - that is exactly what I thought in my earlier post (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,12491.msg235901.html#new).  I just didnt have the time to look into or search for any specs at the time, as I had to be elsewhere.

I dont see that it can be financial at all, because the Gb switch is already in there.  10/100 ports are no less expensive than GbE.   
By only having one LAN port they are forcing the EU to attach a separate switch to perform the network switch processing. 

OTOH it is financial because they are cutting back by not putting in a decent CPU...  which is poor because there are several routers on the market that can and do handle Gigabit switching... so if the CPU is a pile of crock, its hardly a 'cutting edge' router is it?
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: snadge on May 13, 2013, 02:06:26 AM
so it's still down to cost because they dont want to afford a better CPU to power all the Gigabit switches  :P - yup as you say kitz it must be crock if they had too "cut back" on hardware as to allow the CPU to 'cope'..!!

that CPU sounds similar to the BCM6358 in my Netgear DG834N which does the same sort of thing, one core powers the OS and the other the WAN/LAN/WLAN

http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Broadcom_SOCs#ADSL_series
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: Chrysalis on May 13, 2013, 07:39:09 AM
The lack of GbE ports may be down to the power of the CPU, or lack of it.   In the blurb, BT reports that the Lantiq CPU powering the Home Hub 4 is "faster" than the ones in earlier Hub models, but doesn't give any more details.

The CPU is a Lantiq ARX368. It is a 32-bit dual MIPS core System on Chip (SoC), integrating the ethernet switch, DSL front end line driver, and an 802.11n transceiver.

According to the Lantiq Product Brief [1], the second core, probably another MIPS 34Kc core, is called a Protocol Processing Engine. It is dedicated to handling the ethernet switching and the DSP coding and decoding at the DSL driver layer.    Leaving the first core to exclusively run the Linux operating system kernel.

Quote
"[T]he XWAYTM ARX300 family is supported by a Protocol Processor Engine which accelerates WAN-LAN-WLAN traffic, and thus guarantees Gigabit routing performance at zero CPU load.

From the same Product Brief, the GbE switch reportedly has 7 ports. 

Maybe switching seven ports at gigabit speeds is just too much for that lil' ol' CPU ?!

cheers, a

[1] http://www.lantiq.com/uploads/media//Lantiq_XWAY-ARX300_Product-Brief_02.pdf

possibly but 2 points I wish to make.

generally lan to lan traffic is far less cpu intensive than wan to lan, we know the homehub3 eg. can handle the 330 FTTP product, so it can do 300mbit wan to lan its almost certianly capable of handing gigabit lan data.
The 2nd point is that the hh3 has the same limitation but has a broadcom cpu.

I would be surprised if the hh4 cannot handle 300mbit wan to lan as BT need to make their CPE capable of the products they sell.
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: guest on May 13, 2013, 05:17:59 PM
There are two aspects in play here :

1) Overall router power consumption - last I remember all the major UK (EU?) ISPs had to* sign up to some sort of code for the power usage of such devices;

2) CPU.

Now what I can tell you about an old DG834GT on the old Sky 7dB (conservative) profile and the new 3dB (wtf go for it) profile is :

a) When the line is maxed out on 7dB then DMT Tool still works; maxed out on 3dB then DMT tool will time out. Difference is @ 7dB there's bugger all error correction needed and at 3dB there is;

b) this results in my DG834GT using nearly 20% more power (idle as well) and using one of those laser temp thingies the outside case is 8C warmer on 3dB margin.

So I reckon that until the (Broadcom) SoCs utilise one core for ADSL/VDSL WAN activities and one core for LAN/WAN switching/routing you aren't going to see much in the way of GigE ports.

Oh and the power usage needs to drop to "tick the regulatory box".


*or be castigated as GW deniers/evil/substitute whatever fits
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: snadge on May 13, 2013, 05:41:11 PM
@ Rizla - interesting point, of course you refer to your own line when you say 7db requires no error correction, longer lines do, heck my 26db line gets 30 crc's per day...  :-)

Offtopic : Is broadcom the only chipset builder that allows telnet?

