Kitz Forum
Broadband Related => FTTC and FTTP Issues => Topic started by: Black Sheep on May 24, 2013, 09:32:58 PM
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The following Exchanges were FTTC enabled as of yesterday, Thursday 23/05/2013 .........
Bishopsgate
Clifton
Droylsden
Dunnington
Lemington
Livingston Bridge
Otley
Porthmadog
Stonehaven
Thornbury
Whitley Bay
The following are due to be commissioned in the next 2 weeks ............
Ashbourne
Hemmingbrough
Kirkcaldy
Mexborough
Osmotherley
Polruan
Rownhams
Shettleston
Sleights
Whitby
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Cheers BS for the update.
You know I almost wished there was a 'like' button then, just to acknowledge Id seen the post.
... and now I really am off to my bed. :)
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Ha ha ........... I appreciate your post, but you don't need to go out of your way to acknowledge my waffle, Kitz. :lol:
Seriously, it is just for info in case our readership have a vested interest ?. :)
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The following Exchange was released on Thu. 30th May '13.
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor
Hemmingbrough YMB MYHMB North North East Humber BVG241 ECI
Next Releases
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor Release
Alcester ACE CMALC South South Wales and South Midlands Coventry BVH111 ECI 2 weeks
Ashbourne AS EMASBOU North North Wales & North Midlands Derby & Nottingham BVG427 ECI 2 weeks
Constantine ZEC WWCONS South Wessex Truro BVH283 ECI 2 weeks
Dalton-In-Furness DAC LCDTF North North West Cumbria BVG315 ECI 2 weeks
Hayling Island HGO SDHYLNG South South East West Downs BVH334 ECI 2 weeks
North Cowton NKT NENCT North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 Huawei 2 weeks
Northbourne NUO STNTHBN South Wessex Bournemouth BVH253 ECI 2 weeks
Osmotherley OBC NEOM North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 ECI 2 weeks
Pelsall PBC CMPEL North North Wales & North Midlands Stoke & Chester BVG477 Huawei 2 weeks
Rownhams RNM STRWNMS South Wessex Southampton BVH244 ECI 2 weeks
Saffron Walden SAA EASAF South East Anglia Cambridge & Chelmsford BVH548 ECI 2 weeks
Shettleston GW/SHE WSSHE North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG158 ECI 2 weeks
Shirley XOK STSHRLY South Wessex Southampton BVH244 ECI 2 weeks
St Keverne SKV WWSKEV South Wessex Truro BVH282 ECI 2 weeks
Topcliffe TDX NETP North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 Huawei 2 weeks
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The following Exchanges were released on Thu. 6th Jun. '13.
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor
Ashbourne AS EMASBOU North North Wales & North Midlands Derby & Nottingham BVG427 ECI
Constantine ZEC WWCONS South Wessex Truro BVH283 ECI
Hayling Island HGO SDHYLNG South South East West Downs BVH334 ECI
Kirkcaldy KI ESKIR North Scotland Central Scotland BVG132 ECI
Mexborough MIT SLMEX North North East South Yorkshire and Chesterfield BVG257 ECI
Northbourne NUO STNTHBN South Wessex Bournemouth BVH253 ECI
Osmotherley OBC NEOM North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 ECI
Polruan PRN WWPLRN South Wessex Truro BVH287 ECI
Rownhams RNM STRWNMS South Wessex Southampton BVH244 ECI
Shettleston GW/SHE WSSHE North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG158 ECI
Shirley XOK STSHRLY South Wessex Southampton BVH244 ECI
Sleights SLT NESLS North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 ECI
Topcliffe TDX NETP North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 Huawei
Whitby WB NEWHY North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 ECI
Next Releases
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor Release
Alcester ACE CMALC South South Wales and South Midlands Coventry BVH111 ECI 2 weeks
Ayr AY WSAYR North Scotland South West Scotland BVG163 ECI 2 weeks
Batley BCT MYBAT North North East West Yorkshire BVG239 ECI 2 weeks
Bristol BS/RED SSRED South South Wales and South Midlands Bristol BVH172 ECI 2 weeks
Cheriton CTQ NDCHE South South East East Downs BVH312 ECI 2 weeks
Dalton-In-Furness DAC LCDTF North North West Cumbria BVG315 ECI 2 weeks
Inverness Macdhui IV NSIMD North Scotland Highlands & Islands BVG116 ECI 2 weeks
North Cowton NKT NENCT North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 Huawei 2 weeks
Pelsall PBC CMPEL North North Wales & North Midlands Stoke & Chester BVG477 Huawei 2 weeks
Port Isaac PEW WWPISA South Wessex Truro BVH286 ECI 2 weeks
Saffron Walden SAA EASAF South East Anglia Cambridge & Chelmsford BVH548 ECI 2 weeks
Selsey SEX SDSLSY South South East West Downs BVH334 ECI 2 weeks
St Keverne SKV WWSKEV South Wessex Truro BVH282 ECI 2 weeks
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Sorry for how the above have copied over, I haven't got time to sort it out properly, but for those interested I'm sure it can be deciphered. ;) ;D
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Welcome back to Blightie, Black Sheep. You certainly didn't bring the Turkish weather home with you!
cheers a
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Thank you AK, it's heart-breaking to be back here. :( ;).
Ha ha, I guess you've been doing a bit of detective work via IP Addy's ?? I promise you though, I wasn't in Turkey whatsoever ??!!. Care to guess again, sir ?? ;D
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Now released ...........
Alcester ACE CMALC South South Wales and South Midlands Coventry BVH111 ECI
Batley BCT MYBAT North North East West Yorkshire BVG239 ECI
Bristol BS/RED SSRED South South Wales and South Midlands Bristol BVH172 ECI
Cheriton CTQ NDCHE South South East East Downs BVH312 ECI
Dalton-In-Furness DAC LCDTF North North West Cumbria BVG315 ECI
Inverness Macdhui IV NSIMD North Scotland Highlands & Islands BVG116 ECI
North Cowton NKT NENCT North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 Huawei
Pelsall PBC CMPEL North North Wales & North Midlands Stoke & Chester BVG477 Huawei
Saffron Walden SAA EASAF South East Anglia Cambridge & Chelmsford BVH548 ECI
Selsey SEX SDSLSY South South East West Downs BVH334 ECI
St Keverne SKV WWSKEV South Wessex Truro BVH282 ECI
Next releases .............
Ayr AY WSAYR North Scotland South West Scotland BVG163 ECI 2 weeks
Brimscombe BOZ SSBRI South South Wales and South Midlands Bristol BVH171 Huawei 2 weeks
Lee-On-The-Solent LXS SDLSLNT South South East West Downs BVH333 ECI 2 weeks
Port Isaac PEW WWPISA South Wessex Truro BVH286 ECI 2 weeks
Thwing TWI MYTHW North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG228 ECI 2 weeks
Wombourne WMX CMWOM North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG440 ECI 2 weeks
Woodgate BM/WOO CMWDGT North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG444 ECI 2 weeks
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I promise you though, I wasn't in Turkey whatsoever ??!!. Care to guess again, sir ?? ;D
I just saw that rioting in Istanbul, remembered you were jetting off to the sun, and put two and two together (Brits abroad and all that!)
Give us a clue then. What were you drinking and smoking?!
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Ha ha ............... Drinking ?? plenty .............. Smoking ??? not a ffn chance, hate it !!
I was in that quadrant of Europe, but not Turkey. Not even 'Half Turkey' (Cyprus). :)
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Another clue: Has this country ever won the Eurovision?!
A well deserved break wherever you went :)
cheers, a
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Yes, they have won that much-coveted song contest. Getting closer methinks ?? ;)
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Going to keep a close eye on this post BS ;)
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The following Exchanges are being released.
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor
Ayr AY WSAYR North Scotland South West Scotland BVG163 ECI
Brimscombe BOZ SSBRI South South Wales and South Midlands Bristol BVH171 Huawei
Lee-On-The-Solent LXS SDLSLNT South South East West Downs BVH333 ECI
Port Isaac PEW WWPISA South Wessex Truro BVH286 ECI
Thwing TWI MYTHW North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG228 ECI
Wombourne WMX CMWOM North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG440 ECI
Woodgate BM/WOO CMWDGT North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG444 ECI
Next Releases
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor Release
Adel ADO MYADE North North East West Yorkshire BVG236 ECI 2 weeks
Arrowebrook LV/ARR LVARR North North West Merseyside BVG357 Huawei 2 weeks
Bamber Bridge BAW LCBAB North North West Lancs BVG374 ECI 2 weeks
Calthorpe BM/CAL CMCAL North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG441 ECI 2 weeks
Canford Cliffs QHI STCANCL South Wessex Bournemouth BVH253 ECI 2 weeks
Castleham HCA NDCAS South South East Central Downs BVH324 ECI 2 weeks
Darlington DL NEDL North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG225 Huawei 2 weeks
Fraserburgh FU NSFRA North Scotland North East Scotland BVG126 ECI 2 weeks
Glenfield GF EMGLNFI North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG431 ECI 2 weeks
Littlewick Green LWG THLG South Wessex Maidenhead BVH236 Huawei 2 weeks
Ludlow LOH WNLUD North North Wales & North Midlands Mid Wales & Shrewsbury BVG495 ECI 2 weeks
Peterhead PJ NSPET North Scotland North East Scotland BVG126 ECI 2 weeks
Port Talbot PTB SWPTB South South Wales and South Midlands Swansea BVH121 ECI 2 weeks
Tenterden TBF NDTEN South South East Central Downs BVH325 ECI 2 weeks
West Ayton WYF MYWAY North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 ECI 2 weeks
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Woop woop...Glenfield in 2 weeks....according to the BT site it's still showing march 2014!
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Hello BossIan and welcome,
It might be prudent to hold back upon your enthusiasm until more definite data are announced locally.
Samknows suggests a rather vague "calendar year 2013".
http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/adslchecker.welcome
Makes no mention of FTTC / VDSL for PCPs 14 & 29 as illustrated below for a couple of pubs so it does not look as if the "Ready For Service" dates are imminent.
Perhaps BS can enlighten us as to what an exchange release actually means ?
Kind regards,
Walter
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I believe that when an exchange is flagged as 'ready for VDSL2 service', all the relevant equipment is in place and, as such, cabinets can be enabled. (Via the potentially long drawn out performance that you know so well . . . )
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Bossian, please DO keep your enthusiasm going.
The release dates shown are for the next 2 weeks, therefore no amount of VDSL speed checks, akin to those that Walter has kindly illustrated, are ever going to show VDSL is active in your area, or give an estimated speed.
When your Exchange area is 'released' (within the next 2 weeks as stated), then try an 'Availabilty check' against your telephone number ...... I personally wouldn't use the 'Postcode checker', as I know from personal experience that there could be up to 3 Cabinets within the same post-coded area. 2 of which may be fully commissioned, and the other 1 still awaiting this task. The 'Postcode checker' can incorrectly report the area as not being VDSL ready because of this 1 cabinet !!
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Woop woop...Glenfield in 2 weeks....according to the BT site it's still showing march 2014!
Heh you're on EMGLNFI too then?
Not sure what site you've been using to check - the "Infinity" checker has been saying end of 2013 for a year and the BT Wholesale checker had a date of Sept 2013 before that entry was removed.
All the PCPs are done on the Glenfield side - I got a burst of several thousand errors last week as PCP32 was wired in/powered up. We're fortunate here in that you only ever see Openreach people here, never any subbies (altho you get them in Leicester city) and hence things get done right.
/me is still vaccillating about FTTC given he gets 21/1.2 now for £7.50, not sure he can see the point of just doubling d/s speed and price differential between 80/20 and ADSL is significant.
Oh and yes I should get 80/20 easy enough as loop length is 150m worst case, probably nearer 100m.
I think I'll wait and see what happens to backhauls on Sky/BT and decide later.
I'm sorting out neighbours wiring after he got a quote for £200 from BT Retail to wire in an extension socket which already existed - yes that's £200 for crimping two wires, and yes it has been explained (with pictures) to the UK support people but the price is still £200. He needs the wiring sorting anyway as he has bellwires connected and gets about 60% of the sync speed I do. That means I can go have a nosy when he gets Infinity in (which he's very keen to do) and see how the backhaul holds up.
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When your Exchange area is 'released' (within the next 2 weeks as stated), then try an 'Availabilty check' against your telephone number ...... I personally wouldn't use the 'Postcode checker', as I know from personal experience that there could be up to 3 Cabinets within the same post-coded area. 2 of which may be fully commissioned, and the other 1 still awaiting this task. The 'Postcode checker' can incorrectly report the area as not being VDSL ready because of this 1 cabinet !!
The BT Wholesale checker did (until the FTTC cabs went in) give projected FTTC speeds for lines from all the PCPs in Glenfield bar one which I don't think is a PCP, its something to do with County Hall/Glenfield Hospital. The checker now returns no projected FTTC speeds for any of the previously checked lines.
Not sure of the changes on the more prominent checkers but the BT Wholesale one clearly had data removed as work on cabs began. Anecdotally that seems to be the case a lot of the time, for whatever reason.
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Thanks for all the input guys! :) Been a lurker on here for a while and have picked up a lot of useful info from you lot ;)
I've been watching closely the BT works in my area over the last few months.......and I know its not long before my cab is enabled. I'm attached to the Glenfield cpc7 and where I work is on cpc10.
