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Broadband Related => Telephony Wiring + Equipment => Topic started by: Broadband1 on July 20, 2008, 10:03:28 PM
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Hey everyone I've been away for a while due to some well lets just say "Social Disputes". I kept a RSS feed on this site so nothing was lost. Anyways I descovered a a new Device from BT built to improve phone lines :( called the iPlate I know it sounds like a device from apple but have a look.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/3461-new-tool-on-its-way-to-bt-wholesale-armoury.html
If I read it properly it says it adds interference to the ADSL Signal ??? :-X
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Yes, the iPlate is basically a filter on the ring wire, so it stops the ring wire from introducing interference into the ADSL signal. It has the same effect as disconnecting the ring wire, but without disconnecting it.
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So it's basically a way of doing something whilst killing your wallet a little :no: meh me no need iPlate me phone line good (my phone line is good and i dont need it) :D :D
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I kept a RSS feed on this site so nothing was lost.
Where is the RSS link on this site?
Or can you post the link here for me please.
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http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml
theres the one that shows for me. :) With that you don't need to log into the site to see the new posts :clap2: :clap: But you will need to subscribe to the feed on IE or MF (Onternet Explorer) or (Mozilla Firefox)
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Ditto.
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml
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Thanks ppl, that works a treat.
I had looked in the past but never came across a RSS feed.
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Hmm I just saw a blaintant spelling mistake :P
With that you don't need to log into the site to see the new posts :clap2: :clap: But you will need to subscribe to the feed on IE or MF (Onternet Explorer) or (Mozilla Firefox)
Lucky you guys didn't pick up on this and how did you guys not notice the RSS button :lol:
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All the time I've been on this forum I have never seen a RSS button, not that it sould matter as i don't understand what RSS is or how to use it.
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If you don't understand RSS then.
http://www.whatisrss.com/
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0klgLsSxGsU
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I think I'll pass, I've survived all this time without it, so I don't really need to know.
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all right then. I'll keep my modern ways all to myself 8) 8)
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Fine.
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RSS feeds send you notifications (similar to emails) when a page has been updated with new information.
Such as BBC news etc.
Each individual page can have a separate feed, so the link above is for Kitz main page showing new or/and updated information for all the pages/posts.
However, if this is not what you want you could just select a feed for a specific page, for argument sake the Windows page, so you would be notified of any new content only to that section of the forum, but not to any of the other sections.
To receive updates a small program (of which there are quite a few) is required.
Personally I use a program called "FeedReader 3"
To download or see more info:
http://www.feedreader.com/?fromfr
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Fine.
Harsh Floydy harsh :thumbdown:
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>> from BT built to improve phone lines Sad called the iPlate I know it sounds like a device
Theres been a little bit of info on the main site about the iplate since January at the bottom of the low SNR (http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/lowSNR.htm) page.
Theres also more in depth info here too:-
http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm
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Removing the ring wire: Do I understand correctly that if I have installed an adsl filtered NTE5 faceplate (ADSLNation), I may disconnect the ring wire from pin 3 and the phones will still ring and furthermore, I will not then need an iPlate?
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If you have a filtered faceplate then there's nothing more to do - neither adding the iPlate nor disconnecting the ring wire will make any difference.
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Just to clarifi
If theres an issue with the dsl signal the typical cause is the internal wiring. and the most common cause here is the bell wire.
The newer openreach logoed nte's have a small suppessor in the face plate for the bell wire
The I-plate is a retro fit plate which any end user can fit themselves IF the bellwire is causing a difference in performance then the same suppressor comes into effect due to the I-plate with an older nte.
If the other 2 wires are causing a performance issue then the full dsl-ssfp front plate can be used, this plate takes care of any issues with the bell wire and the other 2 wires. the I-plate wouldn't make any difference here.
Either front plate means with the bell wire connected your extention sockets will still ring, dissconecting the bell wire with one of these plates will make no difference to your dsl signal (except with the exception of a few phones, none will ring in an extention on an incomming call with tis wire disconnected)
"Do I need either type of front plate?" First have you any extentions comming from the master socket, if no the you don't need the plate.
Do you get a difference in performance by plugging your router/modem into the test socket in comparison to the extentions connected, then yes one of the plates may make a difference.
To find out which you need, disconnect any bell wires (in termination no.3) and try your broadband with the extentions connected. If the result is the same as the results in the test socket, you need the I-plate, if dissconnecting thebell wire only hasn't given the same result as in the test socket, you need the full dsl-ssfp
Either plate you'lld want the bellwire connected
If you find you do get a satisfactory result by disconnecting the bell wire with the extentions connected then you can leave the bell wire disconnected before you get your hands on either plate, you'll still get the phones ringing in the extentions if you still have your microfilters plugged-in
;D
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Ezzer comments touch on one concern I have about cutting the bellwire...
