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Announcements => News Articles => Topic started by: Ixel on January 31, 2015, 01:27:28 PM

Title: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: Ixel on January 31, 2015, 01:27:28 PM
Yes, there's a but! It's still a trial and so is only being rolled out to 100 cabinets apparently - those of which are currently unknown. Expected to complete by the end of March. I wonder if this is why I saw two engineers with lots of equipment working at the fiber cabinet here recently (though the odds of that are unlikely, I don't think it was capacity issues either as I tend to regularly check the BTW's DSL availability checker to see if my estimates have changed and that gave no indication of a capacity problem). There's a possibility that BT will only use vectoring on cabinets which have a certain amount of lines connected (to reduce costs obviously), rather than roll it out to all.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/01/bt-extend-uk-vectoring-trials-fix-fttc-fibre-broadband-speeds.html

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6811-openreach-vectoring-trial-to-expand-to-100-cabinets.html
Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: Ronski on January 31, 2015, 07:10:46 PM
I don't think it was capacity issues either as I tend to regularly check the BTW's DSL availability checker to see if my estimates have changed and that gave no indication of a capacity problem).

If you are only checking your estimate and you have FTTC you will not see any capacity problems. I've come across this in the past when somebody local couldn't order due to lack of capacity, but when checking someone else's line on the same cab who did have FTTC broadband it showed it as available.
Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: Ixel on January 31, 2015, 07:11:58 PM
I don't think it was capacity issues either as I tend to regularly check the BTW's DSL availability checker to see if my estimates have changed and that gave no indication of a capacity problem).

If you are only checking your estimate and you have FTTC you will not see any capacity problems. I've come across this in the past when somebody local couldn't order due to lack of capacity, but when checking someone else's line on the same cab who did have FTTC broadband it showed it as available.

Ah interesting, didn't realise that. So it may still have been a capacity reason.
Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: jizzerman on January 31, 2015, 08:53:14 PM
You can still check for capacity if you just use the address checker with your house number and postcode only.

http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/ADSLChecker.address

That's how I know the two 96 port fibre cabinets in my brand new estate are constantly maxed out.
Gotta love massive under-provisioning :)
Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: loonylion on January 31, 2015, 09:55:08 PM
tried it, I don't see anything about capacity. I do however note that it says availability date 04 feb 15 when I've had it since november 2013 :P
Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: jizzerman on January 31, 2015, 10:03:39 PM
Yeah, that means your cabinet likely has little or no capacity, else it would be available to order for others in your postcode.
I had to watch the status on mine like a hawk, then order fibre on the day it became available.
Guess someone cancelled and I jumped in :) after 3 attempts.
Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: Ixel on January 31, 2015, 10:31:22 PM
Come to think of it, I remember checking my address too and it still said available too. So maybe it wasn't related! :D
Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: Black Sheep on February 01, 2015, 09:15:37 AM
You can still check for capacity if you just use the address checker with your house number and postcode only.

http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/ADSLChecker.address

That's how I know the two 96 port fibre cabinets in my brand new estate are constantly maxed out.
Gotta love massive under-provisioning :)

You can't 'over-provision' if you are running a business. There is no possible way for a planner building a job-pack for a FTTC, to know what the up-take of the product will be ??
I work in these cabs every day, and I personally can only think of two Cabs (out of hundreds), that reached saturation pretty quickly. The 'relief' work was carried out approx. 1yr later.  :)

Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: pooclah on February 01, 2015, 05:13:37 PM
You can still check for capacity if you just use the address checker with your house number and postcode only.

Seems my cab is full
"FTTC is currently not available on this cabinet due to following reasons:- Sorry your cabinet is temporarily unavailable, capacity will be restored as soon as possible."

But the bad news for me is that it doesn't seem long before I get hit by some more crosstalk.  I hope the vevtoring trial doesn't take long.

Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: WWWombat on February 01, 2015, 05:59:27 PM

Seems my cab is full
"FTTC is currently not available on this cabinet due to following reasons:- Sorry your cabinet is temporarily unavailable, capacity will be restored as soon as possible."

All you can tell is that it has run of some kind of resource.

It could still have empty slots, and be waiting for a new card to be added. It could have used all the pairs in the tie-cable to the PCP, and be waiting for some more. Or it could be full, and a whole new cab is needed.
Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: pooclah on February 01, 2015, 06:51:39 PM
Yep possibly.  Either way it's going to mean more crosstalk and more lines effected (I’ve already lost 30Mbps of attainable over the last couple of years) so I’ll be happy to see vectoring fully rolled out.
Title: Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets
Post by: KIAB on February 02, 2015, 03:47:40 PM
Over at 'Thinkbroadband' there is news about Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets , is there any list available showing where these cabinets will be.
Would be nice if they picked my cabinet in Bath. :lol:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6811-openreach-vectoring-trial-to-expand-to-100-cabinets.html
Title: Re: Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets
Post by: NewtronStar on February 02, 2015, 05:53:46 PM
It's is a pitty out of the 100 FTTC cabinets on trial there is a not one user thats a member on the Kitz forum and why are the lucky trialist not coming out and giving there reviews  ::)
Title: Re: Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets
Post by: Chrysalis on February 02, 2015, 06:18:42 PM
apparently is over 55k cabinets so 100 is a very small %, probably is why.

Also only techies would probably notice.
Title: Re: Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets
Post by: Black Sheep on February 02, 2015, 06:45:07 PM
As Chrys said ^^^^
Title: Re: Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets
Post by: Bald_Eagle1 on February 02, 2015, 06:58:41 PM
It's is a pitty out of the 100 FTTC cabinets on trial there is a not one user thats a member on the Kitz forum

How do you know that?

Is a downloadable list of the 100 cabinets now in circulation?

Title: Re: Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets
Post by: Ixel on February 02, 2015, 08:37:16 PM
Over at 'Thinkbroadband' there is news about Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets , is there any list available showing where these cabinets will be.
Would be nice if they picked my cabinet in Bath. :lol:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6811-openreach-vectoring-trial-to-expand-to-100-cabinets.html

This was already posted in the news section on this website (by me), can this thread perhaps be merged?
Title: Re: Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets
Post by: NewtronStar on February 02, 2015, 10:44:29 PM
It's is a pitty out of the 100 FTTC cabinets on trial there is a not one user thats a member on the Kitz forum

How do you know that?

Is a downloadable list of the 100 cabinets now in circulation?

I just find it odd with 100 FTTC cabinets that have vectoring installed there is no solid evidence thats it's actually happening.

GEZZ the way the internet works you can fart and then it's being tweeted all over the world in a few minutes  ;)
Title: Re: BT Openreach to rollout vectoring from February 2015, but..
Post by: roseway on February 02, 2015, 10:51:16 PM
Topics merged
Title: Re: Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets
Post by: KIAB on February 03, 2015, 01:49:00 PM
Over at 'Thinkbroadband' there is news about Openreach vectoring trial to expand to 100 cabinets , is there any list available showing where these cabinets will be.
Would be nice if they picked my cabinet in Bath. :lol:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6811-openreach-vectoring-trial-to-expand-to-100-cabinets.html

This was already posted in the news section on this website (by me), can this thread perhaps be merged?

 

I missed it being posted in News. :-[