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Broadband Related => Mobile broadband => Topic started by: meritez on August 15, 2022, 03:12:55 PM
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https://www.scancom.co.uk/products/unlimited-pre-paid-data-sim-every-month-until-21-03-2024-free-dpd-next-day-delivery-10-per-month
Unlimited EE 5G data every month
A Fair use policy of 600GB per month applies set by EE
No Cashbacks
The sim will terminate on 21.03.2024
FREE NEXT BUSINESS DAY dpd shipping
SIM COST one off £10 and then monthly £10 ex VAT
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I'm a bit wary of that given EE supposedly don't HAVE a Fair Use policy on their Unlimited plans.
https://ee.co.uk/help/help-new/offers-and-services/other/unlimited-plans
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I'm a bit wary of that given EE supposedly don't HAVE a Fair Use policy on their Unlimited plans.
https://ee.co.uk/help/help-new/offers-and-services/other/unlimited-plans
That page says "All of our unlimited plans are uncapped so you can use as much data as you like, as long as it's for personal use. "
Followed by "We will consider usage above 600GB/month to be non-personal use and have the right to apply traffic management controls to deprioritise your mobile traffic during busy periods or to move you to a business plan. "
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I'm a bit wary of that given EE supposedly don't HAVE a Fair Use policy on their Unlimited plans.
https://ee.co.uk/help/help-new/offers-and-services/other/unlimited-plans
Oh, they definitely do have a Fair Usage policy.
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Do you get a real IP address? (Mind you, I could L2TP into Andrews and Arnold.)
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Do you get a real IP address? (Mind you, I could L2TP into Andrews and Arnold.)
No idea, there's a couple of forum members on ispreview who have purchased it:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/threads/testing-ees-4g-5g.38298/post-278901
Edit: asked, it's CGNAT
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I bought one of those SIM's and the gear to turn my APU that I bought and never used into a caravan router... Will be nice to finally be able to use that thing.
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That page says "All of our unlimited plans are uncapped so you can use as much data as you like, as long as it's for personal use. "
Followed by "We will consider usage above 600GB/month to be non-personal use and have the right to apply traffic management controls to deprioritise your mobile traffic during busy periods or to move you to a business plan. "
Is that even legal? Surely arbitrarily deciding what is personal and business use is kinda dodgy, given you can pull a lot of data if you're a gamer and streamer (I'm talking personal use, not someone streaming to Twitch, etc).
Although personally I'm okay with a priority system if the service is dirt-cheap, its charging for overage that is a big nope in my book.
I'd be all on that, if it wasn't for the fact EE 5G comes off the same mast as Vodafone 5G and O2 5G, which is outdoors-only here. Its not worth having to buy an outdoor antenna, given I'm trying to minimise routes for lightening into the house as storms are getting more common with climate change.
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I’m very much in favour of usage caps as long as users can go to a higher usage tariff by paying extra, and are not just kicked off or completely crippled. I think limits of some sort are even more important with a mobile network. Having usage caps protects the quality of the network and having users pay for what they use is only fair so that certain hogs don’t cause a poor experience for the rest. On a mobile network it can sometimes be easy to saturate a cell with traffic or take up a major chunk of its throughput so other users in that cell are stuffed. It seems to me that the only way to fix this would be for the basestation to have per-user ingress throttling, in both directions.
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I bought one of those SIM's and the gear to turn my APU that I bought and never used into a caravan router... Will be nice to finally be able to use that thing.
Has it arrived yet?
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@Alex Being the world’s leading expert on lightning strikes, I would think you would be ok with an outdoor antenna as long as you keep it reasonably low down. It shouldn’t be even close to being the highest point on the outside of the house. You should think about routes whereby electric current can somehow be drawn up/down from/to the earth (or the opposite direction) into/away from the antenna as the electric field underneath a thundercloud either attracts electrons up into high points or repels them away from such points down into ground. The high point then becomes charged and has a very strong electric field around it, the field strength depending critically on how sharp any point may be (‘point effect’). If high enough, this field can cause air to break down and start a streamer that can build into a lightning strike. If there are other rather higher points on the building then they will be the unlucky candidates for the greatest point effect and your antenna will not be the site of such buildup. Also consider insulation and the resistance of paths from ground to your antenna, especially when everything is wet.
