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Author Topic: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade  (Read 4653 times)

Tuliptownman

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Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« on: February 22, 2011, 11:33:13 PM »

My line attenuation is 18dB, IP profile 13000 and connection rate 15348. I should therefore be getting some really high speeds. However I have been experiencing speeds lower than I did when under the 8 meg service.

I will start off by saying that BT have been very supportive so far in helping me through this experience. I upgraded to the ADSL2+ service at the end of last year and after the training period which included moving my modem to the Master Socket and having to run wirelessly it became apparent that BT Speedtests were constantly being returned at around 3 meg when done on a wireless connection and my downstream noise margin was hovering between 8dB & 9dB. After a long period of monitoring it was agreed that the line was unstable and dropping on occassion.

BT therefore sent out an Openworld engineer on Saturday who replaced the master socket, and carried out various tests and confirmed that the line should be capable of very good speeds. He went away to check the cabinet and I noticed my connection lights on my modem go out - they came back on about 45 minutes later and the phone rang. It was the engineer - he had seen the line drop twice whilst at the cabinet, so went back to the exchange and established that the circuit my line had an intermittent fault. He had therefore put me onto another circuit. Brilliant I thought - bouquet for the engineer all I need to do is wait for the noise to start dropping.

How wrong I have been so far. Downstream noise has been between 9 and 10dB which is actually higher than before!

However the line has not dropped but there are considerably higher errors than noticed during my initial training period. Indeed over the last week the exchange has automatically put me on interleave. I am therefore at a point where I am stuck. I am still in contact with BT as I have pointed out that my actual speeds returned by Speedtester have been been no more than 7meg when run with wired connection which is what I was getting under basic ADSL2, and that wireless speedtests are consistantly around 3.5meg.

BT have asked me to run a test during the day which I have done with my laptop connected to my modem by cable and this returned slightly below 7meg. It seems therefore that whatever the IP profile and connection rate is I am incapable of getting more than 7 meg. I therefore am at the point when I have to consider whether a modem change will help things.  I currently have a Zyxel P660HW T1 V2 which is a G standard. the wireless tests have been run either with my laptop no more than 6 feet away from the modem , or from my PC about 25 feet and two rooms away. Most of the time my PC and laptop both report good to excellent strength connections at 54.00Mbps,so I am struggling to see why I am getting such a difference. Unfortunately the one hour limit on test intervals imposed by BT Speedtester means that I cannot do consecutive tests in similar internet traffic conditions to see if my modem is causing issues when running a speedtest wirelessly.

I am wandering whether replacing my modem might give things a boost. I am thinking of either a Billion Bipac 7300N or a Linksys WAG320N. However if there are still issues with the line or indeed the exchange capacity is becoming limited, would either of these make a difference? Are there any other modems that might help resolve the issue? I am also wandering whether the increase in errors is an indication that my modem realises its days are numbered and is slowly dying.

Is the highish downstream noise causing my actual speed to be lower?

Thoughts or suggestions please.
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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2011, 09:48:46 AM »

There seems to be more than one problem here, and you're mixing them up a bit.

First, if your IP profile is 13000 kbps and you're only getting download speeds of 7 Mbps (wired) and 3.5 Mbps (wireless) this is nothing to do with your ADSL connection, and changing to a different modem/router won't make any difference. Your ISP may be throttling your speed to ADSL1 levels, or the exchange may be congested, but in addition your wireless connection isn't performing well for some reason. I'm afraid I'm no expert on wireless, so hopefully someone else can help you get this resolved.

Secondly, your ADSL connection is underperforming. It seems to be the case that the instability you've experienced has resulted in your target noise margin being raised, and this is reducing your connection speed somewhat. If your connection is now stable, this may correct itself over time, but your high error rate suggests that there is still a noise problem. I think your best option here is to install Routerstats or Routerstats-Lite to monitor the noise margin over time. This should give a good indication of what's happening to the noise on your line.
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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2011, 06:27:29 PM »

first thing to check for is wifi congestion. Download and run inssider

http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider/

this will show you what wifi channels are in use in your vicinity, and you may well need to change the channel your router to be away from the others. If your channel is the same/close to another, it will affect your speeds.
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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2011, 06:54:37 PM »

3 things ....

1) A list of your router stats would be great.
2) Interleaving ..... have they applied this to both Upstream and Downstream ? I generally find that the SP's only switch the mode on the Downstream, and because the error count is still high on the Upstream, the problem is still there.
3) The 54Mbps 'connection' you can see is only the connection capability between your equipment and the wireless router. The actual connection rate is your Throughput Speed (Surfing Speed), which I think you said is averaging 3.5Meg ?
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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2011, 07:23:54 PM »

3 things ....

1) A list of your router stats would be great.
2) Interleaving ..... have they applied this to both Upstream and Downstream ? I generally find that the SP's only switch the mode on the Downstream, and because the error count is still high on the Upstream, the problem is still there.
3) The 54Mbps 'connection' you can see is only the connection capability between your equipment and the wireless router. The actual connection rate is your Throughput Speed (Surfing Speed), which I think you said is averaging 3.5Meg ?

1. deffo ;)

2. yes, concur with this, my line is interleaved ds, but fastpath us. My router has a reporting error on ADSL2+ upstream, which makes it look like there are millions of errors, but it's not a true count - maybe there is something of this on the OP's setup ??

3. I don't agree with this - the wifi connection from router to pc will fluctuate, anywhere from 11mb/s to 54 mb/s dependant on local atmospheric conditions, but this is independant from your throughput between the router and the dslam/msan
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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2011, 08:14:44 PM »

3. "I don't agree with this - the wifi connection from router to pc will fluctuate, anywhere from 11mb/s to 54 mb/s dependant on local atmospheric conditions, but this is independant from your throughput between the router and the dslam/msan".