I have been using http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/ADSLChecker.TelephoneNumberOutput (http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/ADSLChecker.TelephoneNumberOutput) to monitor when FTTC was available and like I said, it's been saying 2014....but today it's saying available now.... ;)
I have Virgin 120 here at home and that's been solid for the last 3 years. I have 2 ADSL lines at work and my own Plusnet ADSL at home.....what I so want is to convert one of my work lines to FTTC and my own ADSL to FTTC...then the flaky VPN I have been using for years will now be like a direct network connection to my work ;)
So in a nut shell...... WOOP WOOP
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You'll think you've gone to heaven, Bossian. ;D ;D
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My exchange now has new fibre cabinets all over the place but no information on FTTC dates.
Is there anything you can find out or do we just have to wait? SMCG :angel:
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Is there no mention of your Exchange, in any of the schedules I've posted ??
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No, unless I missed something - and I'm on here several times a day usually. :(
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If the shells are going in, it won't be long that's for sure !! I'd hedge my bets on within a month. Keep your eye out on this thread HP. :)
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OK thanks.
The one at the end of my road (not the first I've seen) was finished at the start of May - about 7 weeks ago. ???
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I am much impressed this morning.....PlusNet are showing an upgrade to FTTC on my account....so it is now ordered! ;D
Does anyone know if I'll keep my existing fixed IP address? Didn't see it mentioned anywhere on the sign up pages? Will have a nose on the PlusNet forums later after work.....
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Interesting that Plusnet have accepted your order - having fed several numbers (which connect to different PCPs on the EMGLNFI exchange) into their checker it says fibre is not yet available and will only accept orders for ADSL. All of the PCPs concerned have been upgraded, so I'm wondering how your order got accepted when the exchange isn't live yet?
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Rizla.....my home number on the BT site....
Available Products
Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)
Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)
Downstream Range(Mbps)
Availability Date
Featured Products
WBC FTTC Up to 62.9 Up to 20 -- Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 4.5 -- 3.5 to 5.5 Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Annex M Up to 4.5 Up to 0.5 3.5 to 5.5 Available
ADSL Max Up to 3.5 -- 2.5 to 4.5 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 1 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 1 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available
My work number shows....
Featured Products
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 4 -- 3 to 7 Available
ADSL Max Up to 1.5 -- 0.5 to 2.5 Available
WBC Fixed Rate 1 -- -- Available
Fixed Rate 1 -- -- Available
Both numbers are on the 287 prefix, but I know my work number, that's on cpc10, is delayed as they're still doing the civils on Groby Road. The contractors have a hole open at the moment and after a peak down the hole I can see it's for the mains connection. On my walk to work this morning I thought I would take a little detour past cpc7 and it was nice to here the fans humming in the top!!
As for PlusNet, I was amazed too that when I checked on my upgrade options this morning I found that I had 2 new fibre options in the list! I was expecting a 2/3 week delay before PlusNet picked up BT's upgrade....but I'm not complaining! So I took the top deal and it went through with 3 dates I gave them for the connection date. The only thing that's a bit amiss, is the BT site is saying 62.9 down and 20 up, PlusNet are saying 62.9 down and 10 up?? Will have to see how that pans out.
And would you believe it, as I'm writing this, PlusNet have just text me to confirm my engineers appointment for 9th July between 1 and 6pm ;D ;D
Will be interesting what speeds I can get at work......that modem is approx. 60 metres from the cab......my home is (as I walk measured it) approx. 350 metres.
Nice little tech question for you tech-heads.....seeing as both my work and my home are going to be connected to the same exchange.....what route will my VPN connection take? With it all happen in the exchange?
Just had an email from PlusNet...and in that they are saying upload 20! So that issue is solved.
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Hi BossIan,
It wouldn't be the first appointment if it is confirmed some time after your selected date.
It seems to depend upon the workload in the area so not just your particular exchange.
As you can understand there is bound to be a major change in installation demands just after FTTC cabs become available.
Kind regards,
Walter
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Walter, when I did the PlusNet upgrade this morning, PN gave me options on dates for the engineer visit......the 9th is when I will be off work at the first chance for the appointment. I was given the choice of choosing 3 dates, so chose 9th, 10th and 11th respectively. I could've gone for the 5th as it showed as available.
I wonder if I'm first on the cab....due to my being nosey all the way through BT doing the upgrade? Is there anyway of finding out your position/connection point on the cab?
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Nice one Bossian. Another example of quality work by Openreach ensuring a 'Go Live' date way ahead of schedule. Enjoy your new speeds when it happens, you'll be extremely happy I promise you !! :)
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@ BS,
You could tell BossIan how the tie cable pair numberings work so he can glance at the engineers note with an understanding look !
Kind regards,
Walter
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Ha ha ......... it all depends on where the tie-cables are positioned in the PCP. Generally, they will be on the far right-hand side of the PCP, but can be sited on the far left if space requirements dictate.
By way of an example, if there are 600 existing E and D sides in the Copper Cab, the new ties will be allocated as E and D 601-700. So, if the installation engineers mapping is ........ E312 to D623 --- E623 to D478 ........ this means the circuit is the 23rd port to be made 'live'.
This means the existing routing in the copper cab was .... E312 to D478.
We do have what is called 'Straight pinned' routings, whereby the existing copper E and D sides are the same ....... so the engineers mapping details could then show as ....... E312 to D623 --- E623 to D312 .......... again, this means the Fibre port is port 23 and the original routing was '312 straight-pinned'.
What I'm labouring to say, is if Bossian manages a peek at the engineers field book, he should be looking for a 'pair' of numbers to find the number port he has been allocated. If there are 2 sets of numbered 'pairs', it would usually be the higher numbered pair that indicates the fibre port.
Hope this makes sense ??
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Ha ha ......... it all depends on where the tie-cables are positioned in the PCP. Generally, they will be on the far right-hand side of the PCP, but can be sited on the far left if space requirements dictate.
By way of an example, if there are 600 existing E and D sides in the Copper Cab, the new ties will be allocated as E and D 601-700. So, if the installation engineers mapping is ........ E312 to D623 --- E623 to D478 ........ this means the circuit is the 23rd port to be made 'live'.
This means the existing routing in the copper cab was .... E312 to D478.
We do have what is called 'Straight pinned' routings, whereby the existing copper E and D sides are the same ....... so the engineers mapping details could then show as ....... E312 to D623 --- E623 to D312 .......... again, this means the Fibre port is port 23 and the original routing was '312 straight-pinned'.
What I'm labouring to say, is if Bossian manages a peek at the engineers field book, he should be looking for a 'pair' of numbers to find the number port he has been allocated. If there are 2 sets of numbered 'pairs', it would usually be the higher numbered pair that indicates the fibre port.
Hope this makes sense ??
3 re-reads later and I do get it! 8)
Quite simple really and logical....lets hope he pits his clipboard, job sheet down for me to nose....or I can just ask him...
I think first off the cab is a bit of a result....but may be a bit geeky...ah well, roll on the 9th!
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Just the 3 re-reads ?? It took me 5 and I wrote the damned thing !! ;D
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Just the 3 re-reads ?? It took me 5 and I wrote the damned thing !! ;D
You should see me with flat pack furniture :D
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Amusingly the BT Wholesale checker is once again returning FTTC speed estimates, however it now gives an RFS date of 31 March 2014 ???
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Amusingly the BT Wholesale checker is once again returning FTTC speed estimates, however it now gives an RFS date of 31 March 2014 ???
Hahaha yeah, my wok number has gone back on the system as showing March 2014 ???
On way to work I see that the mains joint has been completed and the hole filled in......no humming from the cab yet...will check tomorrow ;)
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Hi BossIan,
The important one to look for is blowing the fibre usually back from the FTTC to the distribution node, assuming all sections of the quad or 7 tube "cable" are in place.
That operation can well takes several hours, depending upon fibre length and any possible snags.
Re RFS Dates, if you consider just how many different agencies are involved and the number of blocked ducts and the sheer quantities being deployed, it is easy to see how invalid data is fed to the BT Wholesale estimating RFS logic. I've seen several sets of wildly fluctuating dates but most change immediately the actual date mentioned has been reached. Others change back to more realistic ones soon after the total installation is completed. I.e. take all the dates with a pinch of salt. If you can chat up the fibre blowing team you might get an idea when the fibre is complete, but even that depends upon all the exchange components being completed as well.
Kind regards,
Walter
PS Have you looked at your PMs ?
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Exchanges now released
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor
Calthorpe BM/CAL CMCAL North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG441 ECI
Castleham HCA NDCAS South South East Central Downs BVH324 ECI
Glenfield GF EMGLNFI North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG431 ECI
Littlewick Green LWG THLG South Wessex Maidenhead BVH236 Huawei
Ludlow LOH WNLUD North North Wales & North Midlands Mid Wales & Shrewsbury BVG495 ECI
Peterhead PJ NSPET North Scotland North East Scotland BVG126 ECI
Port Talbot PTB SWPTB South South Wales and South Midlands Swansea BVH121 ECI
Tenterden TBF NDTEN South South East Central Downs BVH325 ECI
Next Releases
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor Release
Adel ADO MYADE North North East West Yorkshire BVG236 ECI 2 weeks
Allesley ALJ CMALL South South Wales and South Midlands Coventry BVH115 ECI 2 weeks
Arrowebrook LV/ARR LVARR North North West Merseyside BVG357 Huawei 2 weeks
Bamber Bridge BAW LCBAB North North West Lancs BVG374 ECI 2 weeks
Boness BVZ ESBON North Scotland Central Scotland BVG136 ECI 2 weeks
Canford Cliffs QHI STCANCL South Wessex Bournemouth BVH253 ECI 2 weeks
Combe Down ZEM SSCBD South Wessex Swindon BVH212 Huawei 2 weeks
Darlington DL NEDL North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG225 Huawei 2 weeks
Draycott DED EMDRAYC North North Wales & North Midlands Derby & Nottingham BVG422 ECI 2 weeks
Ebbw Vale EBY SWEBY South South Wales and South Midlands Cardiff BVH141 ECI 2 weeks
Fraserburgh FU NSFRA North Scotland North East Scotland BVG126 ECI 2 weeks
Gateforth GXO MYGAT North North East Humber BVG242 ECI 2 weeks
Hunmanby HBY MYHUM North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG228 ECI 2 weeks
Ilminster IL WWILMI South Wessex Taunton BVH264 ECI 2 weeks
Maybury EH/MAY ESMAY North Scotland South East Scotland BVG142 ECI 2 weeks
Pickering PDC MYPIC North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 Huawei 2 weeks
Sheriff Hutton XAH MYSHF North North East Humber BVG242 ECI 2 weeks
Stechford BM/STE CMSTE North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG445 ECI 2 weeks
Strensall STQ MYSTR North North East Humber BVG242 ECI 2 weeks
Tredegar TR SWTR South South Wales and South Midlands Cardiff BVH141 ECI 2 weeks
Uddingston UAK WSUDD North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG158 Huawei 2 weeks
Uppingham UP EMUPPIN North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG433 ECI 2 weeks
West Ayton WYF MYWAY North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 ECI 2 weeks
Widegates VGS WWWDGT South Wessex Truro BVH287 ECI 2 weeks
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Not sure how Glenfield is "released" as none of the checkers show any availability on any PCP.
I assume "released" in this context means "shoved some fibre stuff in that may be enabled sometime in the future"?
Ah I see the "Superfast Broadband" checker now says "accepting orders", shame the rest of the public-facing checkers are still claiming 31 Mar 2014.
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Woo hoo! My work cab has just gone live! Showing 68.7/20
I shall be on the phone to BT business first thing Monday morning :)
@Rizla.......all week this cab was showing March 2014.....I assume Glenfield is nearly complete?
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Lucky boy, think I will have to wait about another 4 or 5 weeks ::)
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The following Exchanges are being released.
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor
Arrowebrook LV/ARR LVARR North North West Merseyside BVG357 Huawei
Bamber Bridge BAW LCBAB North North West Lancs BVG374 ECI
Canford Cliffs QHI STCANCL South Wessex Bournemouth BVH253 ECI
Darlington DL NEDL North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG225 Huawei
Draycott DED EMDRAYC North North Wales & North Midlands Derby & Nottingham BVG422 ECI
Fraserburgh FU NSFRA North Scotland North East Scotland BVG126 ECI
Gateforth GXO MYGAT North North East Humber BVG242 ECI
Maybury EH/MAY ESMAY North Scotland South East Scotland BVG142 ECI
Strensall STQ MYSTR North North East Humber BVG242 ECI
West Ayton WYF MYWAY North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 ECI
Widegates VGS WWWDGT South Wessex Truro BVH287 ECI
Next Releases
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor Release
Adel ADO MYADE North North East West Yorkshire BVG236 ECI 2 weeks
Allesley ALJ CMALL South South Wales and South Midlands Coventry BVH115 ECI 2 weeks
Boness BVZ ESBON North North West Merseyside BVG357 Huawei 2 weeks
Combe Down ZEM SSCBD North North West Lancs BVG374 ECI 2 weeks
Ebbw Vale EBY SWEBY North Scotland Central Scotland BVG136 ECI 2 weeks
Hunmanby HBY MYHUM South Wessex Swindon BVH212 Huawei 2 weeks
Ilminster IL WWILMI North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG225 Huawei 2 weeks
Llanwnda LWA WNLWA North North Wales & North Midlands Derby & Nottingham BVG422 ECI 2 weeks
Melmerby MHZ MYMMB South South Wales and South Midlands Cardiff BVH141 ECI 2 weeks
North Luffenham NFS EMNLUFF North Scotland North East Scotland BVG126 ECI 2 weeks
Pickering PDC MYPIC North North East Humber BVG242 ECI 2 weeks
Sheriff Hutton XAH MYSHF North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG228 ECI 2 weeks
Stechford BM/STE CMSTE South Wessex Taunton BVH264 ECI 2 weeks
Tredegar TR SWTR North Scotland South East Scotland BVG142 ECI 2 weeks
Uddingston UAK WSUDD North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 Huawei 2 weeks
Uppingham UP EMUPPIN North North East Humber BVG242 ECI 2 weeks
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The 'Next releases' in the above cut & paste, wasn't quite correct. (Not sure where or why and I've not time to check). Here's the update ...........
