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Author Topic: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT  (Read 8917 times)

Robbie

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New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« on: January 16, 2023, 06:01:24 PM »

Finally got my FTTP fully installed... took a while but the last OR guy was outstanding.  In a quick hour he played with my dog to the point of mutual adoption, listened to my preferred routing, completed the 'missing' bit of the external fibre run and installed the ONT with a good amount of fibre slack coiled inside the outside plate (not really its purpose but works well) and got it all going.  He can come again!

Anyway, I was slightly surprised to see a 2.5GbE ONT fitted as I thought that was just for the trial areas?

The new Openreach box is an Adtran SDX 611Q 2.5GbE and is otherwise identical to the latest Adtran 1GbE units save for the fibre port being coloured green.  Clearly the new colour must help with the speed...

My unit, clipped on the wall:



A welcome bit of future-proofing no doubt but I'd rather have extra upload bandwidth.
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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2023, 07:00:45 PM »

Congratulations.  :)

Just for the record (and because all cats are curious), what are the physical dimensions of that Openreach branded Adtran ONT unit?
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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2023, 07:37:35 PM »

h90 x w80 x d35mm.

I think it is a little deeper than the Adtran 1GbE units (well, it seems to sit a little further out from the wall) but I don't have a 1GbE version to hand.  I thought the originals were square but that could be my imagination as it is still pretty small.

For anyone powering via a battery UPS (I use an Eaton 3S mini) the barrel is 2.1 x 5.5 x 9.5mm; 12Vdc, pulling a little under 3W.

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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2023, 07:41:48 PM »

For depth (sorry about the poor winter lighting... grim up north):

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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2023, 10:17:56 PM »

Thank you for the update. That covers everything, I do believe.  :)
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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2023, 12:17:31 AM »

They install with what they have. The 2.5G ONTs are I believe part of the standard issue now.

Which also tells a story about how Openreach trials of higher download speeds are going.

I had 2.5 Gb/s from Openreach: basically the entire fibre network to my group of properties and sharing with 31 other homes nearly always tested at 2.1+ Gb/s, no lower than 1.9 Gb/s at peak times.

Good to see these 2.5 GbE ONTs flowing.

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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2023, 09:13:01 AM »

What do you need that speed for?
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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2023, 11:22:52 AM »

What do you need that speed for?

Was that question addressed to me?  :)

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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2023, 01:50:16 PM »

They install with what they have. The 2.5G ONTs are I believe part of the standard issue now.

Which also tells a story about how Openreach trials of higher download speeds are going.

I had 2.5 Gb/s from Openreach: basically the entire fibre network to my group of properties and sharing with 31 other homes nearly always tested at 2.1+ Gb/s, no lower than 1.9 Gb/s at peak times.

Good to see these 2.5 GbE ONTs flowing.

Is there a suggestion here that OR are providing more than 1 GbE to these ONTs rather than capping them to the package limit, as I thought that was just for the trial area?

Just 8 houses on our PON with 2 actually connected.
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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2023, 02:20:13 PM »

Is there a suggestion here that OR are providing more than 1 GbE to these ONTs rather than capping them to the package limit, as I thought that was just for the trial area?

Just 8 houses on our PON with 2 actually connected.

They will probably become the standard ONT going forward, so they are probably rolling these out to new customers in preparation. Even if they cannot offer 2.5Gbps everywhere yet, it is easier to roll these out now - future proofing :)
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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2023, 02:49:00 PM »

@Robbie  All Openreach FTTP ONTs receive 2.5Gb per second downstream, the earlier models were limited to a 1Gb ethernet output as there was no need for a higher speed interface. The actual usable data throughput rate is controlled at the OLT in the exchange.
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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2023, 03:34:55 PM »

@Robbie  All Openreach FTTP ONTs receive 2.5Gb per second downstream, the earlier models were limited to a 1Gb ethernet output as there was no need for a higher speed interface. The actual usable data throughput rate is controlled at the OLT in the exchange.

Really, as I thought the PON itself was limited to 2.4/1.2Gbps and all connected ONTs contend for an optical slice of that?

The trial was looking at both 1.8 and 1.2Gbps download speeds that rely on low neighbourhood contention to achieve it, but the downstream prioritised rate remains unchanged at just 110Mbps.  I don't think the trial included any addition bandwidth to the local PON.
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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2023, 03:47:58 PM »

Really, as I thought the PON itself was limited to 2.4/1.2Gbps and all connected ONTs contend for an optical slice of that?

Yes, correct, that is the maximum rate of GPON.
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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2023, 04:31:53 PM »

2.488 so can probably reasonably round up  :)

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Re: New FTTP with 2.5GbE ONT
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2023, 04:37:50 PM »

Really, as I thought the PON itself was limited to 2.4/1.2Gbps and all connected ONTs contend for an optical slice of that?

The trial was looking at both 1.8 and 1.2Gbps download speeds that rely on low neighbourhood contention to achieve it, but the downstream prioritised rate remains unchanged at just 110Mbps.  I don't think the trial included any addition bandwidth to the local PON.

Most folks don't actually consume that much, Robbie. You're talking perhaps sustained rate of 5-6 Mbps at peak time.

A very elementary capacity planning rule is that you cater for the sustained peak time load, add the top burst speed that you're selling and maybe a bit of overhead.

32 x 6 = 192 Mbit/s. Add a 1.8 Gbit/s service you're at basically 2 Gbit/s. There's a bit of overhead. Will a 1.8 Gbit/s customer see the odd time when they can't hit maximum speed: sure. The overwhelming majority of the time they'll be fine.

Google Fibre are selling 2 Gbit/s download, 1 Gbit/s upload on GPON and it's mostly fine. Yes, the burst speeds are high but the bursts are usually really brief because folks can get what they want to done much more quickly.

My own experience was that the rest of the PON, 31 connected homes, consumed a couple of hundred Mbit/s. When I tested I hit 2.1 Gbit/s nearly all the time. No reason to think that cohort were abnormal. There are always going to be outliers where it's not an option to sell a gigabit let alone 1.8 but for the most part it'll probably be fine for now. When it isn't they can build an XGSPON overlay.
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