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Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: guest on May 13, 2013, 05:51:10 PM
No what I mean is that as the ADSL/VDSL speed increases then the demands on the cpu core doing that work increase.

I only gave that (DG834GT) as a minor example.

Oh and anyone who thinks (DIY) GigE around the house is going to be error-free - best of luck.
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: Chrysalis on May 14, 2013, 01:30:23 AM
true, on my adsl line I often had the modem seizing up, the amount of error correction and bitswapping was simply too much for it.

do routers often have lan and wan processing seperated to seperate processor core's?

some examples I do have.

my billion 7402nx has a wan throughput limit of about 45mbit/sec, discovered when I had FTTC installed, dissapointed as is otherwise a great router.  Yet it can handle gigabit lan.  My typical lan throughput I think is 600mbit or so. (on all gigabit routers I tried).
This made me buy my asus rt-n16 which can handle up to around 120mbit or so so full FTTC speeds.  Has gigabit lan.
The hh3 can handle 300mbit speeds in excess of all the above routers.  But its possible the above routers have seperate processors to handle lan traffic.
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: guest on May 14, 2013, 11:13:53 AM
Somewhat topically Sky are now asking for beta-testers for a "new edition" of their hub :

http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Fibre-Broadband/Product-Beta-Trial/td-p/1110434

Maybe prepping for self-install? Your guess is as good as mine....
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: guest on May 14, 2013, 11:32:58 AM
do routers often have lan and wan processing seperated to seperate processor core's?

Depends on the router but in general no - enterprise level routers/switches often do, but the cores there will be for things like packet forwarding, embedded services (firewall etc), management/punt traffic etc etc.

Lose the xDSL part of the routers we're talking about and what's left would have the cpu cycles to route at above 100Mbps - if it were that simple, which of course it isn't as the xDSL frontend is part of the SoC.

Switching (LAN-LAN) and routing (LAN-WAN) at line speeds are different beasts too, especially at above 100Mbps when you're using NAT and a firewall.

Best bet really (IMHO) is a dedicated modem feeding into a bog-standard ethernet router. Costs more in total but you have the modem (bridge) cpu dealing with xDSL and not having to mess about with routing/firewall/NAT; you have the router cpu doing routing/NAT/firewall. Horses for courses.
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: c6em on May 14, 2013, 11:46:24 AM

I've always said that we are moving towards needing something along the lines of the computing power of a netbook (?intel atom?)- if users want an all in one FTTC/router/wireless/NAT handling capable unit.
All means biggers cases, more complexity, fans whatever etc.


Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: guest on May 14, 2013, 12:51:42 PM
Oh gods you don't want an Atom, they're garbage for this sort of work. Frankly they're garbage for most sorts of work but they're x86 compatible so they get used for Windows. I have a server running on a dual-core Atom but that's really just for backups/DNS/streaming server etc - if I tried to make it route stuff it'd struggle to cope.

Most of the current(ish) ARM cores would do this really well and at a low cost (power and cash) but they're not well represented in the consumer router market AFAIK, so startup costs would be higher than just grabbing a Broadcom SoC and re-rolling Busybox....
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: asbokid on May 17, 2013, 03:28:38 PM
The first unloved Home Hub 4 is up for sale on a famous auction website  :D

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww5.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F13063238%2F480%2FHome-Hub-4%2Fhomehub4-ebay.png&hash=8a870dc76f4b25ed02d8a28679d8aa320abd8d74)
(Click to enlarge) (http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/13063238/img/Home-Hub-4/homehub4-ebay.png)

With a starting price of £59.99, it's probably for the connoisseur only!  (that's more than my PC is worth!)

cheers, a



Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: c6em on May 17, 2013, 03:44:52 PM

Blimey that's cheap!
Try this from the BT shop....yours for only.....£109
http://www.shop.bt.com/learn-more/bt-branded-products-and-services/bt-hub-4-12324.html (http://www.shop.bt.com/learn-more/bt-branded-products-and-services/bt-hub-4-12324.html)
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: Black Sheep on May 17, 2013, 03:57:25 PM
We don't know it's "Unloved", Asbo ?? In fact, it may be that the HH4 has itself asked to be auctioned off, due to the EU only having lowly ADSL speeds !!  :P :P ;D ;D
 
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: burakkucat on May 17, 2013, 06:48:05 PM
My 'Best offer' of £0-59 for it was turned down.  :(
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: GigabitEthernet on May 17, 2013, 10:24:20 PM
And there's another Home Hub 4 on the 'bay; yours for - you guessed it, the fantastic price of just £65.