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor Release
Adel ADO MYADE North North East West Yorkshire BVG236 ECI 2 weeks
Allesley ALJ CMALL South South Wales and South Midlands Coventry BVH115 ECI 2 weeks
Boness BVZ ESBON North Scotland Central Scotland BVG136 ECI 2 weeks
Combe Down ZEM SSCBD South Wessex Swindon BVH212 Huawei 2 weeks
Ebbw Vale EBY SWEBY South South Wales and South Midlands Cardiff BVH141 ECI 2 weeks
Hunmanby HBY MYHUM North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG228 ECI 2 weeks
Ilminster IL WWILMI South Wessex Taunton BVH264 ECI 2 weeks
Llanwnda LWA WNLWA North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 ECI 2 weeks
Melmerby MHZ MYMMB North North East Humber BVG243 Huawei 2 weeks
North Luffenham NFS EMNLUFF South East Anglia Peterborough BVH512 ECI 2 weeks
Pickering PDC MYPIC North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 Huawei 2 weeks
Sheriff Hutton XAH MYSHF North North East Humber BVG242 ECI 2 weeks
Stechford BM/STE CMSTE North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG445 ECI 2 weeks
Tredegar TR SWTR South South Wales and South Midlands Cardiff BVH141 ECI 2 weeks
Uddingston UAK WSUDD North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG158 Huawei 2 weeks
Uppingham UP EMUPPIN North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG433 ECI 2 weeks
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Thanks for the updates BS
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@Rizla.......all week this cab was showing March 2014.....I assume Glenfield is nearly complete?
No idea what's going on TBH. Our FTTC cab (and the one near the pub) has been powered up for the best part of two weeks but nobody can place any orders. Asked an Openreach guy who was working on the PCP last Wednesday and he said that the cab is finished - and that as far as he knew there is only one cab with work left to be done and that's over near the A50.
Hardly surprising that the FTTC rollout isn't achieving the takeup figures BT hoped for - to give you an example the guy next door is giving them until the end of the month (they're off on hols until then) and then he's ordering Virgin because BT Retail are telling him he can't have FTTC here until at least November. Seems somewhat farcical powering up a cab in July and not taking any orders for it for 4 months but I suppose it must make sense on planet BT ::)
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Your neighbour is lucky to have a choice ???
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@Rizla.......all week this cab was showing March 2014.....I assume Glenfield is nearly complete?
No idea what's going on TBH. Our FTTC cab (and the one near the pub) has been powered up for the best part of two weeks but nobody can place any orders. Asked an Openreach guy who was working on the PCP last Wednesday and he said that the cab is finished - and that as far as he knew there is only one cab with work left to be done and that's over near the A50.
Hardly surprising that the FTTC rollout isn't achieving the takeup figures BT hoped for - to give you an example the guy next door is giving them until the end of the month (they're off on hols until then) and then he's ordering Virgin because BT Retail are telling him he can't have FTTC here until at least November. Seems somewhat farcical powering up a cab in July and not taking any orders for it for 4 months but I suppose it must make sense on planet BT ::)
Just because the 'Cab is finished', according to some random Openreach engineer, does not mean that your mates down the pub can have FTTC. Just because you may be able to hear a cooling fan running in the same Cabs, again, does not mean you can have FTTC right now !!.
You've been on this forum long enough to know the 'Availability checkers' are in complete disarray. They are not to be believed, and we all know it.
There's always a lot of 'I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that", when it comes down to EU's. A pound to a pinch of salt, your neighbour will go with FTTC however much longer he has to wait ?? Why, if he has always had the choice of VM, has he not gone with them sooner ?? Because FTTC is the better product, and cheaper to boot if you can manage a bit of haggling.
Keep your eyes peeled on this thread to see the true 'go live' dates. Not the availability checkers.
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Regarding the neighbour - he moved to BT from Virgin because BT Retail assured him that "Infinity" would be here LAST YEAR and he signed up on that basis. They now say November which as far as I can tell does not appear in any publically available checker - they all say March 2014 - so either they're making it up again or they have sight of internal BT Wholesale data which they shouldn't have (Plusnet for example say its March 2014 when he phoned them). Anyway he'll do what he wants to do and its nothing to do with me.
Yes I know about availability checkers and they're a joke. They are "maintained" (I use the word in the loosest possible sense) by BT Wholesale/Openreach though so its nobody else's fault but their own if people get fed up of waiting and jump ship.
Makes no odds to me anyway, I'm going to skip this farce for now and save myself some pennies :)
Oh and "Keep your eyes peeled on this thread to see the true 'go live' dates. Not the availability checkers." - I did and you said the exchange went live on July 1 so not sure what you're on about there ;)
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I only posted up a 'Cut & Paste', Rizla. It stated that your Exchange had been 'Released'. The hierarchy don't just put information out like that for a bit of a larf. If it means your Cab hasn't yet been fully commissioned to take orders, then be patient, it should happen sooner rather than later.
If you and your neighbour do decide to give up, or look elsewhere, then I'd understand that it's down to frustration. Lets just hope your decision doesn't affect our share price too much ;) ?? I've a shed load of shares going into my account on the 01/08/13 from my first ever 5yr Sharesave. I've usually pulled the cash out of the scheme way before fruition.
Hope you change your mind, pal.
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Now released
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor
Allesley ALJ CMALL South South Wales and South Midlands Coventry BVH115 ECI
Boness BVZ ESBON North Scotland Central Scotland BVG136 ECI
Ebbw Vale EBY SWEBY South South Wales and South Midlands Cardiff BVH141 ECI
Hunmanby HBY MYHUM North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG228 ECI
Ilminster IL WWILMI South Wessex Taunton BVH264 ECI
Melmerby MHZ MYMMB North North East Humber BVG243 Huawei
Sheriff Hutton XAH MYSHF North North East Humber BVG242 ECI
Stechford BM/STE CMSTE North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG445 ECI
Tredegar TR SWTR South South Wales and South Midlands Cardiff BVH141 ECI
Next Releases
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor Release
Adel ADO MYADE North North East West Yorkshire BVG236 ECI 2 weeks
Bethesda BFP WNBT North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 ECI 2 weeks
Blantyre BTE WSBLA North Scotland South West Scotland BVG168 ECI 2 weeks
Chalfont St Giles CEL SMCG South East Anglia Hemel BVH574 Huawei 2 weeks
Churston YUH WWCHRS South Wessex Exeter BVH276 ECI 2 weeks
Collyhurst MR/COL MRCOL North North West North Manchester BVG325 ECI 2 weeks
Combe Down ZEM SSCBD South Wessex Swindon BVH212 Huawei 2 weeks
Cranhill GW/CRA WSCRA North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG158 ECI 2 weeks
Crofton ZEP MYCRF North North East West Yorkshire BVG237 ECI 2 weeks
Dolgellau DDF WNDOL North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG465 ECI 2 weeks
Gatley MR/GAT MRGAT North North West South Manchester BVG343 ECI 2 weeks
Great Ayton GCU NEGA North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 ECI 2 weeks
Great Wakering GDP EAGWK South East Anglia Southend BVH552 Huawei 2 weeks
Hatfield Woodhouse HTW SLHTW North North East South Yorkshire and Chesterfield BVG256 ECI 2 weeks
Irvine IE WSIRV North Scotland South West Scotland BVG161 ECI 2 weeks
Keynsham KAW SSKEY South South Wales and South Midlands Bristol BVH174 ECI 2 weeks
Llanwnda LWA WNLWA North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 ECI 2 weeks
Lodge Hill L/LDH LSLODH South South East Crayford BVH373 Huawei 2 weeks
Marylebone L/WEL WEWMAR South London West Central London BVH456 ECI 2 weeks
Pershore PU WMPER South South Wales and South Midlands Newport/Worcester BVH136 Huawei 2 weeks
Petersfield PCV SDPTRSF South South East West Downs BVH333 ECI 2 weeks
Pickering PDC MYPIC North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 Huawei 2 weeks
Port Dinorwic PES WNPTD North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 ECI 2 weeks
Queensbury QE MYQUE North North East West Yorkshire BVG232 ECI 2 weeks
Shaftesbury SFW STSHABY South Wessex Bournemouth BVH257 ECI 2 weeks
Sherburn SIA MYSBN North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG228 ECI 2 weeks
Somersham SLS EMSOSHM South East Anglia Peterborough BVH516 Huawei 2 weeks
St.Helens SBK LVSAI North North West Merseyside BVG353 ECI 2 weeks
Starbeck SRB MYSRB North North East Humber BVG243 Huawei 2 weeks
Sutton XUW NESUT North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 Huawei 2 weeks
Uddingston UAK WSUDD North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG158 Huawei 2 weeks
Waunfawr WZF WNWA North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 ECI 2 weeks
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I only posted up a 'Cut & Paste', Rizla. It stated that your Exchange had been 'Released'. The hierarchy don't just put information out like that for a bit of a larf. If it means your Cab hasn't yet been fully commissioned to take orders, then be patient, it should happen sooner rather than later.
If you and your neighbour do decide to give up, or look elsewhere, then I'd understand that it's down to frustration. Lets just hope your decision doesn't affect our share price too much ;) ?? I've a shed load of shares going into my account on the 01/08/13 from my first ever 5yr Sharesave. I've usually pulled the cash out of the scheme way before fruition.
Hope you change your mind, pal.
The cab was fully commissioned 13 days ago. Whatever is holding it up is either exchange problems (apparently not as one poster on this thread seemingly has VDSL service) or just basic incompetence regarding availability checkers/APIs. I tend to think its the latter as BT know they're the only game in town bar Virgin, so as usual they revert to type.
It also appears that I can only get 61/18* - kind of surprising given the FTTC cab distance of just over 130m - and I don't honestly see the point of paying 3-4 times the price for <3 times the speed. The kids don't use P2P and we don't do any of that online backup lunacy so upstream is less of an issue than you'd think.
FTTC is a bodge - take a look at most ISPs forums and watch the complaints about sync speed drop as more people use the same cab - so I think I'll save the pennies and see how much FTTP is going to cost. In addition pretty much all the major ISPs/punditry have started to focus on the bloody awful DLM recently so I think as I said I'll sit this out.
Your "cut'n'pastes" are much appreciated so keep them up.
*was originally 80/20; then 76/18; then 66/18 and now 61/18 (over the last 3 months) so I don't have a great deal of confidence in any of this.
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The 'Estimate' is just that ........ they always estimate on the lower side. I will bet you my Grandad's 'Prince Albert' that you'd get the full whack if you did sign up !!
I don't know anybody I've installed FTTC for, that is paying 3-4 times what they pay for ADSL !! I would say at least 60% are paying exactly the same as before, by agreeing to stay 'In contract' for another 12 months. The rest varies from £5 to £20 a month difference.
FTTC is far from a bodge, the idea is great, the technology constantly improving, and when 'Vectoring' becomes a reality after the trials, there'll be no more slow speed issues in relation to 'Crosstalk'. Ergo, 'The bloody awful DLM' will in turn not be as aggressive. The forums' gripes, are a very small percentage of the actual total users of the FTTC product.
I'm not sure about your FTTP comment ?? Are you talking about the 'On demand' FTTP where you will pay quite a chunk of cash to have this installed. Or, are you referring to VM's FTTK product which is nearly FTTP ??
Why would you want 330Meg (Obviously, not from VM) when you comment that you don't really entertain much broadband useage as a family unit ?? Why would you want to pay potentially thousands of pounds more, when you aren't happy paying a few more quid for a far superior product to what you have now ???
Seriously, I understand what you are saying about 'crosstalk'. However, at 130mts away from the Cab, you won't be affected in any noticeable way at all. You're working on the assumption that 'Your' Cab is going to be full and affect your circuit abysmally, yet you state that 'It's no surprise that the FTTC take-up hasn't been anywhere near the predictions' in an earlier post ???
Technology is improving all the time, it's not that long back (recent history) that we were using 56K modems. Give FTTC a chance and prove me wrong, or wait for FTTP(oD). But give it a go before you berate it, Rizla. Whether you have to wait another day, or another month for the orders to be taken ?? :)
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Currently I pay £6/mth for my ADSL2+ service as a broadband only Plusnet customer in a market 2 exchange.
(Phone with BT)
If I wanted FTTC and if it was available (maybe one day under BDUK) as I'm 109 meters from the cab I could take advantage of the full up to 80Mbps unlimited option at £22.50/mth
This is 3.75 times my current subscription rate and is in line with poster rizla's comments on pricing differentials.
Plusnet's restricted upto 40Mbps service with a 40GB usage/month limit is available at £18.50 being 3.1 times the cost of my current sub')
So yes FTTC (if it was available) would indeed cost me somewhere between 3 and 4 times my current monthly figure
At these prices even if it was available I would not be taking it.
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Thing is buddy that those estimates are now what is used to determine whats "acceptable" and what isn't - and basically the estimate says that its decreased 20Mbps in 3 months before they even turn it on.
Now I'm 95% sure that this line will do >100Mbps but that makes no odds when ANY ISP is going to use the estimated speed as the "signup speed".
