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Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: Oldjim on September 16, 2016, 02:02:25 PM

Title: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: Oldjim on September 16, 2016, 02:02:25 PM
Reason for asking is that at my last resync on 80/20 the upstream was 9999kb/s
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: j0hn on September 16, 2016, 02:39:04 PM
yes it can, it does. banding has become much more common recently. downstream banding appears to stick quite bad, I'm not so sure on the upstream.
Next resync will be a better indication.
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: Oldjim on September 16, 2016, 02:45:07 PM
next resync will very likely be lower as that result was after a power cut and I always get a higher number then due to absence in cross talk
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: broadstairs on September 16, 2016, 02:46:45 PM
I am intrigued as to how banding works. My d/s has been banded at 59995kbps for months now, at least I assume I am banded as the attainable has been quite a lot higher at least in the past couple of months. Interesting that d/s is almost always exactly 59995kbps on each re-sync.

Stuart
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: licquorice on September 16, 2016, 03:09:06 PM
Its simple, DLM applies banding to your line on a whim and then never removes it!  ;) At least that's my experience of it.
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: kitz on September 16, 2016, 08:03:24 PM
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Its simple, DLM applies banding to your line on a whim and then never removes it!  ;) At least that's my experience of it.

It does appear to be that we are seeing more cases of this :/
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: GigabitEthernet on September 16, 2016, 08:12:03 PM
Is there an easy way to tell if you're banded?
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: NewtronStar on September 16, 2016, 08:25:56 PM
Your DS SNRM will increased well above the target margin of 6dB and your sync rate will be much lower that is how you know your line is banded
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: licquorice on September 16, 2016, 08:30:21 PM
Your sync rate will also be at round figure rather than some random figure.
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: underzone on September 16, 2016, 08:32:24 PM
Your sync rate will also be at round figure rather than some random figure.

ie. Data rate:   20000 / 67000 (note all the zeros)
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: GigabitEthernet on September 16, 2016, 08:55:19 PM
The reason I ask is that my SNRM on my line is very odd nowadays. I never sync at the target of 6dB, it's always 6.5 and above and usually 7.5dB or higher.

It may well be due to vectoring.
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: NewtronStar on September 16, 2016, 09:19:18 PM
Your current SNRM is showing as 16.7 dB and a sync of 39999 kbps and a attainable of 61608 kbps now there are two ways to get this result either the user manually caps/bands the modem or the DLM does it  ;)
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: GigabitEthernet on September 16, 2016, 09:24:57 PM
No I am not uploading to MDWS at the moment. That was my doing previous to that though I don't know what happened.
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: skyeci on September 16, 2016, 09:31:28 PM
What contributes to cause the banding to be applied in the first place?
Thanks
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: licquorice on September 16, 2016, 09:37:36 PM
http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/DLM.htm
https://community.plus.net/t5/Library/FTTC-DLM-What-it-is-How-it-works/ba-p/1322799
Title: Re: Can the FTTC cab band the upstream speed
Post by: NewtronStar on September 16, 2016, 09:41:13 PM
What contributes to cause the banding to be applied in the first place?
Thanks

Thats easy a line issue or users messing around with the internal side of the loop have done this myself and caused banding for 2 weeks on each occasion my fault  :-[