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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: covlad1987 on February 04, 2014, 05:39:03 PM

Title: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 04, 2014, 05:39:03 PM
not sure this is in the right place wondering if someone can help when i was adsl

Downstream:   54.93 Mbps
Upstream:   10.28 Mbps

1. Product name:   BT Home Hub
2. Serial number:
3. Firmware version:   Software version 4.7.5.1.83.8.173.1.6 (Type A) Last updated 04/02/14
4. Board version:   BT Hub 5A
5. VDSL uptime:   0 days, 06:59:45
6. Data rate:   10529 / 56252
7. Maximum data rate:   10789 / 54807
8. Noise margin:   6.2 / 5.8
9. Line attenuation:   0.0 / 20.5-------------- 1.4kilometer to exchange
10. Signal attenuation:   0.0 / 20.2-------------- 0.0
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: kitz on February 04, 2014, 09:14:58 PM
Sorry if I missed something, but Im not quite sure what info you are wanting, so Im going to assume that you are wanting us to have a look at your line stats.

>>> Line attenuation:   0.0 / 20.5-------------- 1.4kilometer to exchange

This will actually be distance to the green cab.   We havent yet been able to figure out how the HH5 calculates the attenuation, but Im guessing its measured at a certain fixed frequency of xkHz.   Most of the fttc modems measure across the individual bands, but since the engineers JDSU also gives the one figure, it wouldnt surprise me if its using the same tone as on adsl2+, because weve also seen some correlation that this figure seems to more or less equate to give what was distance to the exchange as distance to the cab.   We'd need to see more evidence yet though before we can say this for sure.

BE is probably your best bet for giving line stat indications, but it does look like youre not getting the full upstream possibly one of the bands isnt in use...  your SNRm doesnt seem to have any more to give.
To me the downstream that doesnt look too bad, I was looking at an FTTC line on sat which was only syncing at 33Mbps whilst the HH5 reported 19dB atten, but I suspect theres something physically wrong with that particular line and it should be getting 50Mb speeds, but I think it may be impacted and on a busy cab :/ 

What does BTw estimate for your line?   http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/btwchecker.htm

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on February 04, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
I'd be interested to see a screen shot of those stats from a HH5.

If you really are 1.4 km from the cabinet, with SNRM around 6 dB & overall DS attenuation of 20.5dB, your connection is achieving extremely high speeds.

My modem is around 1000m to 1100m from the cabinet & the highest sync speed my connection has ever achieved was around 35 Mbps & that was a long time ago, before assumed increased crosstalk from new users being added to the cabinet's DSLAM drove it down (in stages) to around 21 Mbps or so.

My HG612 modem has reported an overall DS attenuation value of 24.5 dB since its firmware was updated by BT.


These are the stats per band for my connection as obtained at 14:00 this afternoon:-

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Max: Upstream rate = 4993 Kbps, Downstream rate = 24168 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 4920 Kbps, Downstream rate = 21264 Kbps

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1196)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1932)
  VDSL Port Details   Upstream   Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate:      4993 kbps     24168 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:        6.6 dBm      12.7 dBm
====================================================================================
  VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3
  Line Attenuation(dB): 8.1 52.6   N/A   N/A   N/A 21.6 64.6   N/A
Signal Attenuation(dB): 8.1 52.0   N/A   N/A   N/A 30.2 64.4   N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 6.3 6.3   N/A   N/A   N/A 6.2 6.3   N/A
TX Power(dBm): -1.4 5.8   N/A   N/A   N/A 11.7 6.1   N/A

You can see that my connection's DS band D1 Signal is attenuated significantly more than Line attenuation (probably as a result of crosstalk).



Using your 20.5dB attenuation value in Kitz's Maximum adsl speed calculator,  does indeed produce an approximated line length of 1.4 km.

However, from analysing many VDSL2 connection stats, I would make a 'guesstimate' that your distance from the cabinet is more likely to be around 700m, possibly less.

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 05, 2014, 12:18:32 PM
Sorry if I missed something, but Im not quite sure what info you are wanting, so Im going to assume that you are wanting us to have a look at your line stats.

