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Computers & Hardware => Networking => Topic started by: michty_me on January 17, 2019, 08:49:48 PM
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I'm in the process of moving my network into my cupboard and only one item left to 'sort' which is the modem.
If you look at the attached picture (excuse the mess), I have the Zyxel in the master socket. The cupboard is directly behind the wall the master socket is on.
I'm considering three options which are:
1. Moving the master or have a very short extension socket through to the other side and plugging the modem in the cupboard too.
2. Fit a network port on each side of the wall which leaves the modem where it is.
3. Cut a notch out the bottom of the master socket and just have a dangling Ethernet cable from the bottom. I believe another member on here done similar.
I'm a bit of a neat freak sometimes so at present I would probably look at option 1.
I'll need to change my Zyxel to one cable for DSLstats as I'm currently using two.
What would you do or any other ideas that I've probably missed.
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Hi
Please be aware of fire risk inside of cupboard and I think there are regulations for this.
That aside, and your intent on placing equipment inside cupboard, I would move master socket inside and also route your line cable inside. Then plaster over where master socket was
Many thanks
John
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I did have a look but could not locate anything concrete about it.
All that will be in there is an Edgerouter X and a network switch. I may fit a smoke alarm to be on the same side actually.
I may just get a blanking plate if for whatever reason I decide to put it back to the original place. Looking at it written out, it seems the most logical way.
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hopefully you'll be removing that death trap of a block adapator!
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Absolutely!
That was just a temporary solution until I sorted this all out. It ended up staying like that for some time :-[
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Remove the NTE5C and drill straight through the backing box into the cupboard, etc. Relocate the NTE5C and the Mk 4 SSFP. Fit a blanking plate where the NTE5C is currently situated.
Have three double-gang mains sockets installed in the cupboard. At some time in the future you will need to inspect the equipment and so a free socket, to allow a lamp to be plugged, in will be essential.
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That makes it sound very easy!! Should manage that in about 10-15 mins.
Good idea about the extra sockets too!! I'll fit extra as I'm doing that this weekend also! Thanks Bcat ;D
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I actually fitted a light in my under stairs cupboard, makes reading the meters much easier.
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I do get quite a bit of light into the cupboard from my kitchen but a light probably would be my best bet!!
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Just had a thought, if I move the master to the cupboard, I'll have to move the phone base there also and provide power there too.
May just put a phone extension where the master currently is.
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I suspect that you might need to run two short lengths of CW1308 specification cable from the existing backing box (where the NTE5C & Mk 4 SSFP are currently sited) into the cupboard. One pair in the first cable crimped onto the existing lead-in which then feeds the re-sited NTE5C. One pair from the second cable to be your supply from the telephony end-user terminals of the NTE5C to the extension socket now fitted from whence the NTE5C was removed.
Two separate cables, for the usage of the cable on the Openreach side of the NTE5 for back-wiring to the end-user's extension socket is "frowned upon". :)
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That's what I was thinking on doing.
Been stuck in that cupboard punching down cat5e cables and fitting trunking since 4pm. I'll do the relocation on Saturday or Sunday. My back is getting sore now so I think it is time to medicate with a couple of beers.
Thanks again B*Cat.
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Quick question regarding this.
I've since found what must have been my original master socket hidden by the front door. Inside it is two gel crimps attached to the cable feeding the existing master socket which then runs under the house to the current location.
Are gel crimps still the correct standard for extending cables at BT?
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Are gel crimps still the correct standard for extending cables at BT?
Openreach (not Beattie) . . . yes, just so long as they are not "blue beans".
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Openreach (not Beattie) . . . yes, just so long as they are not "blue beans".
Ah yes! My apologies. I do of course mean Openreach.
That is good to know. Thanks!
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Could I pick your brain once more on this.
As I mentioned a few posts back, The line comes in beside the front door where it is jelly crimped to CW1308 cable to the master socket in the hallway.
Because I have to extend this to the new location, Would I be best to pull in a new length of CW1308 cable to the new location to save having two sets of jelly crimped cables along the short run?
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. . . be best to pull in a new length of CW1308 cable to the new location to save having two sets of jelly crimped cables along the short run?