Indeed, as long as the antenna has line of sight or something like it, it can presumably be as low as you like as long as stray cows/tourists/relatives don’t walk right in front of it. Being low down means that the likelihood of high wind damage is reduced, especially if you can arrange for the house itself to give protection from the prevailing winds, although I appreciate that this is not always possible, if the line to the basestation is simply on the wrong side of the house.
I did think about getting hold of two fibre media converters and inserting them with a short length of fibre inline to make a break in my copper ethernet cable, so as to completely break the electrical circuit, hence no route to/from ground for charge buildup in the antenna or a current surge from a lightning strike that destroys all your kit as has happened to me with modems.
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I bought a similar one via Amazon (10.50 per month, ends a few months after this one too).
It works fine. No fixed IP, it's CGNAT. Speeds not as high as Three, but around here EE's 4G is much better than Three, so it's an acceptable trade-off.
The 600GB FUP apparently isn't a hard limit, but it's annoying not to know the real limit or how many times we can pass the 600GB mark before having problems.
I don't know if EE considers these to be consumer or business plans as it's ScanCom that "adds" unlimited data to the SIM every month. It doesn't seem to be the traditional plan we get from EE.
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Indeed, as long as the antenna has line of sight or something like it, it can presumably be as low as you like as long as stray cows/tourists/relatives don’t walk right in front of it. Being low down means that the likelihood of high wind damage is reduced, especially if you can arrange for the house itself to give protection from the prevailing winds, although I appreciate that this is not always possible, if the line to the basestation is simply on the wrong side of the house.
I know EXACTLY where the tower is, it would need to be relatively high up to get over the many rooftops to reach it, the density of housing is why it has awful 5G range indoors.
You have to bear in mind, when our chimney got hit, it didn't even seem to hit to the top, it hit the bottom of the chimney as you can see a piece missing from the impact. There are many higher points around here you'd think it would have hit, so its not nearly as predictable as you'd hope.
I have no idea how it even upset the fuse box or anything along the mains, though it could have been due to the socket my surge protector was plugged into wasn't earthed correctly so the surge protector perhaps cause the current to flow where it shouldn't have. That was the irony, the modem that did most of the damage, was supposed to be surge protected, but the council wiring was faulty in that socket so it had high earth resistance (I'm assuming, as they had screwed it into the earth sheathing so was barely making contact with the wire).
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It isn’t quite so predictable, hence me saying ‘rather higher’. In photographs you can see several streamers of different lengths competing for success in linking up and forming a complete path to the cloud. Which one wins is indeed unpredictable. As for your chimney, I’d think that the resistance of a path all the way to the very top might not have been that good. And in that case there was no example of point effect, nothing sharp, so who knows.
I would still think that you should be reasonably ok at gutter / eaves level, especially if there’s no current path up the ethernet cable so no complete path all the way up from earth to antenna cable. If at all concerned try my fibre media converters trick and buy some contents insurance.
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For me EE started getting slower roughly about half a year after BT's takeover, and is now nowhere near its original 4G speeds. I wonder how slow things will get now if word of this sim spreads.
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Has it arrived yet?
Yes, all good.
I have a pcengines APU2 lying around (shamefully purchased but never used), that had a SIM slot in it, and I have a static caravan that has very good EE coverage. Useful to not drain mobile phone batteries with tethering, so I threw a Huawei 4G modem in it, and right now sat at my desk I've got 74/11 through it. The APU is running opnsense. Working great!
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Mine is here tomorrow, seems too good to be true.
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Mine is here tomorrow, seems too good to be true.
Works straight away, just don't lose it as it's £20 for a replacement.
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Yes, all good.