>>> Line attenuation:   0.0 / 20.5-------------- 1.4kilometer to exchange

This will actually be distance to the green cab.   We havent yet been able to figure out how the HH5 calculates the attenuation, but Im guessing its measured at a certain fixed frequency of xkHz.   Most of the fttc modems measure across the individual bands, but since the engineers JDSU also gives the one figure, it wouldnt surprise me if its using the same tone as on adsl2+, because weve also seen some correlation that this figure seems to more or less equate to give what was distance to the exchange as distance to the cab.   We'd need to see more evidence yet though before we can say this for sure.

BE is probably your best bet for giving line stat indications, but it does look like youre not getting the full upstream possibly one of the bands isnt in use...  your SNRm doesnt seem to have any more to give.
To me the downstream that doesnt look too bad, I was looking at an FTTC line on sat which was only syncing at 33Mbps whilst the HH5 reported 19dB atten, but I suspect theres something physically wrong with that particular line and it should be getting 50Mb speeds, but I think it may be impacted and on a busy cab :/ 

What does BTw estimate for your line?   http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/btwchecker.htm

hi that link is a problem if i use my phone number it only gives 1 but if i put my address it give me a load of info

Line attenuation:   0.0 / 20.5 is that to the green cabinet if so thats about 400 to 500 meters
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 05, 2014, 12:24:51 PM
got it to work on my phone number

this is from bttester
Download speedachieved during the test was - 37.3 Mbps
 For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 43.88 Mbps-54.85 Mbps .
 Additional Information:
 IP Profile for your line is - 54.85 Mbps
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: NewtronStar on February 05, 2014, 05:56:08 PM
Hi looking at your IP profile of 54.85 Mbps and comparing that to the BT speedtest of 37.3 Mbps you may be loosing 10-15 Mbps somewhere in your house  :-\, if you had an IP profile of say 39.0 Mbps then I would have said that's down to the DLM banding your line due to errors but in your case the IP Profile seems to match the availabilty checker (FTTC range B of high impacted 53 Mbps)

could I ask how long since you noticed a drop in downstream speed & what was the maxium downstream speed you have ever seen ?
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on February 05, 2014, 05:58:34 PM

got it to work on my phone number

 Additional Information:
 IP Profile for your line is - 54.85 Mbps



Using the rule that IP Profile is 96.79% of sync speed for VDSL2 services, your sync speed at the time of the test would have been 56.67 Mbps.

However, we have seen that IP Profile isn't always updated when the connection itself resyncs as VDSL2 resyncs can be so quick (less than 20 seconds) that the PPPoE session (& IP address) don't change.

BT's IP Profile needs a new PPPoE session to be initiated for it to refresh.

This was quite an issue before we discovered that as quite often, users could have a much higher 'stuck' IP Profile than actual sync speed.

This left users complaining that throughput was nowhere near IP profile & ISPs/BT arguing that there was nothing wrong.

In non-contended situations, with no external network issues, throughput should be around 94% to 97% of IP Profile.



We are not yet sure how accurately the HH5 used as a combined modem/router reports actual connection stats.

If you really wish to monitor your connection's performance over a period of time, confirming interleaving depth, error counts, SNRM fluctuations, timing of resyncs etc. you would need an unlocked Huawei HG612 modem & to use the HH5 as a router only.

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 05, 2014, 06:14:06 PM
Hi looking at your IP profile of 54.85 Mbps and comparing that to the BT speedtest of 37.3 Mbps you may be loosing 10-15 Mbps somewhere in your house  :-\, if you had an IP profile of say 39.0 Mbps then I would have said that's down to the DLM banding your line due to errors but in your case the IP Profile seems to match the availabilty checker (FTTC range B of high impacted 53 Mbps)

could I ask how long since you noticed a drop in downstream speed & what was the maxium downstream speed you have ever seen ?

just trying to find out what sort of speed il get after a 10day stable line
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on February 05, 2014, 06:23:19 PM
Are your speed tests carried out wirelessly or over ethernet cable between the HH5 & the testing PC?