Yes. That is what I would do, if I was in your situation. Just make sure that the new cable is made with 100% solid copper conductors.
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Yes. That is what I would do, if I was in your situation. Just make sure that the new cable is made with 100% solid copper conductors.
Yes of course!!
I thought that would be the best way. Before I left for work, I pulled off the cover and could see the existing run of cw1308 appears to run across the back of a power socket so need to reroute this when I pull in the new length.
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If the telephony/broadband signal carrying cable has to cross over a mains cable, as there is no alternative route, it is best to ensure that they cross at ninety degrees. Then the greater the separation between them, the better.
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It doesn't have to route across it. It's just the way it has been done . I think it's excess cable left at the back of the wall box so I'm hoping there may be enough to just use this cable to poke through the next wall to save recrimping new cable.
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I've finally got some time off my sea prison and literally in the door 5 minutes ago.
My aim is to finish this today and tomorrow.
Looking at the space available, I'm don't think I would be able to fit two double gang sockets in normal rotation. I may be able to fit them in vertically but then I would still then need to put my master socket about a foot up the wall.
I'm considering fitting a single socket which I can do by a simple spur and then plugging everything into a surge protector strip seeing as its all my networking equipment. Whats the thoughts on that? Bad idea?
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My advise is put the gang socket any rotation that you like.
I have an upside down socket in my cupboard as the cable runs up the wall.
Just don't install the master socket and power socket right next to each other. Don't run the power cable parallel to the twisted pair either.
It caused quite a few issues in my property.
I've since moved the power socket and the issues I had disappeared immediately.
Before and after pics attached.
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Hi John
I'm needing to put in two double sockets so my options are:
1. Fit a single socket spur and then use a 4 gang surge protector which leaves more space for the master socket.
2. Fit two double gang wall sockets and try and figure out somewhere else to put my master socket.
My existing master socket and existing sockets are certainly quite close together just now and when I popped the covers off for a look, It appeared the incoming line was right next to the mains cable.
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I've used a six way trailing socket fixed to the wall which is powered via my UPS. Its all low power stuff, and not being constantly plugged/unplugged so in my opinion its safe.
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Yes, I think something similar would be Ok although, I may have found a new place to put my master socket. I'll need a new length of CW1308 again though but may just use a twisted pair from the meters of Cat5e I have left over.
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Well managed to get it finished off today. Not too happy with how it all is though and I can't really change it.
My plan was to pull in a new cable from the entrance of the line. This was originally extended under the house possibly by the builders to the hall from the front door.
I pulled out my wall sockets and the master to discover the CW1308 is taped along the mains cables. I tried to pull it free but it won't budge so felt it was best left and just punched through the wall with the existing cable.
I've attached a picture of between the wall space.
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That looks really difficult to fix. :(
Would it be possible to attach a draw-wire to the taped-together mains & CW1308 just at the socket, and pull them all back to the front door (where I assume they are separate)? Maybe then you could remove the tape and use the draw-wire to get the mains cable and Cat5e back to the socket.
On the other hand, it may not be worth the trouble, as they'd still be running alongside each other so you may not gain much. :(
I don't envy you.
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I don't think that would be possible as the mains ends up going a different route after a certain point and I have no idea how far back they are stuck together. It wouldnt move in the slightest anyway.
My errors and noise are very low anyway and still getting a sync speed of 71/17 so just left it. If FTTP ever comes, I have no idea how to get it from the entrance of the house to the existing location now.
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Finally finished!!
It has been a long time coming but due to work commitments, It had to take a back seat. Pretty chuffed with how it has turned out to be fair!
I am tempted to run a new cable for the incoming line though to see if it actually makes any difference. If it does, I may look at putting it in permanently.
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A final note on this.
After deciding not to run an external cable to see if there was a difference with the stats, I spent a bit of the afternoon running a socket extension from upstairs and killing the power to all downstairs sockets that run near and attached to the CW1308 cable.
After monitoring for a while, I can't really see any change in my stats so that is a positive.
I'll just be leaving alone now and enjoying the new setup.
Thanks all for your valuable advice through my little home project.
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A practical test and a positive result. Thank you for sharing that update.