Without vectoring it is a bodge. VHDSL was originally intended for FTTB where TP runs would be < 100m and it works very well in Sweden in that respect. Ultimately its a UTP cable feed in the UK with line lengths well over 200m so I'm sorry but it IS a bodge. The danger is that we're now stuck with this bodge for over a decade.
On demand FTTP is what I was referring to. Virgin's cab is further away than the new VDSL cab but of course they have coax feeds so it matters a lot less. For now Virgin stick with docsis nonsense but with Liberty Global then who knows, they have more cash on hand than BT. I know the Virgin cab here has Scientific Atlanta kit in it from the 1990s so there is significant scope for upgrades ;)
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Currently I pay £6/mth for my ADSL2+ service as a broadband only Plusnet customer in a market 2 exchange.
(Phone with BT)
If I wanted FTTC and if it was available (maybe one day under BDUK) as I'm 109 meters from the cab I could take advantage of the full up to 80Mbps unlimited option at £22.50/mth
This is 3.75 times my current subscription rate and is in line with poster rizla's comments on pricing differentials.
Plusnet's restricted upto 40Mbps service with a 40GB usage/month limit is available at £18.50 being 3.1 times the cost of my current sub')
So yes FTTC (if it was available) would indeed cost me somewhere between 3 and 4 times my current monthly figure
At these prices even if it was available I would not be taking it.
c6em ........ pick out the appropriate wording from my post, about agreeing to stay 'In contract'. I'm speaking from experience here, and the EU's are basically telling me that if you agree to an extention of the current contract you are on, then you basically get it for nothing, or next to nothing.
Failing that, tell your current ISP you're going to 'bitch about' to find the cheapest ISP offering FTTC. That usually stirs them into action. It's rather akin to good old SKY TV, I ring to tell them I'm cancelling to go to BT Vision, and they install SKY HD with 6 months half-price full HD package, and various 'Box Office' movie payments wiped from the then bill. All as long as I agree to a new 12 month contract.
If you can't negotiate, you're knackered.
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Rizla, I reiterate, you will benefit from the full 40/2, 40/10 or 80/20 product, if your line length is as you say.
I don't understand the jargon in the rest of the post, I'm afraid ?? I'm not that clued up with the engineering side of Fibre. :-[
Good luck with whoever you go with. :)
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Rizla, I reiterate, you will benefit from the full 40/2, 40/10 or 80/20 product, if your line length is as you say.
The thing is that the estimate is now what you are signing up to so the bottom line is that's what you are paying for. Nobody is going to look at a problem unless (AFAIK) its 50% below the estimate.
I'll pass I think, not all that keen on signing up to a moving target which (as per estimate) costs me nearly 4 times the headline price for less than 3 times the speed and is only going to degrade as more circuits are connected.
Anyway, enough said on this I reckon. You pays your money etc.... :)
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If it makes you feel any better rizla, and to show another side of the story - my distance to the fibre cab is just over 400m (by footpath, with BT duct covers regularly along the way). I have one of the Samknows whiteboxes constantly testing my connection which always reports back at around 69-70mb. And I reiterate, thats on a line thats in the 400m region. BT Checker estimates around 52mb.
We were one of the first on the cab (if not the first), and had fibre just over a year now. There's been no noticeable decrease in speeds nor latency over this time (except when I initially swapped from the ECI modem to the Huawei).
Paying Talktalk £18.25 a month for an 80mb unlimited service - again, just to get another side of the usual story - never had a problem with TT either. Been quite happy with the service.
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Sorry for late response, Rizla. With my super-fast FTTC connection, I whizzed straight past this thread. I'll make an effort to speak more slooooowly, for our hick cousins. ;) ;D ;D
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Cheers, biohead. The tenner's in the post, bud. :)
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If it makes you feel any better rizla, and to show another side of the story - my distance to the fibre cab is just over 400m (by footpath, with BT duct covers regularly along the way). I have one of the Samknows whiteboxes constantly testing my connection which always reports back at around 69-70mb. And I reiterate, thats on a line thats in the 400m region. BT Checker estimates around 52mb.
I do appreciate this and yeah the line can go faster than the estimate.
Howver with the risk of being repetitive :
I AM NOT SIGNING UP TO A MOVING TARGET WHICH HAS REDUCED BY 27% BEFORE THEY EVEN SUPPLY THE SERVICE.
As per the BT rules my line can go down to 30Mbps before its even considered faulty should I have FTTC.
Pull the other one it has bells on it.
4 times the price, less than 3 times the speed and a fault threshold that is near enough the speed I get now?
Good game if you're the one earning the money. Otherwise you'd have to be desperate or dumb. Or stupid.
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Been away from this for a while but I can now tell you that the neighbour has gone to Virgin, leaving no BT ADSL (or FTTC) customers on this street (52 houses). Sky has 16 houses, TalkTalk has 3, BT has zero. Stats come from BT Wholesale (best not to ask how). In fact its interesting to see that the ONLY house which has used other ADSL suppliers (Nildram, Zen, AAISP, Be) is mine.
OFCOM need to take some serious action ASAP or we´re back to the 1990s in terms of competition. They won´t as they are a puppet of BT and always will be..
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Interestingly, while cabinets have been springing up (apparently randomly) around my exchange area in the last 3 months there are no dates on the availability checker.
Suddenly today I found this for my line!
Telephone Number nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn on Exchange XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is served by Cabinet 1
Available Products Downstream Line Rate(Mbps) Upstream Line Rate(Mbps) Downstream Range(Mbps) Availability Date
WBC FTTC Up to 52.3 Up to 10.9 -- 31-Mar-14
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Lucky you ??? :P
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Been away from this for a while but I can now tell you that the neighbour has gone to Virgin, leaving no BT ADSL (or FTTC) customers on this street (52 houses). Sky has 16 houses, TalkTalk has 3, BT has zero. Stats come from BT Wholesale (best not to ask how). In fact its interesting to see that the ONLY house which has used other ADSL suppliers (Nildram, Zen, AAISP, Be) is mine.
OFCOM need to take some serious action ASAP or we´re back to the 1990s in terms of competition. They won´t as they are a puppet of BT and always will be..
Doesn't matter who their CP's are, they still pay us to deliver the service. I don't know what this information actually tells us ?? Are we saying that as this is the case on your street, it's happening on every street ?? I wouldn't have thought so, or we wouldn't be making the vast profits that we do.
What would you have Ofcom do, Rizla ?? What changes would you like to see ??
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Been away from this for a while but I can now tell you that the neighbour has gone to Virgin, leaving no BT ADSL (or FTTC) customers on this street (52 houses). Sky has 16 houses, TalkTalk has 3, BT has zero. Stats come from BT Wholesale (best not to ask how). In fact its interesting to see that the ONLY house which has used other ADSL suppliers (Nildram, Zen, AAISP, Be) is mine.
OFCOM need to take some serious action ASAP or we´re back to the 1990s in terms of competition. They won´t as they are a puppet of BT and always will be..
Hmmm I agree, all the old decent ISPs seem to be vanishing. But tbh rizla its not just BT now is it.
You mention in your post that no-one is with BT.. and indeed it would be the likes of Sky who are about to become the monopoly.
TBH I fear that the Murdoch empire may be more of a threat on decent broadband provision. We all know that they chipped away at satellite until they became the only provider, and now the prices are literally SKY high. Although I personally dont care much about sports TV, I am glad that BT are giving some competition to Sky.
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Been away from this for a while but I can now tell you that the neighbour has gone to Virgin, leaving no BT ADSL (or FTTC) customers on this street (52 houses). Sky has 16 houses, TalkTalk has 3, BT has zero. Stats come from BT Wholesale (best not to ask how). In fact its interesting to see that the ONLY house which has used other ADSL suppliers (Nildram, Zen, AAISP, Be) is mine.
OFCOM need to take some serious action ASAP or we´re back to the 1990s in terms of competition. They won´t as they are a puppet of BT and always will be..
Hmmm I agree, all the old decent ISPs seem to be vanishing. But tbh rizla its not just BT now is it.
You mention in your post that no-one is with BT.. and indeed it would be the likes of Sky who are about to become the monopoly.
TBH I fear that the Murdoch empire may be more of a threat on decent broadband provision. We all know that they chipped away at satellite until they became the only provider, and now the prices are literally SKY high. Although I personally dont care much about sports TV, I am glad that BT are giving some competition to Sky.
Apologies for not snipping quotes but I´m not at home.
The risk now kitz is that BT re-establish the bad old days as we´re now into sub-loop unbundling and frankly given the amount of taxpayers money BT is sucking up I think there´s a prime case for removing the sub-loop infrastructure from BT control.
Sky are, not to put too fine a point on it ******* in terms of competing with this and kudos to whoever in BT put the plan together. It is pure genius as not only do they screw over all the LLU investment made, they also get the taxpayer to fund more than 50% of the cost of the FTTC bodge. I do hope they´re getting the bonus they deserve.
Within 3 years there will be BT and Sky (and subbies like Plusnet who are BT). That´ll be it as nobody else can compete - and as Sky lose the TV revenues they will drop out too.
Then we´ll be back to the 1990s where the BT monopoly can do what it wants - ie sweet bugger all, just suck up the revenues.
[Edited for language - Admin]
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Been away from this for a while but I can now tell you that the neighbour has gone to Virgin, leaving no BT ADSL (or FTTC) customers on this street (52 houses). Sky has 16 houses, TalkTalk has 3, BT has zero. Stats come from BT Wholesale (best not to ask how). In fact its interesting to see that the ONLY house which has used other ADSL suppliers (Nildram, Zen, AAISP, Be) is mine.
OFCOM need to take some serious action ASAP or we´re back to the 1990s in terms of competition. They won´t as they are a puppet of BT and always will be..
Doesn't matter who their CP's are, they still pay us to deliver the service. I don't know what this information actually tells us ?? Are we saying that as this is the case on your street, it's happening on every street ?? I wouldn't have thought so, or we wouldn't be making the vast profits that we do.
What would you have Ofcom do, Rizla ?? What changes would you like to see ??
Remove the sub-loop from BT. Simple as that.
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............ and give it who ??
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............ and give it who ??
We The People!
Worked well for Railtrack!
Cheers a
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Not before my 55th birthday, I hope.
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GCHQ should take complete control of the BT Group! :P
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They probably already do... :)
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'We the people' do own it, thanks to Margaret. If BT do well, the shareholders do well.
It would be nice to let Bald Eagle run the company for a wee while, at least until he got FTTP (oD) installed !!!
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It would be nice to let Bald Eagle run the company for a wee while, at least until he got FTTP (oD) installed !!!
:o Very, very bad idea, commercially! :o
I would have them investigating faults thoroughly & getting them fixed in a timely manner.
The group would be bankrupt within 6 months.
(Unless they gave me FTTP (oD) in week one).
I'd then be like the rest - not giving a monkey's about anyone else :lol:
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He he ..... :lol:
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The following Exchanges are being released.
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor
Adel ADO MYADE North North East West Yorkshire BVG236 ECI
Blantyre BTE WSBLA North Scotland South West Scotland BVG168 ECI
Chalfont St Giles CEL SMCG South East Anglia Hemel BVH574 Huawei
Churston YUH WWCHRS South Wessex Exeter BVH276 ECI
Collyhurst MR/COL MRCOL North North West North Manchester BVG325 ECI
Combe Down ZEM SSCBD South Wessex Swindon BVH212 Huawei
Cranhill GW/CRA WSCRA North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG158 ECI
Dolgellau DDF WNDOL North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG465 ECI
Gatley MR/GAT MRGAT North North West South Manchester BVG343 ECI
Great Ayton GCU NEGA North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 ECI
Hatfield Woodhouse HTW SLHTW North North East South Yorkshire and Chesterfield BVG256 ECI
Irvine IE WSIRV North Scotland South West Scotland BVG161 ECI
Keynsham KAW SSKEY South South Wales and South Midlands Bristol BVH174 ECI
Llanwnda LWA WNLWA North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 ECI
Lodge Hill L/LDH LSLODH South South East Crayford BVH373 Huawei
Marylebone L/WEL WEWMAR South London West Central London BVH456 ECI
North Luffenham NFS EMNLUFF South East Anglia Peterborough BVH512 ECI
Pershore PU WMPER South South Wales and South Midlands Newport/Worcester BVH136 Huawei
Petersfield PCV SDPTRSF South South East West Downs BVH333 ECI
Pickering PDC MYPIC North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG227 Huawei
Port Dinorwic PES WNPTD North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 ECI
Queensbury QE MYQUE North North East West Yorkshire BVG232 ECI
Shaftesbury SFW STSHABY South Wessex Bournemouth BVH257 ECI
Sherburn SIA MYSBN North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG228 ECI
Somersham SLS EMSOSHM South East Anglia Peterborough BVH516 Huawei
Stamford Bridge SPS MYSBG North North East Humber BVG241 ECI
Starbeck SRB MYSRB North North East Humber BVG243 Huawei
Sutton XUW NESUT North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 Huawei
Uddingston UAK WSUDD North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG158 Huawei
Uppingham UP EMUPPIN North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG433 ECI
Waunfawr WZF WNWA North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 ECI
Next Releases
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor Release
Bethesda BFP WNBT North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 ECI 2 weeks
Cooden LPZ NDCOO South South East Central Downs BVH324 ECI 2 weeks
Crofton ZEP MYCRF North North East West Yorkshire BVG237 ECI 2 weeks
Cwm ZWM SWZWM South South Wales and South Midlands Cardiff BVH141 ECI 2 weeks
Daubhill DBL LCDAU North North West North Manchester BVG322 ECI 2 weeks
East Harlsey ELY NEEHL North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 ECI 2 weeks
East Layton EYO NEELA North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG225 Huawei 2 weeks
Kimberley KBR EMKIMBE North North Wales & North Midlands Derby & Nottingham BVG426 ECI 2 weeks
Market Drayton MFY WNMD North North Wales & North Midlands Stoke & Chester BVG472 ECI 2 weeks
Marlborough MGL SSMBH South Wessex Swindon BVH215 ECI 2 weeks
Rawmarsh RWM SLRWM North North East South Yorkshire and Chesterfield BVG255 ECI 2 weeks
Rock Ferry LV/ROC LVROC North North West Merseyside BVG357 ECI 2 weeks
Sherborne SHW WWSHER South Wessex Taunton BVH262 ECI 2 weeks
Skegness SKE EMSKGNS South East Anglia Peterborough BVH511 ECI 2 weeks
Spofforth SOS MYSPO North North East Humber BVG243 Huawei 2 weeks
St.Helens SBK LVSAI North North West Merseyside BVG353 ECI 2 weeks
Stillington XLO MYSTI North North East Humber BVG242 ECI 2 weeks
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Thanks BS, my exchange is on that list which might explain my earlier post (Saturday) saying I now have a "date". Still 31st March 2014 though. :'(
Any particular reason (or benefit/issue) for having Huawei when most currently seem to be ECI?