There is usually quite a speed drop when conducting speed tests wirelessly.

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 06, 2014, 12:12:50 PM
Are your speed tests carried out wirelessly or over ethernet cable between the HH5 & the testing PC?

There is usually quite a speed drop when conducting speed tests wirelessly.

hi using ethernet cable

noticed a drop on the sync now down from 54mbps to 47mbps going to test on the master socket test plug


"Quiet Line Test" nothing no noise

just pluged the openreach modem in conntected to the router download speed dropped




Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 07, 2014, 11:18:44 AM
qst

what is the engineer ment to do i mean when i was with talktalk and sky he pluged something into the master socket and left came back pluged in the modem and my boardband worked nr on the right speed i was paying for

bt contractor comes asks for the bt hub asks me are you putting modem there yes made up a rj11 cable plugs it in makes sure internet works and leaves,,,,,,,,no line test never checks the green cabinet,,,,,,,,so i take it bt hub 5 is a plug and play
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: waltergmw on February 07, 2014, 12:50:08 PM
Hi Coviad,

BT Openreach's subcontractors use a modem and inverter at the PCP green cabinet just to see the DSL sync LED comes on.

They then remove your existing modem and just replace it with the new VDSL one PAYING NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER TO ANYTHING IN YOUR HOUSE EXCEPT THAT THERE IS A FILTER OF SOME SORT FITTED. Again they will run a speed test, usually not BT's - as part 2 will always fail until the job is recorded in BT's database as completed. If you try to complain about your achieved throughput they will say that the speed is a reasonable percentage of the forecast speed and then scarper !
Some do suggest you must wait 2 days or 14 days before contacting your ISPs help desk.
Some even say the speed will increase over time !

Whilst some may think this makes a mockery of trading standards, most of the subcontractors are given a target to install many services in a day.
It's hardly surprising they all need running shoes to escape the wrath of the end users !!

Kind regards,
Walter
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 07, 2014, 02:31:24 PM
Hi Coviad,

BT Openreach's subcontractors use a modem and inverter at the PCP green cabinet just to see the DSL sync LED comes on.

They then remove your existing modem and just replace it with the new VDSL one PAYING NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER TO ANYTHING IN YOUR HOUSE EXCEPT THAT THERE IS A FILTER OF SOME SORT FITTED. Again they will run a speed test, usually not BT's - as part 2 will always fail until the job is recorded in BT's database as completed. If you try to complain about your achieved throughput they will say that the speed is a reasonable percentage of the forecast speed and then scarper !
Some do suggest you must wait 2 days or 14 days before contacting your ISPs help desk.
Some even say the speed will increase over time !

Whilst some may think this makes a mockery of trading standards, most of the subcontractors are given a target to install many services in a day.
It's hardly surprising they all need running shoes to escape the wrath of the end users !!

Kind regards,
Walter

thankyou for the good advice there your right about one thing all need running shoes to escape the wrath of the end users !!

il wait 11 days before i lodge a complaint if my sync speed does go up
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 13, 2014, 08:51:34 PM
not sure this is in the right place wondering if someone can help when i was adsl

Downstream:   54.93 Mbps
Upstream:   10.28 Mbps

1. Product name:   BT Home Hub
2. Serial number:
3. Firmware version:   Software version 4.7.5.1.83.8.173.1.6 (Type A) Last updated 04/02/14
4. Board version:   BT Hub 5A
5. VDSL uptime:   0 days, 06:59:45
6. Data rate:   10529 / 56252
7. Maximum data rate:   10789 / 54807
8. Noise margin:   6.2 / 5.8
9. Line attenuation:   0.0 / 20.5-------------- 1.4kilometer to exchange
10. Signal attenuation:   0.0 / 20.2-------------- 0.0

still no better modem stats 10days later and still getting a bad speed when testing on bttester

4. Board version:   BT Hub 5A
5. VDSL uptime:   0 days, 00:14:47
6. Data rate:   11037 / 48793
7. Maximum data rate:   11198 / 56327
8. Noise margin:   6.1 / 6.4
9. Line attenuation:   0.0 / 20.5
10. Signal attenuation:   0.0 / 20.2