I have a pcengines APU2 lying around (shamefully purchased but never used), that had a SIM slot in it, and I have a static caravan that has very good EE coverage. Useful to not drain mobile phone batteries with tethering, so I threw a Huawei 4G modem in it, and right now sat at my desk I've got 74/11 through it. The APU is running opnsense. Working great!
So I moved to OpenWRT as that purportedly has better performance. And indeed, it's managed 70Mbps in some downloads that I have tried, but SSH could only manage 30Mbps. Not sure why because that traffic should not be inspected so not quite sure why that is low.
I am going to try a TP-Link 4G Router and see if that performs more consistently. But so far, pretty pleased. Works fine.
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Only 1 day in but had no issues so far.
How do you monitor the data usage? The Scancom portal does not show this.
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No idea how to monitor usage, someone over on ispreview forum has already done the 600gb fair usage and not been restricted yet so?
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They don't have a place to monitor usage.
I asked them if I could add the SIM to my own EE account, but that doesn't work because the SIM is part of their EE account. Their support recommended using a 3rd party app to monitor usage, but I don't know if that works (maybe on Android, but does iOS allow this? and this assumes we're using a phone/tablet).
On my Android phones I can see how much data I've used (currently at ~250GB), set alerts, etc, so that's what I'll use. Since I don't know how strict EE is about this 600GB limit, I bought the SIM as if they were selling a "600GB plan", not an "unlimited plan". Someone should go after EE for selling "unlimited" with low limits...
Scancom support told me to contact them if I had any issues with the SIM, so if EE decides to do something, maybe they can fix the problem if there's a good reason (eg: SIM is in a router and you can't see the usage)?
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EE Unlimited Allowances
Scancom’s unlimited bundles are truly unlimited where usage is appropriate to subscription type.
Inappropriate usage would be considered as the following:
- Any usage outside normal commercial practice.
- Any usage made via automated means (also see Gateway/AIT FUP).
- Any usage that damages or impairs the hosting network.
- Any usage considered fraudulent, abusive, illegal or a nuisance.
- Data usage where users regularly tether to 12 or more devices or have used 600GB of data twice within a 6 month period.
- Data usage where roaming outside of the UK and exceeding more than 25GB within a single billing period.
We may investigate usage in order to ascertain whether your unlimited usage is in line with these guidelines.
In the event inappropriate usage is determined then we reserve the right to restrict services, adjust the plan or terminate the agreement based on the severity of the misuse.
From: https://www.scancom.co.uk/pages/ee-fair-use-policy
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I do not think I will have an issue with 600GB, I only stream and game with the occasion torrent for that hard to find movie.
I do not understand how something can be described as unlimited though when it is not.
or have used 600GB of data twice within a 6 month period.
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EE provides an IPv6 /64:
https://ipv6-test.com/
IPv6 Supported
Address 2a01:
Type Native IPv6
SLAAC No
ICMP Filtered
Hostname None
ISP EE Limited United Kingdom
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Isn't filtering ICMP on IPv6 an incorrect implementation as ICMP is mandatory?
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EE provides an IPv6 /64:
https://ipv6-test.com/
IPv6 Supported
Address 2a01:
Type Native IPv6
SLAAC No
ICMP Filtered
Hostname None
ISP EE Limited United Kingdom
Says unsupported for me.
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I’m very much in favour of usage caps as long as users can go to a higher usage tariff by paying extra, and are not just kicked off or completely crippled. I think limits of some sort are even more important with a mobile network. Having usage caps protects the quality of the network and having users pay for what they use is only fair so that certain hogs don’t cause a poor experience for the rest. On a mobile network it can sometimes be easy to saturate a cell with traffic or take up a major chunk of its throughput so other users in that cell are stuffed. It seems to me that the only way to fix this would be for the basestation to have per-user ingress throttling, in both directions.
Sure, but to classify a given amount as "business use" is kinda dumb. There are plenty of scenarios where a residential user would use more data than a business. Just call it what it is, a data cap.