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;D I have no idea how the vendor is chosen, but I think you'll find most of this forums contributors on FTTC, prefer Huwaei. Especially, as it apparently has 'vectoring' capabilities within its build ?? I'm sure I read that somewhere on here, but apologies if it's incorrect.
Take the plunge sir, you'll not regret it. ;) :)
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Take the plunge sir, you'll not regret it. ;) :)
I've got to "escape" from Be/Sky first. :lol:
That will probably happen some time in the next few months, with PlusNet looking the best bet as then (hopefully) a subsequent FTTC migration "should" be relatively trouble-free. :-X
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Re: vectoring.
Neither of the current two types of DSLAM fitted to the FTTCs (Huawei SmartAX MA5616 and ECI Hi-FOCuS M41) are capable of vectoring. Both types of cabinet would need significant electronics upgrades (replacement of the DSLAMs) before that technique could be deployed. :(
I know that Asbokid will be able to expand on the details . . .
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I would refer my esteemed furry friend :friends: to the following http://www.scribd.com/doc/126007087/Huawei-SmartAX-MA5616-Hardware-Description-V800R310C00-02 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/126007087/Huawei-SmartAX-MA5616-Hardware-Description-V800R310C00-02) which I believe is the source [at Page 7, Section 1 Chassis] of the following statement "An MA5616 supports common and enhanced subracks. If an enhanced subrack is used, the control board, service boards, and software versions of the MA5616 V800R311 can be used to support the vectoring function" ;) ;D
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Ah yes, the subrack. So that item of hardware needs to be retro-fitted to the SmartAX MA5616s and then Huawei equipped cabinets will be capable of supporting vectoring.
Thank you, ColinS. :)
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'We the people' do own it, thanks to Margaret. If BT do well, the shareholders do well.
Actually, BS, you might remember that 'we, the people' used to own it before Margaret. Now, as you say, it's the shareholders who do, who are at best a small subset of 'we, the people'. :P ;)
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Ha ha, a "Small subset" it may be, but it isn't an exclusive club and anybody from Joe Public can join in. This not only gives you 'share votes' on business agenda's, but also gives you a decent mid to long term return on your cash. Of course, shares can go down as well as up, and this has been well-proven with BT of old, but things are looking all rosy in the garden for the near future. ;) :P ;D
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Of course. Now all I need is someone to explain the benefits of buying back something I used to own, when I got nothing out of the sale in the first place? Oh no, I did! I got to keep some rock somewhere in the South Atlantic, but no doubt FTTP will be arriving there any minute! :lol: ;)
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It would be nice to let Bald Eagle run the company for a wee while, at least until he got FTTP (oD) installed !!!
:o Very, very bad idea, commercially! :o
I would have them investigating faults thoroughly & getting them fixed in a timely manner.
The group would be bankrupt within 6 months.
(Unless they gave me FTTP (oD) in week one).
I'd then be like the rest - not giving a monkey's about anyone else :lol:
:lol:
I think my neighbour can hear me laughing :lol:
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Of course. Now all I need is someone to explain the benefits of buying back something I used to own, when I got nothing out of the sale in the first place? Oh no, I did! I got to keep some rock somewhere in the South Atlantic, but no doubt FTTP will be arriving there any minute! :lol: ;)
:) You don't really think you 'owned' it before, do you ?? Just like we didn't really own 'Northern Rock' when it had a run. Now, with shareholdings, I have in my hand a piece of paper (something always good happens when a sentence is started in this way :)), that tells me I really do own a part of BT PLC !! ;)
Yes, they already have 'Fibre To The Penguin' installed, down in the Falklands. ;D
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:) You don't really think you 'owned' it before, do you ??
Depends upon what you think 'it' was ... it's a generational thing; but I do seem to recollect some quote from somebody called Macmillan, something about 'selling off the family silver'. Let's leave it at that. :D
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The following Exchanges are being released.
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor
BETHESDA BFP WNBT North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG466 Huawei
CROFTON ZEP MYCRF North North East West Yorkshire BVG237 ECI
CWM ZWM SWZWM South South Wales and South Midlands Cardiff BVH141 ECI
DAUBHILL DBL LCDAU North North West North Manchester BVG322 ECI
EAST HARLSEY ELY NEEHL North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 ECI
EAST LAYTON EYO NEELA North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG225 Huawei
GREAT WAKERING GDP EAGWK South East Anglia Southend BVH552 Huawei
HOLLAND- ON- SEA HNZ EAHOL South East Anglia Colchester & Ipswich BVH535 ECI
KIMBERLEY KBR EMKIMBE North North Wales & North Midlands Derby & Nottingham BVG426 ECI
MARLBOROUGH MGL SSMBH South Wessex Swindon BVH215 ECI
RAWMARSH RWM SLRWM North North East South Yorkshire and Chesterfield BVG255 ECI
SHERBORNE SHW WWSHER South Wessex Taunton BVH262 ECI
SPOFFORTH SOS MYSPO North North East Humber BVG243 Huawei
ST. HELENS SBK LVSAI North North West Merseyside BVG353 ECI
STILLINGTON, NORTH YORKSHIRE XLO MYSTI North North East Humber BVG243 ECI
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor New
Skegness SKE EMSKGNS South East Anglia Peterborough BVH511 ECI New
Abertillery ABD SWABD South South Wales and South Midlands Newport Severnside BVH131 ECI New
Rumford RUO WWRUMF South Wessex Truro BVH286 ECI New
Croft COT NECOT North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 Huawei New
Garstang GAE LCGAR North North West Cumbria BVG317 dual New
Castle Bytham CCP EMCABYT South East Anglia Peterborough BVH512 ECI New
Rock Ferry LV/ROC LVROC North North West Merseyside BVG357 ECI New
Beamish QHR NEBEA North North East Northumberland & Wearside BVG217 ECI New
Cooden LPZ NDCOO South South East Central Downs BVH324 ECI New
Market Drayton MFY WNMD North North Wales & North Midlands Stoke & Chester BVG472 ECI New
Next Releases
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM NAME CST NAME LCM OUC Vendor Release
Shildon SII NESH North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG225 ECI 2 weeks
Slaithwaite SKN MYSLA North North East West Yorkshire BVG23A ECI 2 weeks
Tavistock TV WWTAVI South Wessex Exeter BVH277 ECI 2 weeks
Wickham WIH SDWCKHM South South East West Downs BVH333 ECI 2 weeks
Ingatestone IG EAING South East Anglia Southend BVH558 Huawei 2 weeks
Springfield BM/SPR CMSPR North North Wales & North Midlands Birmingham & Black Country BVG445 ECI 2 weeks
Glenboig GLG WSGLG North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG154 ECI 2 weeks
Great Smeaton GDM NEGS North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG226 ECI 2 weeks
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I think our local exchange is not being updated until end 2014 / 2015 ...from My ISP (RFS 1.9.2013 ! From exchange details) ?.
My line comes from my local exchange to a 'green' connection box in our village (4Kl), then it comes to my house underground (0.7Kl).
1. Once the exchange has fibre is it rolled out to all the locations it serves or are these date's when the FTTC is made live.
2. Will my line equipment then be in the FTTC cabinet ?.
3. Will my service be updated for the same price ?, or will I have to order a new product from Eclipse my ISP ?.
4. What if I want FTTH ?, would I have to ask my ISP ?.
I'm learning fast about Fibre ;D
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1. The date given is the exchange date and not all cabs may be live. Ive heard in some areas they may do the more remote cabs first, but around here they did those nearest the exchange first and anything more than about 1.5miles still isnt live yet. I guess it depends on cable routing and how difficult it is to lay fibre to the individual cabinets.
2. Yes the DSLAM will be in the FTTC cab
3. You will have to order a new product which is slightly dearer than adsl. Theres 2 prices based on 'up to' speed 40/10 and 80/20. Theres also currently a connection fee, usually around £50, but some ISPs such as plusnet may wave this depending on which package you select.
4. You'll need to do a bit more digging on this as it would have to be "FTTP on demand"... which would require your ISPs intervention. Last time I looked (a while ago now) there was no guide pricing for FTTP on demand as it requires surveys and planning by BT. FTTP on demand needs FTTC to already be in the area.
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Slight edit on Kitz otherwise perfect insight into Fibre Broadband .......... there is a 3rd, and lesser product available. That is 40/2 Meg. :P ;D
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The other evening I saw contractors working underground in our village, at first it looked like they were clearing drains - lots of water.
Turns out they were blowing (well pumping I guess, or clearing ducts) fibre for BT, so hopefully some of our FTTC cabinets will be live soon. :)
(Exchange was on the "released" list a few posts back)
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Hopefully soon then HP
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@ HP,
Around here BT do use subcontractors to rod and then repair ducts (and sometimes damage existing cables) but they only use their own staff, including a man & wife team, to pull sub duct and then blow the actual fibre.
You can get a rough idea of the work planning process by using the web site:-
http://www.elgin.org.uk/
specifying your area and radius but you MUST tick the Planned works in the top RH box as shown below.
It can be unreliable particularly if your area was originally installed with the more fragile salt glazed pipe ducts as nobody seems unduly concerned if the break them.
Once punctured tree roots colonise the duct for a plentiful supply of water.
This is the text for a typical fibre install:-
The Street, Wonersh, Guildford, Surrey
Works Start: 27 Aug
End: 27 Aug
Medium impact, delays possible
Location : Outside the Old Store The Street to junction Cranleigh Road...
Description: Access to Jointing chambers to provide new fibre cable off peak 09.30-15.30
Current status: Advanced planning
Kind regards,
Walter
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The following Exchanges are being released.
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM Name CST Name LCM OUC Vendor
AVONMOUTH AGZ SSAVO South South Wales and South Midlands Bristol BVH176 Huawei
CRICCIETH COK WNCRI North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG465 Huawei
EAST LEAKE ELE EMESTLE North North Wales & North Midlands Derby & Nottingham BVG422 ECI
EMPINGHAM EDN EMEMPIN South East Anglia Peterborough BVH512 ECI
LEOMINSTER LDS WNLEO North North Wales & North Midlands Mid Wales & Shrewsbury BVG494 ECI
LONGRIDGE LMT LCLON North North West Cumbria BVG317 Huawei
OAKHAM OK EMOAKHA North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG433 ECI
SLOANE L/SLO WRSLO South London London Thameside BVH434 ECI
WHITWELL ON THE HILL VWW MYWOH North North East Durham & Tees Valley BVG228 Huawei
Next Releases
Exchange Name 1141 SAUID Directorate GM Name CST Name LCM OUC Vendor Release
ARMADALE AJE ESARM North Scotland South East Scotland BVG146 ECI 2 weeks
BOSHAM QCO SDBSHM South South East West Downs BVH334 ECI 2 weeks
BRIDGNORTH BNS CMBRI North North Wales & North Midlands Mid Wales & Shrewsbury BVG492 ECI 2 weeks
BROWNHILLS BRU CMBRU North North Wales & North Midlands Stoke & Chester BVG477 Huawei 2 weeks
CASTLE DONINGTON CCU EMCASTL North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG436 ECI 2 weeks
CHELSEA L/FLA WRCHEL South London London Thameside BVH433 Huawei 2 weeks
DINGWALL DGB NSDGW North Scotland Highlands & Islands BVG115 ECI 2 weeks
HOUGHTON REGIS HUR SMHUR South East Anglia Luton BVH586 ECI 2 weeks
LIBERTON EH/LIB ESLIB North Scotland South East Scotland BVG148 ECI 2 weeks
MALMESBURY MBB SSMAL South Wessex Swindon BVH214 ECI 2 weeks
OKEHAMPTON ON WWOKEH South Wessex Exeter BVH277 ECI 2 weeks
SCOTTER XDS SLXDS North North East Humber BVG245 Huawei 2 weeks
SOUTH KENSINGTON L/KEN WRSKEN South London London Thameside BVH434 ECI 2 weeks
WESTGATE WFO NDWES South South East East Downs BVH311 ECI 2 weeks
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Description : Install 2m of 1 way power duct in Footway,Install 5m of 1 way poly duct in Footway,Performing an 1excavation to expose existing power cable in Footway,Provide 1 Provide/Recover 1 NGA Cab and base (1.5m x 0.5m).