VDSL Line Status
Connection Information
Line state:   Connected
Connection time:   0 days, 00:15:17
Downstream:   47.65 Mbps
Upstream:   10.78 Mbps


Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 14, 2014, 04:46:16 PM
bt tec  Debpriya: You should be getting around 68 mbps  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


thay did ask me if a ran a test in safemode iv not,any reason why i should run in safemode ???????

iv ran a test in safemode and  :o
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 15, 2014, 02:18:55 PM
so it seems there is a problem so thay sending someone out on the 18th just wondering if there is a fault from  the master socket to router will i have to pay the £129. call out charge even if the contractor made the rj11 cable ?

other thing when asked why it will take 3 days i was told open reach do not work on saterday or sundays

what sort of checks do bt do when thay test for problems any thing to do with bt wholesale ie at the exchange
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: waltergmw on February 16, 2014, 08:06:27 AM
@ Coviad,

BT Openreach staff are, I believe, on a 5 out of 7 days rotating shift. Yesterday two vans were working in our Coneyhurst Lane. The managed to re-connect one user who had been without service for over a week and in so doing reduced one VDSL service from 17 Mbps down to around 2.5 Mbps and they also disconnected our longest D side VDSL service @ 2.25 km reducing 2.5 Mbps to a very crackly line and no VDSL at all.

Kind regards,
Walter
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 16, 2014, 11:01:47 AM
@ Coviad,

BT Openreach staff are, I believe, on a 5 out of 7 days rotating shift. Yesterday two vans were working in our Coneyhurst Lane. The managed to re-connect one user who had been without service for over a week and in so doing reduced one VDSL service from 17 Mbps down to around 2.5 Mbps and they also disconnected our longest D side VDSL service @ 2.25 km reducing 2.5 Mbps to a very crackly line and no VDSL at all.

Kind regards,
Walter

thankyou for that openreach being busy at this time due to this bad weather so will not put a complant in about the advisor saying thay dont come out at weekends


download 34mbps

upload       8mbps

ping 43

 

had a power cut this morning so checked my modem stats

VDSL uptime:    0 days, 02:44:02
6. Data rate:    12000 / 52809
7. Maximum data rate:    11629 / 56531
8. Noise margin:    3.7 / 5.0-------------------droped from 6.0 on both
9. Line attenuation:    0.0 / 20.1
10. Signal attenuation:    0.0 / 19.9-------slight drop from last night

 

 Line state:    Connected
Connection time:    0 days, 02:45:44
Downstream:    51.57 Mbps
Upstream:    11.72 Mbps

wondering if the problems at the exchange or the green cabinet again



Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: Black Sheep on February 16, 2014, 06:06:00 PM
For clarification ........... we work a 6-day roster shift (Mon-Sat). Sundays are always paid at OT rates.

Yes, we are experiencing extremely high fault volume rates at the moment, due to the incredibly unstable weather we are experiencing. Engineers are being moved around all over the UK dependant on skills and availability, so it is appreciated when EU's like 'covlad' understand, and apply common-sense appreciation of the situation at hand.

 :)

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: NewtronStar on February 16, 2014, 08:25:24 PM
Geez covlad1987's upload & download speeds are better than my broadband which does not have a fault, I am sure it won't hurt you to much to wait a bit longer for your line to be fixed  ;)
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 17, 2014, 12:42:40 AM
Geez covlad1987's upload & download speeds are better than my broadband which does not have a fault, I am sure it won't hurt you to much to wait a bit longer for your line to be fixed  ;)

should be ok on tuesday lol
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 18, 2014, 12:42:11 PM
Download speedachieved during the test was - 37.4 Mbps
 For your connection, the acceptable range of speeds is 44.19 Mbps-55.23 Mbps .
 Additional Information:
 IP Profile for your line is - 55.23 Mbps

ok openreach came out changed master socket lines tests losing around 20+ from cabinet to home according to openreach also saying this is down to the wires from cabinet to pole could be alloy 

on the map
black-------- home 57mbps
red ----------pole 57mbps
light green (cabinet) test 78mbps
dark green ----(cabinet)test 78mbps
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 18, 2014, 03:41:28 PM
iv no idea bttester says one thing bt speed test using there site say something else