Hi Mr Jack

You say you dont agree, but your wording comes across that you do agree ? I have put down that the 54Mbps the OP can see is the connection capability from their equipment to router, but that the actual speed is down to their Throughput speed. This appears to be exactly what you too are saying but with different wording ?!
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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2011, 08:36:26 PM »

Oops !!!   soz mr pag..... just re-read your point 3, and yes, I concur....I read it the wrong way round first time  :-[

your 'actual' speed is the actual internet speed, I read it as the actual wifi speed...been a long day..
« Last Edit: February 23, 2011, 08:40:12 PM by GunJack »
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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2011, 08:38:43 PM »

Liking the Mr Pag !!!  ;D
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Tuliptownman

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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2011, 10:21:15 PM »

Line Stats below

noise margin downstream: 9 db
output power upstream: 11 db
attenuation downstream: 18 db
tone   0- 31: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone  32- 63: 00 03 45 78 88 99 aa ab bb cd cc dd de ed ed de
tone  64- 95: dd dd dd d0 dd cd dd dc cd cc dd cc cd cc dd dd
tone  96-127: dc cd dd cc cd dd cc cc cc cc cb cc cc cc cc bc
tone 128-159: cb bb bb bb bb cb bb bc bc bb cc cb bb cc bb cb
tone 160-191: bb bb bb bb bb cc bb cb bb bb bc bb bb bb cb bb
tone 192-223: bb bb bb bb ab ab ab bb ab aa bb aa aa aa ba ba
tone 224-255: ba aa aa ab ba ba ab aa bb ba ab ba ab ab ba aa
tone 256-287: a9 aa aa b9 aa ab aa aa 9a aa aa aa aa aa aa 9a
tone 288-319: 69 9a a9 8a 9a a9 9a a9 aa 99 99 99 aa 9a 99 aa
tone 320-351: 99 a9 9a 99 9a a9 a9 89 68 9a 99 99 99 88 89 99
tone 352-383: 98 98 88 99 87 99 88 89 88 77 77 87 77 77 87 78
tone 384-415: 78 87 87 87 78 78 77 77 78 88 88 78 78 78 77 77
tone 416-447: 77 77 77 77 77 67 76 77 76 76 76 67 67 66 66 66
tone 448-479: 66 65 66 55 66 65 55 65 55 55 54 44 54 54 45 44
tone 480-511: 44 44 33 43 43 44 34 33 33 33 33 32 23 02 32 30

P-660HW-T
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DSL standard: ADSL2 DELT
near-end interleaved channel bit rate: 15349 kbps
near-end fast channel bit rate: 0 kbps
far-end interleaved channel bit rate: 1022 kbps
far-end fast channel bit rate: 0 kbps
P-660HW-T
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noise margin upstream: 4 db
output power downstream: 19 db
attenuation upstream: 12 db
tone   0- 31: 00 00 00 06 89 bb cd dd dd ed dd dd dd bb 98 70
tone  32- 63: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone  64- 95: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone  96-127: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 128-159: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 160-191: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 192-223: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 224-255: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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tone 288-319: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 320-351: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 352-383: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 384-415: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 416-447: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 448-479: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
tone 480-511: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

BT tell me that the noise margin is set at 6dB. When interleaving appeared I was already in communication with BT and they advised me that it was not done manually. The exchange is set to auto and although they have offered to set it to fast I have asked them to leave it on auto for the moment to avoid any further stability issues.

Errors

near-end FEC error fast: 0
near-end FEC error interleaved: 29594
near-end CRC error fast: 0
near-end CRC error interleaved: 2929
near-end HEC error fast: 0
near-end HEC error interleaved: 11255
far-end FEC error fast: 0
far-end FEC error interleaved: 13887
far-end CRC error fast: 0
far-end CRC error interleaved: 3532
far-end HEC error fast: 0
far-end HEC error interleaved: 0
ADSL uptime    54:56:56

This compares with an error count on 7 January 2011, when the line was set to fast (bear in mind the exchange at the circuit was showing signs of faults with line drops that continued until the Openworld Engineer experienced them on his home visit)


near-end FEC error fast: 263
near-end FEC error interleaved: 0
near-end CRC error fast: 169
near-end CRC error interleaved: 0
near-end HEC error fast: 857
near-end HEC error interleaved: 0
far-end FEC error fast: 0
far-end FEC error interleaved: 0
far-end CRC error fast: 1701
far-end CRC error interleaved: 0
far-end HEC error fast: 0
far-end HEC error interleaved: 0
ADSL uptime    18:18:56
P-660HW-T>

There is a DACS unit on the pole which I am obviously not hooked up to, but it has been there for years. Could this be emitting noise?

On the question of the wifi connection, it has been known to drop to 24mbps if the signal becomes poor and when this happens it tends to become unstable requiring a reset of the connection. Not very often (less than weekly - but it happens).

Another thought is whether the line drops and a power cut could have upset my modem to the extent that the errors are an indication that it has an internal fault?

Inssider already installed and I think I have correctly moved my channel from the rest of the bunch. See attached graphs for Inssider and Routerstats lite. The latter is far more stable than what it was on the faulty exchange circuit



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Tuliptownman

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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2011, 09:18:51 PM »

So any thoughts welcome or am I  :wall:
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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2011, 10:40:18 PM »

Have you access to a spare router, or maybe borrow one to trial ?? beginning to look like it's at least part of the problem....
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Re: Ongoing issues with ADSL2+ upgrade
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2011, 02:50:53 PM »

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