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Broadband Related => ISPs => Topic started by: cappa on February 23, 2023, 03:11:29 PM

Title: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: cappa on February 23, 2023, 03:11:29 PM: I play CSGO and im with Sky FTTP 150 package.

I'm from Belfast Northern Ireland and the CSGO server is in London. My latency is 51ms which i believe is pretty high for an FTTP connection.

This is where my understanding might be a little off.
I'm wondering if I can get my latency lower than 51ms?

I understand latency is based on how far my computer is from the game server or is it the exchange I'm connected to with ISP?

Also would a VPN connecting through London solve this?
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: Starman on February 23, 2023, 03:16:50 PM: Curious do you have the IP address of the server concerned to perform a traceroute?
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: cappa on February 23, 2023, 03:25:27 PM: i do indeed

162.254.196.85

when i use cmd in windows it comes back 18ms and ttl 60
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: Starman on February 23, 2023, 03:33:51 PM: Can you please run a trace within cmd window -
Code: [Select]
tracert 162.254.196.85
Do you play over Wi-Fi or Wired connection?

As an example here's mine via BT FTTP -

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Tracing route to 162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms gateway [192.168.1.254] 2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.16.13.246 3 * * * Request timed out. 4 4 ms 3 ms 3 ms 31.55.185.184 5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms core2-hu0-2-0-5.colindale.ukcore.bt.net [195.99.127.116] 6 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms peer8-et-7-0-4.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [62.172.103.176] 7 6 ms 7 ms 4 ms 109.159.253.167 8 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85] Trace complete.
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: cappa on February 23, 2023, 03:53:12 PM: Quote from: Starman on February 23, 2023, 03:33:51 PM
Can you please run a trace within cmd window -
Code: [Select]
tracert 162.254.196.85
Do you play over Wi-Fi or Wired connection?

As an example here's mine via BT FTTP -

Code: [Select]
Tracing route to 162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms gateway [192.168.1.254] 2 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.16.13.246 3 * * * Request timed out. 4 4 ms 3 ms 3 ms 31.55.185.184 5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms core2-hu0-2-0-5.colindale.ukcore.bt.net [195.99.127.116] 6 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms peer8-et-7-0-4.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [62.172.103.176] 7 6 ms 7 ms 4 ms 109.159.253.167 8 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85] Trace complete.

I'm wired

Tracing route to 162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms SkyRouter.Home [192.168.0.1]
2 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 97e7fc1c.skybroadband.com [151.231.252.28]
3 18 ms 17 ms 17 ms 02780d20.bb.sky.com [2.120.13.32]
4 30 ms 35 ms 17 ms 162-254-196-144.valve.net [162.254.196.144]
5 18 ms 18 ms 18 ms 162-254-196-85.valve.net [162.254.196.85]

Trace complete.
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: cappa on February 23, 2023, 08:54:47 PM: What do these results mean?
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: dee.jay on February 23, 2023, 09:09:05 PM: david@ns1:/etc/snmp$ traceroute 162.254.196.85
traceroute to 162.254.196.85 (162.254.196.85), 64 hops max
1 192.168.144.254 0.267ms 0.138ms 0.133ms
2 90.155.53.211 14.471ms 9.233ms 14.111ms
3 90.155.53.101 9.533ms 14.620ms 10.037ms
4 195.66.226.130 15.012ms 10.148ms 16.081ms
5 192.168.134.197 10.821ms 13.020ms 12.579ms
6 162.254.196.85 12.299ms 12.319ms 12.227ms

Wired from 100Mbits bonded FTTC in South Wales ^^
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: Alex Atkin UK on February 23, 2023, 09:46:55 PM: Quote from: cappa on February 23, 2023, 08:54:47 PM
What do these results mean?

Absolutely nothing as according to this post on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/8hfrxx/comment/dyjfhxj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), Valve use relay servers so were only pinging that relay, not the server itself.

So there's really nothing you can do here.
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: dee.jay on February 23, 2023, 10:37:39 PM: Quote from: Alex Atkin UK on February 23, 2023, 09:46:55 PM
Absolutely nothing as according to this post on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/8hfrxx/comment/dyjfhxj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), Valve use relay servers so were only pinging that relay, not the server itself.

So there's really nothing you can do here.

Other than physically moving house....
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: meritez on February 24, 2023, 09:29:16 AM: Quote from: Alex Atkin UK on February 23, 2023, 09:46:55 PM
Absolutely nothing as according to this post on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/8hfrxx/comment/dyjfhxj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3), Valve use relay servers so were only pinging that relay, not the server itself.

So there's really nothing you can do here.

agreed, my traceroute is the same as the OP
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: cappa on February 24, 2023, 02:55:55 PM: Thanks everyone for the suggestions and guidance.

I decided to look at tweaking my network adapter to see what I can achieve.
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: craigski on February 24, 2023, 03:49:23 PM: Quote from: cappa on February 24, 2023, 02:55:55 PM
I decided to look at tweaking my network adapter to see what I can achieve.
I doubt that will help, if you look at your trace route the next hop (line 2), is ~3ms, so you will not improve anything 'tweaking' local network.

I'm not a gamer, but I did read the link @alex posted. Did I read it correctly, game servers are adding artificial latency to ensure game play is fairer, ie to average out latency for gamers on different networks?
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: bogof on February 24, 2023, 07:08:02 PM: Quote from: craigski on February 24, 2023, 03:49:23 PM
I doubt that will help, if you look at your trace route the next hop (line 2), is ~3ms, so you will not improve anything 'tweaking' local network.

I'm not a gamer, but I did read the link @alex posted. Did I read it correctly, game servers are adding artificial latency to ensure game play is fairer, ie to average out latency for gamers on different networks?
That would seem eminently sensible to be honest.
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: cappa on February 25, 2023, 12:23:46 AM: Quote from: craigski on February 24, 2023, 03:49:23 PM
I doubt that will help, if you look at your trace route the next hop (line 2), is ~3ms, so you will not improve anything 'tweaking' local network.

I'm not a gamer, but I did read the link @alex posted. Did I read it correctly, game servers are adding artificial latency to ensure game play is fairer, ie to average out latency for gamers on different networks?

Can you explain what the traceroute is showing us on each hop?
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: tubaman on February 25, 2023, 11:41:40 AM: Quote from: cappa on February 25, 2023, 12:23:46 AM
Can you explain what the traceroute is showing us on each hop?

This may assist - https://resrequest.helpspot.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=437
Title: Re: SKY FTTP - gaming latency advice
Post by: cappa on February 25, 2023, 10:37:49 PM: Quote from: tubaman on February 25, 2023, 11:41:40 AM
This may assist - https://resrequest.helpspot.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=437

Thank you!