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html?id=139273815531856651097
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: NewtronStar on February 18, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
iv no idea bttester says one thing bt speed test using there site say something else

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html?id=139273815531856651097

Looking at your FTTC cab and your DB pole as the crow flys thats 162 meters, but wondering if the copper/aluminium cable is going in the opposite direction from Cab to DB pole but that would put you as 969 meters from cab but that does not look right when looking at your data rate.

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: Black Sheep on February 18, 2014, 09:22:16 PM
It's approx. 207mtrs from the Cabinet to your DP. You would have to estimate the distance from this point to your NTE5. The route it takes is, from the Cabinet it crosses over Everdon Rd ( re-appearing near to to No.117), then basically follows the road round until it 'Tees off' from the main cable, and runs right down the dead centre of the grassed area to your DP. Cheers.
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 19, 2014, 10:15:35 AM
ok now im confused.com  :lol: :lol: is there anything that can be done openreach as checked everything apart from going up the pole

as far as i know bt have not closed

Fault summary

    Fault number:VOL051-2395975435430

    Date reported:14 February 2014

    Date closed:Open

    Product affected:Broadband fault

    Telephone number:xxxxxxxxxx


Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 19, 2014, 11:32:12 AM
phone bt calls as problem been fixed told him what openreach as done and said asked me to do a speed check using btwholesale test which a i did download speed 24mbps on a ip of 48 to 55mbps

advised me thay wait 48hrs to see if anything happens if nothing happen and the speed does not go up he will pass it back to openreach again

 

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: waltergmw on February 20, 2014, 12:50:01 AM
@ Coviad,

Although probably frowned upon, you might lean on the pole stay wire etc. if available, with a friend listening on a quiet line test for crackles.

Kind regards,
Walter
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 21, 2014, 12:00:30 PM
update
phone call from bt asking me if the fault been fixed my reply was you tell me thay asked me to run a test using bttester result shown reply back was hmmmmmmmmmmmm let me get the report from the person who came out on the 18th and il get back to you 


bt called back saying thay need to send openreach out again date 25th feb ???????

Hi Joe,

As per the conversation you had with my Supervisor, I have booked an engineer appointment on 25/02/2014 between 08:00-13:00 and I have also scheduled a call back the same day evening between 18:00-21:00 to follow up the case.

Thanks & Regards
Khaja
Digital Care-Complaints

im so temted to cancil my contract with them

oh before any comments about the speed is good im paying for a service of upto 76mbps and getting between 24mbps and 37mbps even talktalk sky fibre gave me a better speed at 40mbps

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 25, 2014, 01:58:10 PM
well openreach was ment to be out today 8am to 1pm not showed up but did just went on bttester and found something was donw this morning my download speed was 24mbps

update
openreach turned up 3pm yesterday

it seem my sync speed dropped from the 55mbps to 48mbps and openreach man says thats the max told him first openreach said to my home was 55mbps he went hmmmm im only going on what showing here thats ok showed him screen shots of router stats and bttester results then he left after finshed the job,,

phone call last night from bt asking if everything was ok told him yes BUT i wanted to know why my sync had dropped from 55mbps to 48mbps he said are you sure as your line should give give upto 63mbps says he going to monitor the line for 24hrs and make a few calls one to bt wholesale he also got the two reports from openreach and also see first openreach report saying 55mbps and seconds report 48mbps

one thing i have noticed about this from day one my stats was showing 6.0db on noise margin and twodays before the second openreach visit the noise margin when up to 6.4db and as stayed there and my sync speed dropped to 48mbps 49mbps this still as not changed

i know im going on about his but for 2 weeks sync was 55mbps and now its droped


Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on February 28, 2014, 11:04:25 AM
not happy from 55mbps to 47 48mbps is the max my line can hold so from home to first cabinet 209 yards away

