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Broadband Related => ADSL Issues => Topic started by: kavichauhan on December 13, 2011, 02:12:27 PM
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Hello all, I hope there is someone out there that can help me!
I have a 2wire 1800 wireless router, and run 3 computers, PS3 and 2 mobile devices from this, with broadband provided by utility warehouse.
I have been experiencing loss of connection for months and have been putting up with it but now starting to become annoying!
The problem only happens however, when I am downloading something. I.e downloading a film, music, or even a update for my PS3. While downloading, internet connection is lost on all the other devices on the network, and you get the 'page cannot be displayed' error on the browser.
As soon as you pause the download, or stop it, everything is back on again as normal!
I have recently called utility warehouse but they could not solve the issue and suggested I try changing MTU setting on the router and the Channel. I have tried this but still the same.
I default setting for MTU was 1500 but I changed this to 1430 and also tried 1450.
My router will only allow channels 5 6 and 7, and I am on channel 6.
I would be really grateful if anyone can help me out or has any suggestions, if you need any more info please let me know!
Thanks again all!
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Hi and welcome
I think that this is most probably a limitation of the router. What seems to be happening is that any download completely saturates the throughput capacity of the router, and no other connected devices can get a look in. It's rather an old router, and probably isn't up to the task of handling the kind of usage you're asking of it.
But I could be wrong (it's happened before :) ) so maybe someone else has a better idea.
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Hi, thanks for your reply.
I know the router is quite old but I used it at my old house (on a bigger network) with a different ISP and it was fine! So I am sure the router is ok, but just needs some tweaking?!
Thanks
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The other possibility that occurs is that you are saturating your internet connection with the download. Could you copy your router stats here (attenuation, connection speed, noise margin) so we can see what sort of capacity it has.
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Hi,
Thanks for getting back to me. Router Stats are as follows -
DSL Connection Details
DSL Line (Wire Pair):Line 1 (inner pair)
Protocol:G.DMT Annex A
Downstream Rate:7488 kbps
Upstream Rate:896 kbps
Channel:Interleaved
Current Noise Margin:9.0 dB (Downstream), 10.0 db (Upstream)
Current Attenuation:19.8 dB (Downstream), 13.0 db (Upstream)
Current Output Power:19.8 dB (Downstream), 11.8 db (Upstream)
DSLAM Vendor Information:
Country: {0xB5} Vendor: {IFTN} Specific: {0xC671}
PVC Info:0/38
MTU is currently set to 1430, although I am not sure what the best MTU setting should be?!
Thanks again for your help.
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There's nothing in those stats to explain the problem. It could be something to do with traffic management by your ISP. Do they publish information about their traffic management?
I don't think MTU is likely to be the cause, but here's the Kitz advice on MTU: http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/MTU.htm
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I think UW supply via TalkTalk LLU if that explains anything....
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If that's the case it won't be easy to get meaningful information...
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Hi again,
Right, according to speedtest.net, my d/l speed is 3.83mbps and upload is 0.66mbps. Ping is 49ms.
It says an IP address just below and has 'TalkTalk' next to it - so yes UW do seem to use TalkTalk.
I cannot see any info about traffic management for UW I'm afraid?
I had a look at the MTU as you suggested earlier, using the guide on the website I should be using 1430 so I have set my router to this. I have also repointed both my computer and laptop to 1430 too as these were set at 1500. I have only just done this but cant see any difference in performance.
I just tried a download to see if it did the trick.....but no, Im still losing connection!
Might just try ringing UW and demanding they send me a new router seeing as they are offering free new routers to new customers!
Thanks again, but any more suggestions will be welcome!
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If, as HP says, your connection is essentially a resold TT LLU service, then the MTU should be set to 1432. :)
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@ KC,
Do be careful if you get a new router from them you might find you are locked into a contract for up to 18 Months.
Why not see what you can find on e-bay ?
Kind regards,
Walter
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Walter has raised a good point. If you like the 2Wire brand, I would suggest you look on eBay for a 2Wire 2700HG or 2700HG-B. They are not so plentiful as the ubiquitous 2700HGV but as they were not designed for a BT service, they are somewhat easier to configure than the 2700HGV.
Of course if you would like another, brand new, 2Wire 1800HG then please let me know. For the cost of the postage, you would be welcome to have it. ;)
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Hi all, thanks for your replies!
@waltergmw - I have been on the phone to them but they only offer a wired router for free so thats no good!
@burakkucat - The MTU seems to be working ok at 1430, if I have any issues though I will try 1432.
I was on the phone to UW yesterday for 40mins (half of which was after they closed?!) they were very helpful and did a series of tests on the line. They decreased the line speed then slowly put it back up again, in between I was asked to monitor connection and loss when downloading. Eventually they increased my speed back to 8mg which is what I pay for, and so far, fingers crossed it seems to be ok?! I'm not sure how long this will last however....