Could this mean a FTTC instation?
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Yes, it certainly lists all the necessary actions to provision a FTTC.
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Yes, it certainly lists all the necessary actions to provision a FTTC.
May have Fibre for Christmas then.
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The following Exchanges were released :-
Exchange 1141 SAUID Directorate GM Name CST Name LCM OUC Vendor
ARMADALE AJE ESARM North Scotland South East Scotland BVG146 ECI
BOSHAM QCO SDBSHM South South East West Downs BVH334 ECI
BRIDGNORTH BNS CMBRI North North Wales & North Midlands Mid Wales & Shrewsbury BVG492 dual
BROWNHILLS BRU CMBRU North North Wales & North Midlands Stoke & Chester BVG477 Huawei
CASTLE DONINGTON CCU EMCASTL North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG436 ECI
CHELSEA L/FLA WRCHEL South London London Thameside BVH433 Huawei
DINGWALL DGB NSDGW North Scotland Highlands & Islands BVG115 ECI
EDINBURGH LIBERTON EH/LIB ESLIB North Scotland South East Scotland BVG148 ECI
HOUGHTON REGIS HUR SMHUR South East Anglia Luton BVH586 ECI
MALMESBURY MBB SSMAL South Wessex Swindon BVH214 ECI
MANTON MTJ EMMNTON North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG433 ECI
SCOTTER XDS SLXDS North North East Humber BVG245 Huawei
SOUTH KENSINGTON L/KEN WRSKEN South London London Thameside BVH434 dual
WESTGATE WFO NDWES South South East East Downs BVH311 ECI
Next Releases
Exchange 1141 SAUID Directorate GM Name CST Name LCM OUC Vendor Release
ABERSOCH ABR WNASO North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG465 Huawei 2 weeks
BELTON QWW EMBLLTO North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG433 ECI 2 weeks
BLAENAU FFESTINIOG BIH WNBFF North North Wales & North Midlands North Wales BVG465 Huawei 2 weeks
BRYNMAWR BSE SWBSE South South Wales and South Midlands Newport Severnside BVH131 ECI 2 weeks
COTTESMORE CMS EMCOTTE South East Anglia Peterborough BVH512 ECI 2 weeks
DURSLEY DFG SSDSY South South Wales and South Midlands Bristol BVH171 Huawei 2 weeks
HORTON BANK QDU MYHBK North North East West Yorkshire BVG232 ECI 2 weeks
MORCOTT MUI EMMORCO North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG433 ECI 2 weeks
RHIWDERIN RWI SWRWI South South Wales and South Midlands Newport Severnside BVH133 Huawei 2 weeks
ROCKINGHAM RES EMROCKI South South Wales and South Midlands Northampton BVH161 Huawei 2 weeks
THISTLETON TSN EMTHIST South East Anglia Peterborough BVH512 ECI 2 weeks
THORNLY PARK GW/THO WSTHO North Scotland West Central Scotland BVG156 ECI 2 weeks
WHISSENDINE WDI EMWHISS North North Wales & North Midlands Leicester BVG433 ECI 2 weeks
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Going to constantly watch this page for the Rye exchange fttc to go live ;D
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You can subscribe to this thread by clicking 'notify' towards the top right. That way, (as long as you have set email prefs in your profile) you will be emailed as soon as BS adds more info :)
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You can subscribe to this thread by clicking 'notify' towards the top right. That way, (as long as you have set email prefs in your profile) you will be emailed as soon as BS adds more info :)
Have done that thanks :)
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Yes, it certainly lists all the necessary actions to provision a FTTC.
May have Fibre for Christmas then.
Looks like you were correct as they are all over our village diging holes, trenches and pulling cables.
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Looks like you were correct as they are all over our village diging holes, trenches and pulling cables.
:thumbs:
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Apologies for lack of action here, but the format its delivered in has changed. Hope the following makes sense ??
Super-fast Fibre Access Enabled exchanges
30/09/13
SAUID Exchange Name Fibre
THBL BRAMLEY FTTC
THCH CHOBHAM FTTC
THED ELSTEAD FTTC
NDGOD GODSTONE FTTC
LSNUT NUTFIELD RIDGE FTTC
THOL OAKWOOD HILL FTTC
NDOXT OXTED FTTC
MYPBG PATELEY BRIDGE FTTC
MYRIL RILLINGTON FTTC/P
MYSNN SNAINTON FTTC
MYBOR BOROUGHBRIDGE FTTC
MYKMS KIRKBY MOORSIDE FTTC/P
MYSET SETTLE FTTC/P
NECC CATTERICK CAMP FTTC
NEOC OLD CATTERICK FTTC
THDC DEEPCUT FTTC
26/09/13
SAUID Exchange Name Fibre
WNPDD PENRHYNDEUDRAETH FTTC/P
EMBELGR BELGRAVE FTTC
NEBR BIRTLEY FTTC
LCCHA CHATBURN FTTC/P
SLCBR CONISBROUGH FTTC
WWOKEH OKEHAMPTON FTTC
MYSTO STOCKTON-ON-FOREST FTTC
19/09/13
SAUID Exchange Name Fibre
SWRWI RHIWDERIN FTTC/P
WNASO ABERSOCH FTTC/P
WSALL ALLOWAY FTTC
ESBRO BROXBURN FTTC
MYDAR DARLEY FTTC/P
MYEAO EASINGWOLD FTTC/P
WMHAG HAGLEY FTTC
WNOAK OAKENGATES FTTC
SMOY OLNEY FTTC
NERN RICHMOND; NORTH YORKSHIRE FTTC/P
SDSTBBN STUBBINGTON FTTC
12/09/13
SAUID Exchange Name Fibre
NEAW ALNWICK FTTC
CMBEAR BEARWOOD FTTC
EMBLLTO BELTON FTTC/P
SWBSE BRYNMAWR FTTC
EMCOTTE COTTESMORE FTTC/P
SSDSY DURSLEY FTTC
WSTHO GLASGOW THORNLY PARK FTTC/P
MYHBK HORTON BANK FTTC
EMMORCO MORCOTT FTTC/P
EMROCKI ROCKINGHAM FTTC
LVRNE RUNCORN EAST FTTC
EMTHIST THISTLETON FTTC/P
EMWHISS WHISSENDINE FTTC
05/09/13
SAUID Exchange Name Fibre
ESARM ARMADALE FTTP
SDBSHM BOSHAM FTTC
CMBRI BRIDGNORTH FTTC
CMBRU BROWNHILLS FTTC
EMCASTL CASTLE DONINGTON FTTC
WRCHEL CHELSEA FTTC
NSDGW DINGWALL FTTC
ESLIB EDINBURGH LIBERTON FTTC
SMHUR HOUGHTON REGIS FTTC
SSMAL MALMESBURY FTTC
EMMNTON MANTON FTTC/P
SLXDS SCOTTER FTTC
WRSKEN SOUTH KENSINGTON FTTC
NDWES WESTGATE FTTC/P
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Thanks BS. Im sure most people will be able to gather the required information easily despite the format. :)
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Thanks BS. Im sure most people will be able to gather the required information easily despite the format. :)
I'm wondering if there is any formatting present? If so just use code tags, before and after, to preserve it . . . :-\
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I assumed BS meant the format of output style as opposed to formatted text?
The new format style doesnt include as much information, but now seems to also include FTTP.
There is still enough info for most people to see the exchange name though :)
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I was just wondering if the textual material was aligned in columns by the usage of tab characters and the lack of code or quote tags was allowing the forum software to compress all white space down to one space character . . . :angel:
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I dont think the quote tags (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/Themes/KitzBlue/images/bbc/quote.gif)would work.
code (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/Themes/KitzBlue/images/bbc/code.gif) may though
test test test test test
this is a tab test
to see if it works
yes it does work :)
test test test test test
this is a tab test
to see if it works
no it doesn't. As with normal text, it just converts a tab to a space
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How acurate are these dates?
My exchange dates keep changing and one system say one date and another something else.
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Gentlefolk,
Our experiences in Surrey suggest the dates are accurate as far as the exchange and SOME of the PCPs. E.g. Bramley is officially available but PCPs 9 & 10 now have RFS dates of December 2013 but they were September 2013 until around September 29.
The BT Wholesale checker for a BT friendly number (NOT e.g. CarPhoneWarehouse**) seems a little better but upon occasion it delays RFS dates 1 month every month. It can also go into sulk mode when the capacity has been exhausted - in Ewhurst for around 80 days this summer & autumn.
** the address checker seems just as accurate for CPW numbers adjacent to neighbours with friendly numbers.
Note also the the checker doesn't mention FTTC data for those on an enabled PCP but have substandard lines as decided by BT.
As many will realise FTTC deployment is being politically managed very carefully but there are differences between e.g Surrey CC and the BT Wholesale checker. Surrey say that they hope that the whole of the Surrey intervention areas will be complete by December 2013. Many will recognise that is quite preposterous, despite the valiant efforts of BT and their subcontractors. Currently Shere PCPs 1 to 6 don't have any RFS dates and only PCPs 2 & 3 are physically installed. Abinger has RFS dates of December for PCPs 1 & 6, March 2014 for 5 and nothing for 2, 3 & 4.
Kind regards,
Walter
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It clearly goes in stages.
We had a couple of cabinets appear a while back, then some more, then a "live" date was produced here.
But I don't know of anyone connected yet, though I have seen some fibre pulling over the summer.
In fact today I saw contractors pulling fibre to the first cabinet installed, which is also the nearest to the exchange, so maybe someone is about to get lucky? :-X
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@HPs,
In our experience the BT Wholesale checker has never said a number & it's associated cabinet is ready if it is not so. This makes good sense as all ISPs, who I believe have access to the identical data, must have accurate records to avoid the ordering chaos ( and customer angst) which would ensue if there were many errors.
My trick for finding out if a particular cabinet is RFS is to consult the Good Pub guide and other internet "Find a business etc." Web sites sometimes linking them to postcodes. Almost invariably you can find a phone number associated with the PCP so that's a good estimate of the situation. The other way is to keep a local spy watch for the hoards of BT and subcontractor vans stopping by, especially when you see the yellow inverter boxes and modems present.
Kind regards,
Walter
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What does this mean in relation to FTTC availablity?
Other systems say November 2013 and March 2014, confused !!!
SOURCE: https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html
EDIT: just checked BT Infinity
Great News! You can get superfast fibre optic BT Infinity
"http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when" Says Comming Soon
So it looks like i could order it, Do you agree?
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maybe someone is about to get lucky? :-X
And it looks like it might be me! :P
My neighbour rang BT the other day to cancel his now superfluous separate fax line and they tried to sell him BT Infinity (he's on Bethere like me) saying it would be available at the end of the month!
Previously it was end March 2014, but now shows as end November 2013. 8)
FTTC Range A (Clean) 52.3 52.3 10.9 10.9 -- 30-Nov-13
FTTC Range B (Impacted) 52.3 52.3 10.9 10.9 -- 30-Nov-13
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Looks like we are in the same situation, I also just checked Sky Fibre checker I can upgrade.
Now do I stay with Sky or go to BT?
Any advice on what BT Fibre is like?
What I like about BT is the amount of free hotspots, could be handy when GeoCaching :) But I said I would never go back to BT and Sky have been great.
Decisions Decisions !!!
@HP Is your exchange listed here:
https://twitter.com/Openreach_news
I don't think mine is.
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shows as end November 2013.
Sadly no more, as of today it's moved back a month to 31st December 2013. :'(
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::)Hi
Please do not be to upset as it is only a few days to December and you are still in Phase 2 if you live in Surrey.
All you have to do is check the Surrey Post Code for the numbers in the (intervention group)
As the Bt commercial section does not advertise the Poste Codes just check on your number and trust in the information that is displayed.
My line is in the BT commercial section and the data was changed today because Openreach has not finished yet and signed the work to BT wholesale.
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What does it say here:
https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html
I think that is the most uptodate data.
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@ BB,
I agree the BT Wholesale link is more reliable but even that can be optimistic. E.g. Blackheath, Surrey PCP 10 ex THBL Bramley has a RFS date of 31 Dec 2013 but the Elgin Roadworks site already has BT planned fibre-related works for the latter half of February 2014. In these cases the RFS date is usually postponed a month at a time. Capacity issues also make a FTTC "disappear" sometimes for months on end. E.g. The commercial deployment of PCP 20 in Ewhurst ex THCN Cranleigh was AWOL for over 80 days.
IMHO the SCC website is confusing and sometimes gives false information as it disregards the laws of physics even including postcodes for D side line lengths of over 2 km. The postcode dates are sometimes just wishful thinking E.g. THSE Shere is supposedly RFS by 31December 2103 but FTTC isn't even mentioned on the BT Wholesale web site for any of the 6 PCPs. These will also suffer further delays as BT's policy is to install e.g. Huawei 288 cabinets for SCC fully equipped but with only a single duct and one set of 100 pr tie cables.
Kind regards,
Walter
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I now have fibre but someone I know who lives between my cabinet and the exchange can't get it.
He is closer to my cabinet and the exchange than I am, but I think he is connected to one of the small BT (very old) cabinets numbered "1".
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Similar oddities in my area.
One of my friends, who lives about 300 yards further away from the exchange than me has fibre - installed on Friday 27th Dec in fact!
Our date has gone back again to 31st March 2014 - where it was when it first appeared.
Oddly we too are on cabinet #1 on our exchange. I presume they are doing the more distant ones first.