As I see it, it's 'my' wire on my side of the master skt, so I can cut it if I want. I can't help thinking however that if BT Engineer is subsequently called out on some unrelated issue, he might be miffed - at least to the point of being a bit grumpy - when he finds the internal wiring's 'non-standard'?
Since explaining to a few (non-technical) neighbours how much benefit I saw from cutting my bell wire, they've been asking me to cut theirs too. I tend to offer to cut the wire and see if it helps, but then reconnect and, if it did any good, tell them to buy an I-Plate.
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Ezzer comments touch on one concern I have about cutting the bellwire...
As I see it, it's 'my' wire on my side of the master skt, so I can cut it if I want. I can't help thinking however that if BT Engineer is subsequently called out on some unrelated issue, he might be miffed - at least to the point of being a bit grumpy - when he finds the internal wiring's 'non-standard'?
Since explaining to a few (non-technical) neighbours how much benefit I saw from cutting my bell wire, they've been asking me to cut theirs too. I tend to offer to cut the wire and see if it helps, but then reconnect and, if it did any good, tell them to buy an I-Plate.
Your spot on with the face the bell wire as with all the wiring on the back of any faceplate is yours and yes if disconnecting the bell wire improves things then the I-plate should be fitted. also worth testing with and without the intenal wiring before and after disconnecting the bell wire as the bell wire may be none or part of the diference in performance, in which case go for the full dsl-ssfp front plate if your ok with your broadband only working from the master socket
As for getting miffed with non standard wiring, finding the bell wire dissconected is ok, finding the wiring has been terminated increadibly short so its a chore to reterminate the wiring back on the face plate or a combnation of all different coloured wires in all the terminations, or pet pee on the socket or drenched in the carpet around... that will miff an engineer
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I can entirely see how the i-plate can be useful and i'm right in thinking that if i customer has an internally filtered socket then an iplate is useless right?
I have fitted iplates to customers sockets and one of my own at home and I find them a very useful tool. People who know what they are doing with their mastersockets may laugh and say it's a waste of money but for the standard user (ie - most of our customers) they avoid potential disasters with people clipping wires left right and centre without a clue.
They have their place basically and in some instances they may well make a big difference. Just my two cents.
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if i customer has an internally filtered socket then an iplate is useless right?
If the user has a filtered master socket faceplate, then yes, the iPlate will make no difference. All the iPlate does is filter the ring wire, which is a good alternative to cutting the ring wire (and still allows the ring wire to perform its intended purpose). But a filtered faceplate already puts a filter between the ring wire and the ADSL connection, so the iPlate is superfluous.
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:thumbs:
Thanks very much roseway, i thought as much but just had someone from an ISP tell me otherwise. Neer mind.
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someone from an ISP tell me otherwise
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That sometimes occurs if the ISP happens to sell the I-plates. :/
As roseway has said the i-plate just isolates the ring wire.. therefore if its already been removed, or isolated via an adsl filtered NTE5 then there isnt any point.
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I removed my ring wire the other day and my SNR went up a liitle.
All phones still work and I have no adsl filtered NTE5.
Mind you my line seemed OK anyway but on a fixed 2meg but as I may be changing to MAXdsl soon I thought I would see if the ring wire removal made any difference.
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv708%2FB0XS%2FRouterStats.jpg&hash=b0c4057fadaf15866c7908aa89b1b23ed0602e08)
No those lines are the stats, can't get more stable than a straight line. :)
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>> can't get more stable than a straight line
looks good :)
Although historically evenings are when SNRM fluctuates the most.
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snr at 28db and it's a constant 28db looks very good, should stand you in very good sead for a max/rate adaptive service. Should nice and fast and reliable ;D
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>> can't get more stable than a straight line
looks good :)
Although historically evenings are when SNRM fluctuates the most.
The SNR never changes by more than 2 any time of the day, the speed is always a straight line.
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I'm quite jealous of your line then!!
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This is as bad as it gets:
And it's an evening one.
Thought I would add at the moment I am using a BT2700HGV router with SBC 4.25.19 firmware that I paid £2 on Ebay for, I have another but that cost me £4. :)
(https://forum.kitz.co.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv708%2FB0XS%2FRouterStats_2.jpg&hash=645b8b7ecb4fd6e06d1567a5e048f1923067f583)
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lol... show off :(
Those 2wire routers are very good - I've never used one, but I'd be interested to try one out actually.
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lol... show off :(
Those 2wire routers are very good - I've never used one, but I'd be interested to try one out actually.
If you are going to get one off Ebay or anywhere else make sure you know what one to get, do not get the newer versions.
Read through this site a few times and all will become clear:
http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/ir1002700HGV.htm
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Useful link that - cheers.
I'd heard that there was no known way to unlock the newer ones, which is one reason I hadn't got around to getting one yet.