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg22.imageshack.us%2Fimg22%2F5479%2Fhomehub4onebay.jpg&hash=889baaf7b0c610a97075c6972cdecd9084653072) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/22/homehub4onebay.jpg/)
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: Chrysalis on May 19, 2013, 06:19:12 AM
What I do like what they did is they made it fit thru postboxes, meaning no more waiting around for delivery.
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: smiggy on May 19, 2013, 12:15:32 PM
FYI, 190837397709 will take a best offer of £45+postage, maybe 1 or 2 less. He declined my offer of £34 :tongue:
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: asbokid on May 19, 2013, 07:37:33 PM
Hello Smiggy!  Fancy meeting you here!  We was told you'd emigrated to Oz!  Just here while the weather's good?!

cheers, a
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: smiggy on June 04, 2013, 12:15:04 AM
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F13226825%2F640%2FHomeHub4v1%2Fcpu.jpg&hash=1c88d160c51668eea7f6f8ca43fd52f65a49db5b) (http://picturepush.com/public/13226825)
LANTIQ PSB 50368 EL V1.2 XWAY ARX368
SAMSUNG K4T1G164QF-BCF7
LANTIQ PEF7071V V1.5

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww5.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F13226823%2F640%2FHomeHub4v1%2Ffront-overview.jpg&hash=e5b5591187a895ef0badad1d36e76dfe41968ee3) (http://picturepush.com/public/13226823)

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F13226820%2F640%2FHomeHub4v1%2Ffront-with-heatsink.jpg&hash=4da4ac7fc0a918030088278e81566f26ecd371ba) (http://picturepush.com/public/13226820)

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F13226819%2F640%2FHomeHub4v1%2Ftps65270.jpg&hash=2c67a1ca94fbbd03207390ce06c36ae408a5bed0) (http://picturepush.com/public/13226819)
TI TPS65270

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww5.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F13226818%2F640%2FHomeHub4v1%2Ffront-topleft.jpg&hash=de285515c5e60245596457d7bc6d0c7ff8741b38) (http://picturepush.com/public/13226818)

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww3.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F13226816%2F640%2FHomeHub4v1%2Ffront-topright.jpg&hash=e042e93cda4127d277f8d40736b082e14c547e45) (http://picturepush.com/public/13226816)

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F13226815%2F640%2FHomeHub4v1%2Fscan-back.jpg&hash=9b12893de9bba595eeca3a5fbe54af80dd7dbc5c) (http://picturepush.com/public/13226815)
SAMSUNG K9F1G08U0D
Title: Re: BT Announces the Home Hub 4
Post by: asbokid on June 04, 2013, 12:45:17 AM
Interesting stuff, thanks for posting, Smiggy!

Quite well spec'ed:  128MBytes DDR2 and 128MBytes NAND (in a BGA unfortunately - hard to remove)

http://www.lantiq.com/uploads/media//Lantiq_XWAY-ARX300_Product-Brief_06.pdf
ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/disk1/sourceforge/o/op/openbravia/Datasheets/K9F1G08U0D_0.0.pdf
http://cse325.floorsoup.com/refdocs/hw_samsung_k4t1g044_ddr2_sdram.pdf

Whaddayareckon?! Do these look like test points?!

(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F13226994%2Fimg%2Fbthomehub4%2Fbthomehub4testpoints.png&hash=79dcd1cace76dc65f8f7387982fed53d5f935d55) (http://picturepush.com/public/13226994)

cheers, a