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@HP,
The deployment order usually starts from the fibre aggregation point often choosing ongoing routes that are not blocked or jammed full of cables using a larger multi-tube "cable". That often drops down to a smaller one on longer ones, down to the smallest being a quad-tube one feeding two in-line cabinets as the maximum. Obviously a cabinet can't be commissioned before there are continuous tubes all the way back to the aggregation point / distribution node.
RFS dates seem to jump by 3 months for installations, but can just as easily complete much earlier. Capacity issues seem to jump by a single month, but again can complete earlier or get postponed yet again. All that is reasonably certain is that FTTC services will become available at some point, once any date is actually announced. If you are one of the unfortunates on longer D side lines don't forget to try a number much closer to the FTTC as it's tough luck for the very long ones, but the shorter ones will always have a RFS date once the FTTC is nearly completed.
Kind regards,
Walter
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OK, thanks for that explanation.
I "think" I know where my cabinet is (by entering other local phone numbers I know into the checker and seeing who is on the same one).
It's on the corner at the bottom of my road - about 350 metres away and I have every reason to think the cables run pretty straight underground along my road to a manhole by the pole opposite my house.
The FTTC cabinet is actually the other side of the (mainish) road my road joins and I remember seeing engineers digging trenches/ducts across the main road a while back and more recently (Kelly?) engineers feeding cables that I thought were fibre.
My ADSL reports 22dB attenuation, so "about" 1.6km line length in total. The cabinet is maybe 600 metres by road from the exchange so there's a degree of "slack" in there somewhere - and no obvious alternate routes.
My FTTC "clean" speed estimates are: 72.7 high 54.6 low (20/16.3 up), not sure what that suggests in terms of distance from the cabinet.
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Dont take any notice of the RFS dates its all rubish.
Mine was October then moved to December then moved to March 2014, but I had it installed in December 2013.
Oddly we too are on cabinet #1 on our exchange. I presume they are doing the more distant ones first.
Dont, although mine is cabinet 14 it is the 2nd from the exchange and No 1 being the first, it is 14 due to being the last one to be installed in the area as a result of a new housing development.
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Dont take any notice of the RFS dates its all rubbish.
I sincerely hope so, ours has just been updated from 31st March to 31st December! >:D
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Dont take any notice of the RFS dates its all rubbish.
I sincerely hope so, ours has just been updated from 31st March to 31st December! >:D
Mine too, Old Costessey in Norfolk, early this week it was still showing 31/3 now its 31/12, BT Openreach deserves to be shut down for the incompetent way they handle customer information.
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120 miles from me; makes you wonder what on earth they are up to to suddenly jump 9 months. :-X
Maybe they've just had a bulk "reprioretisation" based on some central budget change or sales figures?
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We're secretly having fun at the EU's expense, and at a loss to our 'Bottom line'. We really don't want anyone to have access to our FTTC/P infrastructure after spending millions and millions of pounds on it, so we deliberate put out mis-information to alienate Joe Public.
Either that, or one of the thousands of issues that can affect the actual service delivery date, has been affected in some way ?? I still think it's the former ? ;) ;D
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Just done a bit more digging, if i use postcode to search the wholesale checker I still get 31/3/2014 as available date but if i used (the allegedly more accurate) phone number I get 31/12. As far as I know all users in the postcode are on the same cabinet.
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Postcode checker for me, and all immediately adjacent postcodes, shows NO FTTC at all! :o
I know the cabinet is there, I've seen the fibre being pulled to it and others further away, and some cabinets on our exchange are definitely live including the one an equal distance from my house but in the opposite direction to mine (further from the exchange). ???
That said we do have a major flooding problem in the car park and fields right next to our exchange, with pumps still going 24*7 through 6" pipes to the river a way downstream. Maybe they're just leaving it all alone for now, or don't want to open any ducts.
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I was told by an engineer not long ago that the Cab 11 on Follgate Lane (which Im connected to) is definitely a secondary Cab 11, fed from the primary Cab 11 on The Street (near the new Fibre cab) and as such those on the secondary will be able to get fibre, albeit at a slower speed.
Ive been trying to find out why the date has been put back again, as far as I can tell by the gentle humming coming from it there is power to the cab so Im guessing they are waiting for a fibre connection, I can imaging the ducting round there is pretty ropey so I keep checking for any planned roadwork sites for any info that may hold a clue.
Fingers Crossed for a sudden show of "Available Now"
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Not sure I've picked the right thread, but I just decided to check my FTTC availability, which was showing as 31st Dec 2014 last week.
Given we have some live cabinets on my exchange I was hoping for a more accurate estimate.
31st December 2015. >:D
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noooooooooooooooo :'(
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Great, having watched my fibre go live date get bumped for the past 3 years the availability checker is now not even showing fibre at all. Ridiculous, the cabinet was upgraded over a month ago, available date was estimated as 31st Dec 14. Was expecting yet another 3 month bump but now nothing.
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Seems it was a temporary glitch while the fibre rollout team cranked up the random number generator to create some new date estimates.
Three month bump (as expected). The date has now slipped 7 times and is more than three years since their original estimate.
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:no:
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Ongoing saga continues, cabinet installed end of last year. Nothing happened for three months, then they dig up a small section of road to clear a blocked duct. Then nothing for a month. Roadworks showed a work order to access an underground tunnel which was meant to be completed earlier this week. That day came and went without any indication that work was carried out. Then a couple of days ago another roadworks notification showing the exact same underground tunnel work for early May. Guess they hit a problem with the tunnel first time around.
So in summary no sign of a firm go live date. In the meantime friends who live in the middle of nowhere are getting closer to their go live dates. So it seems that the pressure on BT to deliver broadband to the countryside has worked at the cost of slowing down remedial work in towns with exchanges that are already enabled.
Rural broadband is important, but all customers should be treated equally, BT should not be allowed to manipulate work priority based on arbitrary targets set by government departments. BT should not be allowed to push back work for years on end because it's inconvenient.
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If that is the case then I agree that you have every right to feel miffed.
Does sound like they hit a some sort of physical problem, they are unlikely to go through the application of planning & roadworks process and then not at least attempt to carry it out on the scheduled date.
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Rural broadband is important, but all customers should be treated equally, BT should not be allowed to manipulate work priority based on arbitrary targets set by government departments. BT should not be allowed to push back work for years on end because it's inconvenient.
Rather than being inconvenient it sounds like efficient project management. You come across a problem so rather than waste time and resources trying to sort it in situ as you go - instead go away and do some other job(s) which can be done while you evaluate options to solve the original issue.
To contrast with your delays - I'm not getting FTTC from BT at all.
Yes, that means my cab is not in the BDUK program or the SEP extension program - so that is no superfast BB today, tomorrow, next year or maybe ever.
In practice I'd expect my cab 'might' be upgraded sometime post BDUK - say 2017 to 2022.
I'm 7 miles from a city centre in the Southern half of UK in a rural village - not half way up a welsh mountain.
...and the cab serves around 180 to 200 houses.
Why you ask?
Most probably because the cab geographical service area is very large so only a relatively small number of residents would get a true superfast service. So not until the next gen stuff like FTTdp or FTTRN arrives will I get SF from BT.
(Oh yes, and I'm 100 yards from the said cab!)
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Rural broadband is important, but all customers should be treated equally, BT should not be allowed to manipulate work priority based on arbitrary targets set by government departments. BT should not be allowed to push back work for years on end because it's inconvenient.
Rather than being inconvenient it sounds like efficient project management. You come across a problem so rather than waste time and resources trying to sort it in situ as you go - instead go away and do some other job(s) which can be done while you evaluate options to solve the original issue.
To contrast with your delays - I'm not getting FTTC from BT at all.
Yes, that means my cab is not in the BDUK program or the SEP extension program - so that is no superfast BB today, tomorrow, next year or maybe ever.
In practice I'd expect my cab 'might' be upgraded sometime post BDUK - say 2017 to 2022.
I'm 7 miles from a city centre in the Southern half of UK in a rural village - not half way up a welsh mountain.
...and the cab serves around 180 to 200 houses.
Why you ask?
Most probably because the cab geographical service area is very large so only a relatively small number of residents would get a true superfast service. So not until the next gen stuff like FTTdp or FTTRN arrives will I get SF from BT.
(Oh yes, and I'm 100 yards from the said cab!)
Very frustrating, do you have a similar issue with mobile coverage (also driven by population density)?
As for the project management aspect, sorry can't really agree. Yes it would be good project management to move a difficult task off the critical path if it is possible to complete it at a later date. This is bad & lazy project management: replan and move that task eight times over three years, each time you fail to complete it moving it along another 3 to 6 months.
I can understand that BT have a finite amount of resource and a finite amount of capital but it seems their prioritisation of work is based on a system involving dice and rain drops.
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As for the project management aspect, sorry can't really agree. Yes it would be good project management to move a difficult task off the critical path if it is possible to complete it at a later date. ...
I can understand that BT have a finite amount of resource and a finite amount of capital but it seems their prioritisation of work is based on a system involving dice and rain drops.
I reckon that the over-riding goal, for both the commercial rollout and the BDUK one, was to stay in control of the budget. The first and foremost requirement on their planning is probably to keep every team working, and not have them sitting around.
They probably have a rule-of-thumb about how many sites get problems, so any plan of work will assume that it needs to be over-dimensioned by that factor: that means teams can be rapidly re-deployed from a problem site to a viable site. I reckon this means that they send too many jobs to councils (and to roadworks.org), as it gives them a safety factor; they don't get penalised for not turning up to do roadworks, so there is almost no cost to requesting more jobs than you can hope to work on. Cabinets that don't get worked on will then either because they encountered a problem, or because other locations didn't encounter enough problems.
A second requirement will probably be to not get penalised with roadworks. If a job encounters problems, it is far better for a team to fill in the hole with the work unfinished than it is to try to finish the work, but incur a penalty for being late finishing. Of course, this means that the site has to go back in the queue, and will then have to wait a period for roadworks notifications to happen again ... and re-run the risk of being in the over-dimensioned group that don't get worked on.
When looked at from the perspective of the one site, things look terrible. But that is because no-one is giving any priority to the one site. When looked at in terms of the whole project, they're still deploying 200 cabinets per week within BDUK, and more within the commercial rollout (the current amount is unknown; last October was probably an extra 100 cabinets per week).
I do think you're right that, if there is any kind of prioritisation going on, it is now towards the BDUK cabinets, as they are the ones with a deadline and penalty terms involved.
This is bad & lazy project management: replan and move that task eight times over three years, each time you fail to complete it moving it along another 3 to 6 months.
I reckon this is down to a poor way of passing on timescales to the public.
I doubt if the plan for the cabinet has been fundamentally re-planned 8 times, and moved 8 times. I reckon the plan, internally, follows along its own timescale, with individual jobs being planned, completed or postponed as necessary. Meanwhile, the dates presented to the public fall into the "it'll be done this quarter" class. Every cabinet in that class, that remains incomplete, naturally gets moved into the next quarter about a week before the end of the quarter.
BT think they're safe hiding behind statements that plans change; that this covers everything. I don't think they entirely realise the emotions that get involved by having a cab sitting there unused.
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...and the cab serves around 180 to 200 houses.
Why you ask?
Most probably because the cab geographical service area is very large so only a relatively small number of residents would get a true superfast service. So not until the next gen stuff like FTTdp or FTTRN arrives will I get SF from BT.
(Oh yes, and I'm 100 yards from the said cab!)
Ironically, even if most of the cabinet's coverage area requires FTTRN or FTTdp to benefit from SF speeds, you'll probably still be served by whatever they put in the original cabinet's site ... and whatever solution happens, that site will still get something.
How many of the 180-200 are within 1km? We've definitely seen cabs with fewer than 100 properties get included.
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As for the project management aspect, sorry can't really agree. Yes it would be good project management to move a difficult task off the critical path if it is possible to complete it at a later date. ...
I can understand that BT have a finite amount of resource and a finite amount of capital but it seems their prioritisation of work is based on a system involving dice and rain drops.
I reckon that the over-riding goal, for both the commercial rollout and the BDUK one, was to stay in control of the budget. The first and foremost requirement on their planning is probably to keep every team working, and not have them sitting around.
They probably have a rule-of-thumb about how many sites get problems, so any plan of work will assume that it needs to be over-dimensioned by that factor: that means teams can be rapidly re-deployed from a problem site to a viable site. I reckon this means that they send too many jobs to councils (and to roadworks.org), as it gives them a safety factor; they don't get penalised for not turning up to do roadworks, so there is almost no cost to requesting more jobs than you can hope to work on. Cabinets that don't get worked on will then either because they encountered a problem, or because other locations didn't encounter enough problems.
A second requirement will probably be to not get penalised with roadworks. If a job encounters problems, it is far better for a team to fill in the hole with the work unfinished than it is to try to finish the work, but incur a penalty for being late finishing. Of course, this means that the site has to go back in the queue, and will then have to wait a period for roadworks notifications to happen again ... and re-run the risk of being in the over-dimensioned group that don't get worked on.
When looked at from the perspective of the one site, things look terrible. But that is because no-one is giving any priority to the one site. When looked at in terms of the whole project, they're still deploying 200 cabinets per week within BDUK, and more within the commercial rollout (the current amount is unknown; last October was probably an extra 100 cabinets per week).
I do think you're right that, if there is any kind of prioritisation going on, it is now towards the BDUK cabinets, as they are the ones with a deadline and penalty terms involved.
This is bad & lazy project management: replan and move that task eight times over three years, each time you fail to complete it moving it along another 3 to 6 months.
I reckon this is down to a poor way of passing on timescales to the public.