Thank for your suggestions with routers out there, I have to say I do like the 2wire range so may invest in one of the newer models as you guys have suggested. And if that still dont fix it, might just switch ISP!
Thanks again all, very much appreciated.
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Hi
perhaps you could try
Working out your maximum MTU (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/MTU2.htm)
and see what comes up
Regards Jeff
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Hi all, thanks for your replies!
@waltergmw - I have been on the phone to them but they only offer a wired router for free so thats no good!
I take it then that wireless is essential to you, as it is to most of us, for use with laptops, iPods, etc.
But are you using a wireless connection for these big downloads that seem to cause a problem? If so, then I'd speculate that the wireless connection may be a major part of the problem...
Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
Another thought................. Isn't that model 802.11b only?
Whilst that's "nominally" 11mbps, we all know that in the real world you'll get nothing like that in throughput, especially with multiple wireless devices connected.
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Walter has raised a good point. If you like the 2Wire brand, I would suggest you look on eBay for a 2Wire 2700HG or 2700HG-B. They are not so plentiful as the ubiquitous 2700HGV but as they were not designed for a BT service, they are somewhat easier to configure than the 2700HGV.
A hack of the 270x series is in the pipeline. It should allow the 2Wires to be flashed with alternative firmware.
cheers, a
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Hi all, thanks again for your thoughts.
@HPSauce - The router is b/g upto to 54mbps but as you say you dont get anything close to that!
Since my last post I don't seem to be having any issues, it all seems to be working ok...? I haven't tried the PS3 yet mind but I currently have a download on while browsing the net!
The only problem now is my d/l speed seems to have dropped dramatically, but browsing seems to be the same.
Im running a p2p program, usually average 200-300 kbps but now I'm getting close to 10kbps on average!
Any ideas anyone?!
Thanks all
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I'm still unclear, are you using wired or wireless connections for these downloads (and for the speed measurements)?
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Sorry I am using wireless, have only ever used wireless.
I cant use a wired connection as my phone point is downstairs and my computer is upstairs!
Thanks
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Sorry I am using wireless, have only ever used wireless.
I cant use a wired connection as my phone point is downstairs and my computer is upstairs!
Thanks
You're welcome to borrow my drill!
cheers, a
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The trouble is, whilst I accept there are some circumstances in which WiFi is the only realistic compromise, it can be difficult to know whether you are dealing with a WiFi problem or a DSL one. The fact you say all was well in your old house may be consistent with a WiFi problem, because different houses are built of different materials, and different houses have different neighbours who may be competing with you for the WiFi spectrum. I have a 54g home network, as well as a wired LAN. Video distribution doesn't really work for me over WiFi, it needs the wired LAN. That's usually around 10MBit/s, which is not much more than you are trying to push through your own WiFi.
If WiFi is found to be the problem then one long term solution might be homeplugs. I've never used them myself and personally I have some reservations about security, but plenty of highly respected forum members speak highly of them so I suspect they are absolutely fine. But they would also be quite an expensive experiment and, as we don't know either WiFi or DSL is causing the problems, there's a chance they may not help your specific problem.
Is there any chance that, even as a temporary measure, you could connect via ethernet just to see if the situation improves? Options would be (ugh!) move the PC closer to the phone socket, or borrow a nice long ethernet cable that you can temporarily trail through the house? Another experimental option might be a long phone extension so you could move the router temporarily upstairs, but you'd need to keep an eye on the DSL stats to make sure the extra wiring doesn't degrade the DSL.
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Another experimental option might be a long phone extension so you could move the router temporarily upstairs, but you'd need to keep an eye on the DSL stats to make sure the extra wiring doesn't degrade the DSL.
>:D
You might as well use a LAN cable and avoid any potential problems.
As I think I've said elsewhere I've used CW1308 4-core twisted-pair phone cable as LAN cable very successfully as 100mbit ethernet only needs 4 cores. It's much less obvious and in my case SWMBO hasn't even noticed it at all! :lol:
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Hi all,
I decided to go out and buy myself a new router.......and everything is working as it should and my connection is much faster than it has ever been before!
I guess the 2wire router was just a bit dated, got myself a new ADSL2+ N Range router, and wish I got one a lot sooner!
Thank you all for your help and suggestions anyway, you have all been great!
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That's great. :)
Which router did you get?
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I got the Netgear DGN1000. I read some mixed reviews, but thought I would take a chance. Most people complained about setting them up, but I was up and running within 10mins and I spent most of that time looking for my ISP password!
Downstream into the Router from the line is now 11.1mg and I am averaging speeds according to speedtest.net on all 3 of my computers on the network of 9.5mg - much better than before!
Thanks
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That's a big improvement.