I'm still not 100% decided on if I'm okay with calling a package Unlimited if there is a cap, which if you pass throttles the speed. Although if going past the cap incurs further charges I'd call that a big no no if it was sold as unlimited, which is common in the US.
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Says unsupported for me.
Have you enabled ipv6 in the APN settings?
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Isn't filtering ICMP on IPv6 an incorrect implementation as ICMP is mandatory?
Do you want me to enable ICMP on my firewall?
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Do you want me to enable ICMP on my firewall?
No clue to be honest, though I always keep it enabled personally. Was hoping our resident IPv6 experts would weigh in.
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No clue to be honest, though I always keep it enabled personally. Was hoping our resident IPv6 experts would weigh in.
I shall await the IPv6 experts, this is my first forage into Public IPv6.
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In IPv6 you do really need to allow enough types + subtypes of ICMP to make sure that path MTU discovery works. The ICMP "Fragmentation needed" and "Unreachable" packets should not be blocked. I can just about understand people blocking pings, but I don’t agree with it, and a lot of low end firewalls don’t have the specific filters to block subtypes of ICMP down to the level of "type" plus "code". That’s an annoying defect in my Firebrick - can’t specify filtering on subtypes of ICMP; it’s all or nothing. Blocking all ICMP types for "security" is just crazy; try asking such aficionados exactly what this achieves in terms of security. Note to self: check my own firewall rules before going on about anyone else. ;)
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Agreed, blocking ping was always kinda stupid as it was based on security by obscurity and just makes diagnosing issues harder.
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How can I check if my public ipv6 is static?
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No idea. Are we talking about prefixes , recalling a situation such as Chrys had with a mad ISP where the prefix moved under certain conditions. Obviously, if you see it has moved then you know the extremely bad news. Ask your ISP? no one (else would be daft enough).
Are you an old hand with IPv6? - I should have first asked you.
I can recognise all the classes of an IPv6 address prefix, but what operating systems get up to isn’t immediately obvious sometimes.
With individual addresses on the other hand, there are some examples, such as EUI-64 addresses (https://community.cisco.com/t5/networking-knowledge-base/understanding-ipv6-eui-64-bit-address/ta-p/3116953) where the low-64 bits are MAC48-based are immediately obvious, and they are individually static. Of course you can make any address fixed yourself: it’s all down to your choices plus o/s behaviour.
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It's so tempting to pair this with https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385093203487
I do not need
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I doubt that has stopped you before.
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I doubt that has stopped you before.
For a device that supports passthrough of EE's IPv6 implementation, very tempting.
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150 on Amazon.
Still cannot get IPV6 to work on mine but I don't really know what I'm doing. :P
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150 on Amazon.
Still cannot get IPV6 to work on mine but I don't really know what I'm doing. :P
how to get ipv6 working on the above SXT:
https://www.apalrd.net/posts/2022/network_lte/
/interface lte apn
add apn=everywhere ip-type=ipv4-ipv6 passthrough-interface=LTEWAN
Still do not need one
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I haven't got the a STX but thanks.
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This would also work well:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284950116294
I do not need another one though
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No idea. Are we talking about prefixes , recalling a situation such as Chrys had with a mad ISP where the prefix moved under certain conditions. Obviously, if you see it has moved then you know the extremely bad news. Ask your ISP? no one (else would be daft enough).
Are you an old hand with IPv6? - I should have first asked you.
I can recognise all the classes of an IPv6 address prefix, but what operating systems get up to isn’t immediately obvious sometimes.
With individual addresses on the other hand, there are some examples, such as EUI-64 addresses (https://community.cisco.com/t5/networking-knowledge-base/understanding-ipv6-eui-64-bit-address/ta-p/3116953) where the low-64 bits are MAC48-based are immediately obvious, and they are individually static. Of course you can make any address fixed yourself: it’s all down to your choices plus o/s behaviour.
Yeah when I was a customer of sky they would change the prefix occasionally, I believe they use a sticky prefix configuration, so if you let the dhcp expire it changes, and it will also change if they reconfigure things. I had the forced reconfiguration happening multiple times.
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