I doubt if the plan for the cabinet has been fundamentally re-planned 8 times, and moved 8 times. I reckon the plan, internally, follows along its own timescale, with individual jobs being planned, completed or postponed as necessary. Meanwhile, the dates presented to the public fall into the "it'll be done this quarter" class. Every cabinet in that class, that remains incomplete, naturally gets moved into the next quarter about a week before the end of the quarter.
BT think they're safe hiding behind statements that plans change; that this covers everything. I don't think they entirely realise the emotions that get involved by having a cab sitting there unused.
Totally agree, from the perspective of an individual cabinet it can either look awful or amazing depending on the original plan date.
In this case it appears to be less about planning issues and more about the fear of what they would unearth once they started the work. I also agree that it's unlikely that the real date moved that many times. In some kind of passive attempt to placate customers they now just move the date to the next quarter end. Originally they did have very specific dates (like 17th of November) but that stopped when they 'improved' the public reporting of their estimates.
It also probably doesn't help that other broadband providers can easily piggy back on the work they do. BT invest the capital which will take years to payback and then other providers use those services thus extending that payback period. I am sure that a payback calculation is a key driver in the decision making process when it comes to prioritising cabinets.
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Well guess what?
Despite work being carried out in the last few months my cabinet is still not live. The date estimate automatically rolled over today and is now 30th September 2015, a full three years after the original estimate. The date has changed for the tenth time.
I cannot believe that they are allowed to get away with this.
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You'd be better moving to VM. :)
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You'd be better moving to VM. :)
Unfortunately not an option, which is probably why BT haven't bothered to finish off the fibre coverage here.
No competition has meant that they can take their sweet time over it.
Exchange has been fibre enabled for roughly four years.
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But out of the two …… albeit a tale of woe ….. BTOR are eventually going to provide service. You owe them a pint, mate. ;) ;D
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Eventually seems to be their motto. ;D
Will happily buy the OR engineer that switches my cabinet on a pint or two.
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Ha ha …… make sure you've filled out an 'Expression of interest' form …… I'd hate for it to go 'Live' and find all the ports have been pre-ordered !! :)
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Have been filling in the expression of interest details for quite a few years. Lost track of exactly how many times I've done it.
If all the ports are allocated it's more likely that they'll all be allocated to my number, I've filled in the form that many times. ;D
I can't imagine the demand is that high as you would have thought that it would have been prioritised a little higher than it has been.
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Apparently the copper still needs to be rearranged, anybody got an idea what that actually means?
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It can only be alluding to the copper tie-pairs between the old Cab, and the new DSLAM Cab ?? All other aspects of copper cabling is in-situ (Legacy).
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It can only be alluding to the copper tie-pairs between the old Cab, and the new DSLAM Cab ?? All other aspects of copper cabling is in-situ (Legacy).
Would that require the old cabinet to be replaced?
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Highly unlikely. They may 'Re-shell' it …… but there's no reason to move the existing Cab unless other local issues are afoot ?? I've never, ever witnessed that happen.
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They've not mentioned moving it, just needing a new cabinet.
The original cabinet does look very old.
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Apparently the copper still needs to be rearranged, anybody got an idea what that actually means?
How did you find out a "reason"?
Its over 2 years since our FTTC twin was installed in our village, and its still not ready, but we have been told nothing as to why :(
A friendly engineer offered to have a look on his way out of the village after seeing me about an ADSL issue, and he rang back after 5 minutes to say it all looked ready to him, it had power, copper ties and even the fibre.
Even that was 6+ months ago, so completely at a loss as to why its still not ready. And its the lack of information that drains.
Thanks
Ant
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Information came from local Broadband liason group who met with OR this week.
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How do I check the progress on a cab with no 'live' sticker on it?
Cab is in Tycroes. Nearest exchange, I believe, is Ammanford (https://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/SWADW). I'm pretty sure Tycroes school could benefit :)
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How do I check the progress on a cab with no 'live' sticker on it?
Cab is in Tycroes. Nearest exchange, I believe, is Ammanford (https://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/SWADW). I'm pretty sure Tycroes school could benefit :)
Try contacting Superfast Wales using info@superfast-cymru.com
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BTW as far as I can see the Ammanford exchange is not fibre enabled.
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BTW as far as I can see the Ammanford exchange is not fibre enabled.
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Yeh, kinda worrying :P
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I live in Tenbury Wells a town in both Worcestershire and Shropshire - I think the main exchange is actually in Shropshire and and I am connected to cabinet 1 which is Worcestershire. I am quite geeky and am actually rather excited about getting faster broadband, hehe, I have seen the Openreach vans driving around doing things ..... hooray.
The two counties both have their own FTTC roll-out website which tend to report inconsistent information, I read on superfast worcestershire that cabinet one would be enabled between June and September this year (http://www.superfastworcestershire.com/cabinet-status).
Is there any way to verify the timing and make sure I get on FTTC as soon as it is available?
Cheers big ears
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Hi Chunks
The only dates you'll get out of anyone are the BT Openreach estimates, which sadly are nothing more than a guess. Estimates very often roll over from quarter to quarter (mine have done so over ten times). If you contact your local better Broadband group, they have regular meetings with BTOR and therefore should be able to get you a little more insight into progress being made.
You can also try and cross reference work needed to upgrade your cabinet with planned works on roadworks.org.
If you want to ensure you are at the front of the queue the best option is to register your interest on the BT site. BT should email you several weeks before the cabinet is due to go live.
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Hi Chunks
The only dates you'll get out of anyone are the BT Openreach estimates, which sadly are nothing more than a guess. Estimates very often roll over from quarter to quarter (mine have done so over ten times). If you contact your local better Broadband group, they have regular meetings with BTOR and therefore should be able to get you a little more insight into progress being made.
You can also try and cross reference work needed to upgrade your cabinet with planned works on roadworks.org.
If you want to ensure you are at the front of the queue the best option is to register your interest on the BT site. BT should email you several weeks before the cabinet is due to go live.
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Cool, thanks, I didn't even know we HAD a Better Broadband group - great advice.
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Highly unlikely. They may 'Re-shell' it …… but there's no reason to move the existing Cab unless other local issues are afoot ?? I've never, ever witnessed that happen.
The cabinet was indeed moved, the engineer I spoke said that the existing cabinet was lacking further capacity, was highly disorganised and the wiring was causing reliability issues.
So next to the new fibre cabinet another green cabinet appeared and it seems that over the last three or four weeks the copper rearrangement has taken place.
Fingers crossed they can now finally enabled the fibre service so that it can go live and I can place an order.
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@Anythingother - you're talking about FTTC, correct? This is not a 'fibre' service, it's delivered to your house over copper, but then you probably knew that I'm sure. :-)
Best of luck! :)
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@Anythingother - you're talking about FTTC, correct? This is not a 'fibre' service, it's delivered to your house over copper, but then you probably knew that I'm sure. :-)
Best of luck! :)
Yeah, sorry I do know that, was just being lazy and using the term fibre as shorthand.
Found out yesterday that another local area (rural) which didn't ever have an estimate for fibre (fttc) go live published has magically gone live.
So now that completes the set, just about everybody that I know that lives in a remote or rural area has got fibre (fttc) enabled. Whereas I living in the middle of a well connected town, with an exchange that was fibre (fttc) enabled nearly four years ago continue to wait.
Recently have seen a number of stories in the media about this issue. One mentioned a business in the middle of Bath that was suffering badly (architects) for the same reasons. Despite being close to a fibre enabled exchange BT were continually bouncing the go live date for their cabinet and had been for years.
It defence of BT in my case there has been a lot of work needed, but the dead time between each stage has meant that a task which has effectively taken 4 or 5 weeks has stretched out to a year. What I can't defend is the three years prior to that that they continually bounced and replanned the work. The original go live date for this cabinet was in 2012. It's not like they can argue that the cabinet is not financially viable, uptake is likely to be very high.
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'Low hanging fruit' is the work that will get done first.
BT will get round to the problem areas eventually but easier & quicker work will take priority ..... profits\targets rule.
Maximise what you can get your engineers to do, hence the pressure they are under to do everything as quickly as possible.
The main pain as a ultimate customer is the lack of visibility of the reason for the delay.
It may be 100% valid to do other things but you don't know why and I understand the frustration completely.
It is the way BT works and will not change unless there is an incentive to do so.
You cannot force a private company to do anything it does not want to do unless it is breaking some law. (And then you need to be 'persistent' :D )
:( :(
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'Low hanging fruit' is the work that will get done first.
BT will get round to the problem areas eventually but easier & quicker work will take priority ..... profits\targets rule.
Maximise what you can get your engineers to do, hence the pressure they are under to do everything as quickly as possible.
The main pain as a ultimate customer is the lack of visibility of the reason for the delay.
It may be 100% valid to do other things but you don't know why and I understand the frustration completely.
It is the way BT works and will not change unless there is an incentive to do so.
You cannot force a private company to do anything it does not want to do unless it is breaking some law. (And then you need to be 'persistent' :D )
:( :(
That ...... right there ..... is what should be at the head of any new topic raised. It's admirable folk want to take an interest in FTTC roll-out, DLM, Rambo and so on ...... but to insist or expect a private company to make available their business-doings to all and sundry is simply ridiculous.
This isn't aimed at this thread btw, just a generalisation. :)
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'Low hanging fruit' is the work that will get done first.
BT will get round to the problem areas eventually but easier & quicker work will take priority ..... profits\targets rule.
Maximise what you can get your engineers to do, hence the pressure they are under to do everything as quickly as possible.
The main pain as a ultimate customer is the lack of visibility of the reason for the delay.
It may be 100% valid to do other things but you don't know why and I understand the frustration completely.
It is the way BT works and will not change unless there is an incentive to do so.
You cannot force a private company to do anything it does not want to do unless it is breaking some law. (And then you need to be 'persistent' :D )
:( :(
That ...... right there ..... is what should be at the head of any new topic raised. It's admirable folk want to take an interest in FTTC roll-out, DLM, Rambo and so on ...... but to insist or expect a private company to make available their business-doings to all and sundry is simply ridiculous.
This isn't aimed at this thread btw, just a generalisation. :)
Still bloody frustrating though eh!
The false hope has been the hardest part to swallow.
If the original date had been 30th September 2015 then it might have been easier to accept.
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Don't get me wrong, I do sympathise with some of the things we get wrong, or seem lethargic about. :)
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'Low hanging fruit' is the work that will get done first.
BT will get round to the problem areas eventually but easier & quicker work will take priority ..... profits\targets rule.
Maximise what you can get your engineers to do, hence the pressure they are under to do everything as quickly as possible.
The main pain as a ultimate customer is the lack of visibility of the reason for the delay.
It may be 100% valid to do other things but you don't know why and I understand the frustration completely.
It is the way BT works and will not change unless there is an incentive to do so.
You cannot force a private company to do anything it does not want to do unless it is breaking some law. (And then you need to be 'persistent' :D )
:( :(
That ...... right there ..... is what should be at the head of any new topic raised. It's admirable folk want to take an interest in FTTC roll-out, DLM, Rambo and so on ...... but to insist or expect a private company to make available their business-doings to all and sundry is simply ridiculous.
This isn't aimed at this thread btw, just a generalisation. :)
@Black Sheep
Thanks for the support.
I appreciate your frustration on the other side of the fence as well.
I thought it needed to be said as frustrated as we are as customers the fact BT is private changes all expectations.
(These expectations are caused by the fact that a vital service is provide by what is now a private company but old attitudes still prevail from 'public ownership' days ;D :D )
We will soon be going through the same pain as the 'private Post Office' changes in ways we do not approve of. :(
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Not sure I've picked the right thread, but I just decided to check my FTTC availability, which was showing as 31st Dec 2014 last week.
Given we have some live cabinets on my exchange I was hoping for a more accurate estimate.
31st December 2015. >:D
And it stayed that way for a whole year, right until yesterday.
Now showing 30-Jun-16. >:D
This is the ONLY cabinet on our exchange not FTTC enabled. :'(
Is there any way I can find out what on earth is going on, everyone else has had FTTC available for one or two years now?
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> but old attitudes still prevail from 'public ownership' days
Indeed so. This is what is wrong with me! ???
See my Stalinist Rant, along the lines of 'if I ruled the world'
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Not sure I've picked the right thread, but I just decided to check my FTTC availability, which was showing as 31st Dec 2014 last week.
Given we have some live cabinets on my exchange I was hoping for a more accurate estimate.
31st December 2015. >:D
And it stayed that way for a whole year, right until yesterday.
Now showing 30-Jun-16. >:D
This is the ONLY cabinet on our exchange not FTTC enabled. :'(
Is there any way I can find out what on earth is going on, everyone else has had FTTC available for one or two years now?
Perhaps it might help if you mentioned which exchange and cabinet?
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No need, as mentioned in another thread (where I think I commented) here's a new/better tool. http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when/
This says that We're connecting power to the new fibre cabinet and joining the new fibre lines to the existing copper network. You can't order a fibre service today but typically it'll be available to your premises within the next four months.
I've tried asking BTOR directly why it keeps getting delayed but they just waffle. :'(
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typically it'll be available to your premises within the next four months
Well the BT web site is still saying that, 3 months later.
But today I saw two BTOR vans (big ones!) parked near my new FTTC cabinet and the front was open with someone working inside.
It's on a main road and I was driving so I couldn't stop and see what kit was inside but there was definitely a fair bit visible. Fingers crossed for progress soon.
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It's on a main road and I was driving so I couldn't stop
I think, given the delays, that an emergency "ran out of fuel" would have been appropriate!