5. VDSL uptime:   0 days, 07:26:49
6. Data rate:   9551 / 33944
7. Maximum data rate:   9719 / 39582-----and looks like its capped at 40mbps
8. Noise margin:   6.2 / 6.1
9. Line attenuation:   0.0 / 20.7
10. Signal attenuation:   0.0 / 19.6
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 03, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
this is becoming a joke now from sync of 55mbps and a ip profile of 49mbps and now down to this

Download speedachieved during the test was - 38.38 Mbps
 For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 31.22 Mbps-39.02 Mbps .
 Additional Information:
 IP Profile for your line is - 39.02 Mbps

Upload speed achieved during the test was - 6.54Mbps
 Additional Information:
 Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 20 Mbps
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 03, 2014, 12:54:21 PM
yesterday test and todays so now if i was still with talktalk and sky 40/10 id be happy

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: Chrysalis on March 03, 2014, 03:04:14 PM
no idea how far 200 yards is sorry but your attenuation is about 30% higher than mine so would guestimate approx 450-550m distance?
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 04, 2014, 09:54:14 AM
eather way bt capped my boardband thay say no we dont do that  :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: ok my bt so why am i not getting above 40mbps now when i was before
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 04, 2014, 12:17:55 PM
update

openreach  today

replaced the (faultymaster socket) that was put in on the 18th feb sync speed 26mbps he then did a ip profile reset sync speed upto 55mbps he
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: burakkucat on March 04, 2014, 04:13:05 PM
Result!  :)
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 04, 2014, 04:40:36 PM
Result!  :)

yes after 3 vists from openreach what pees me off is the first one fits new master socket and the second never picked up it was fualty and the 3rd one who was good changed the socket and did a ip profile reset lol

now im going to find out why my uploads not moved for 30 days and then speak to bt about about of compo  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

oh forgot this ones to the openreach guys on here

is it true you can not go up the poles with out the use of a cherry picker ?

and thankyou all who advised me over the last month
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: c6em on March 04, 2014, 05:15:39 PM
So far as I am aware from the state of the pole outside my house......

If the pole is out of its inspection routine time then this will be the case.
It is not the case that the pole is dangerous - it's just that is has not been inspected and passed off as OK within the required elapsed time and so cannot be climbed.
I recall there are markers on the post to indicate when it was inspected.
All that is required is an inspection to be done and if the pole passes then it can be climbed again.

There may be other issues relating to access and safety of course that in certain circumstances require a cherry picker van to be used regardless of the status of the pole itself.
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: burakkucat on March 04, 2014, 05:16:05 PM
is it true you can not go up the poles with out the use of a cherry picker ?

According to my understanding a pole can still be climbed in the traditional fashion as long as: (1) it has been inspected in the normal testing cycle and found to be free of defects (2) the technician performs the specified pre-climbing tests and is satisfied that the pole is still sound.
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 04, 2014, 06:47:03 PM
 :-X :-X :-X my router VDSL uptime 7hrs doing well here  :lol:
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: Black Sheep on March 04, 2014, 07:22:06 PM
Yeah, the lads above have pretty much covered it.

A 'Cherry-picker' would normally only be used if the pole is deemed un-climbeable. There's a variety of reasons this could be such, including being out of the 13yr test-cycle, no test label on show, low wires, a designated 'D' Pole (Dangerous), to much 'furniture' at the pole top. There are other categories as well such as 'H' (Hazard) Poles, 'SD' (Shallow Depth) poles …. etc ….. but the engineer has the last say in whether he climbs or not. It is down to his own personal risk assessment at that time, even if all other measures are met.



Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 04, 2014, 09:00:10 PM
cheers for the info on the poles lol

9hrs 24mins and still no resync doing good  :lol:

5. VDSL uptime:   0 days, 09:27:34
6. Data rate:   10674 / 56652
7. Maximum data rate:   11063 / 56792
8. Noise margin:   6.4 / 5.8

pigging thing resynced at 530am this morning  :no: :no:

Download speed : 65.27Mbps
Upload speed : 9.85Mbps

Download speed : 62.72Mbps
Upload speed : 9.95Mbps
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 06, 2014, 02:44:19 PM
5. VDSL uptime:   0 days, 21:20:37 :lol: :lol: :lol:
6. Data rate:   10909 / 56275
7. Maximum data rate:   11072 / 56889

i see my upload as not gone up  :no:
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 07, 2014, 10:17:38 AM
1 day 7 hrs still not resync doing well

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/139418726348664739874-mini.png

anyone no whats the burst thing is
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: renluop on March 07, 2014, 12:52:43 PM
Doesn't Nigel Farage want the poles to be repatriated? :D
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 07, 2014, 02:32:30 PM
Doesn't Nigel Farage want the poles to be repatriated? :D

iv no idea  :lol:
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 09, 2014, 05:01:49 PM
48hrs no resync doing well
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: NewtronStar on March 09, 2014, 07:28:29 PM
Thats Good News ;) & look after your master socket treat it like an expensive peice of kit  :P
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 11, 2014, 04:23:09 PM
wish ful thinking of download speed  :lol: :lol: just ran this test
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 14, 2014, 10:03:06 AM
pigging routers wondering if il make 4 days run time if  it does make 4 days it will resync 23hrs 30mins tomorrow

5. VDSL uptime:   3 days, 22:18:25
6. Data rate:   10487 / 56540,,,,,,,,?
7. Maximum data rate:   10901 / 58712,,,,,,,,,,,qst is this what the line will support
8. Noise margin:   6.4 / 5.5

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: burakkucat on March 14, 2014, 05:01:53 PM
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6. Data rate:   10487 / 56540

That is the current synchronisation speed between the cabinet MSAN and your modem, according to the modem. ~10.5 Mbps US, ~56.5 Mbps DS.

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7. Maximum data rate:   10901 / 58712

That will be the theoretical synchronisation speed of the circuit, all things being good, according to the modem. ~10.9 Mbps US, ~58.7 Mbps DS.

Note that I have attached the same rider to both -- according to the modem. Like all results when considered absolutely, a pinch of salt is often required.  ;)
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: Black Sheep on March 14, 2014, 05:39:21 PM
Crikey, you're right Mr Cat !!! I've just put some salt on my Hub and I've gained 2Meg !! Your knowledge know no boundaries, sir.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: burakkucat on March 14, 2014, 06:55:03 PM
 :P
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 15, 2014, 10:44:19 AM
a lump hammer works on a car but i would not try it on a router lol

cheers for the info
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on March 24, 2014, 10:42:35 AM
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6. Data rate:   10487 / 56540

That is the current synchronisation speed between the cabinet MSAN and your modem, according to the modem. ~10.5 Mbps US, ~56.5 Mbps DS.

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7. Maximum data rate:   10901 / 58712

That will be the theoretical synchronisation speed of the circuit, all things being good, according to the modem. ~10.9 Mbps US, ~58.7 Mbps DS.

Note that I have attached the same rider to both -- according to the modem. Like all results when considered absolutely, a pinch of salt is often required.  ;)


after 20 days ip-profile dropped from from 54mbps to 48mbps il keep an eye on this thinks dlm kicked in

router stats
5. VDSL uptime:   2 days, 20:38:57
6. Data rate:   10596 / 50054
7. Maximum data rate:   11011 / 62206
8. Noise margin:   6.4 / 6.4
9. Line attenuation:   0.0 / 20.5
10. Signal attenuation:   0.0 / 20.5

Downstream:   48.88 Mbps
Upstream:   10.35 Mbps
Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on April 01, 2014, 12:17:59 PM
just an update router keeps resync 5 visits from openreach final visit today work checked the hole by the dp checked 54mbps moves across the green tests there 68mbps so a loss of 12mbps just short of 50meters

ie nothing can be done about this

Title: Re: bt fibre 2
Post by: covlad1987 on April 28, 2014, 04:11:50 PM
just update

new bt hub 5 sent got bt coming out again 30th