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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #90 on: April 22, 2016, 08:59:47 PM »


ChipSet Vendor Id:      IFTN:0xb204
ChipSet VersionNumber:  0xb204
ChipSet SerialNumber:   70353566

I'm connected to an ECI... What I find interesting about this is, the cab's a AIO unit. I thought these were all Huawei?

This caught my eye.   
I thought they were too.. or rather Ive not heard of an ECI AIO before. 
Didnt even know ECI did them.
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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #91 on: April 22, 2016, 10:18:30 PM »

I think we shall have to ask JoshShep to go and take a picture of the cabinet, square on, directly facing the doors. Also make a note of any markings (if any) that are on the cabinet. Finally confirm via the BT Broadband Availability Checker that his line is connected via that cabinet.

There is a remote possibility that his line is connected via a different pair of cabinets, an ECI equipped and a PCP.
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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #92 on: April 22, 2016, 10:20:18 PM »


ChipSet Vendor Id:      IFTN:0xb204
ChipSet VersionNumber:  0xb204
ChipSet SerialNumber:   70353566

I'm connected to an ECI... What I find interesting about this is, the cab's a AIO unit. I thought these were all Huawei?

This caught my eye.   
I thought they were too.. or rather Ive not heard of an ECI AIO before. 
Didnt even know ECI did them.

I had no idea either, like I said earlier in the thread, I spoke to the Engineer working on cab 9 (my cab) and asked his what type this was because it didn't look like your standard FTTC cab, he said this is a combined unit. PCP being on the left and there was a small side on the right reserved for FTTC. I asked him if this was ECI or Huawei and he had no idea. But confirmed the cab number.

I will get a picture over the weekend if you are interested?

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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #93 on: April 22, 2016, 10:20:52 PM »

Bet me to it haha, I will do that for you all.

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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #94 on: April 22, 2016, 10:29:52 PM »

I think we shall have to ask JoshShep to go and take a picture of the cabinet, square on, directly facing the doors. Also make a note of any markings (if any) that are on the cabinet. Finally confirm via the BT Broadband Availability Checker that his line is connected via that cabinet.

There is a remote possibility that his line is connected via a different pair of cabinets, an ECI equipped and a PCP.

"There is a remote possibility that his line is connected via a different pair of cabinets, an ECI equipped and a PCP."

Sorry to sound daft but what do you mean by this?

I will make a start with this.

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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #95 on: April 22, 2016, 11:14:03 PM »

Sorry to sound daft but what do you mean by this?

Not being able to recall all of the back-story concerning your circuit, I was just musing that perhaps it was not connected via the physical cabinet that you thought it was and, instead, was connected via a separate pair of a PCP & an ECI equipped "fibre cabinet".

However, now that you have refreshed my memory that you had talked to an Openreach technician who was working on the cabinet, I'm happy to accept that is is the one through which your circuit is connected.  :)

An AIO Huawei equipped cabinet has a small door to the left (the DSLAM electronics) and a big door to the right (the PCP cross-connection field).

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. . . he said this is a combined unit. PCP being on the left and there was a small side on the right reserved for FTTC.

That is certainly something we have not yet seen. So please, a good quality photograph, "square on" to the doors so that (after trimming and/or size adjusting, etc) Kitz could use it on the fibre cabinets page.
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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #96 on: April 22, 2016, 11:15:41 PM »

>> PCP being on the left and there was a small side on the right reserved for FTTC.

Hmm  I think I do recall you saying something a few days ago about it being 'back to front', but I dont think it sunk in that it could be the internals too.   This is definitely something new to me.    A photo would be interesting - yes please. :)


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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #97 on: April 22, 2016, 11:41:42 PM »

Very quickly as Im out of here now

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Locality:    Royston,
Exchange Code:    SLRY

Cabinet P9      FTTC Available from 26th October 2011      Phase 07a 2011-2012             512      ECI      S71 4AA 
Exchange 9      FTTC Not Available                               S71 4QS 

Post code is the cab location.
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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #98 on: April 23, 2016, 10:13:44 AM »

I'll have a look around kitz as that's my street post code, the technician could have been wrong?

Also got a fresh set of stats to look at, had some errors last night but don't think they are anything to worry about, are they?

Looking at these though do you think interleaving should be present on the line? And do I need to get an Engineer booked in?

 xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 31711 Kbps, Downstream rate = 93208 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 20000 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79442 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.5             12.8
Attn(dB):        13.4            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        13.8            1.1
                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           14              150
B:              51              236
M:              1               1
T:              64              5
R:              12              16
S:              0.0208          0.3771
L:              24576           5410
D:              1555            1
I:              64              255
N:              64              255
                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            98208367                2288446
OHFErr:         44              12
RS:             3666315904              2797593
RSCorr:         124387          103
RSUnCorr:       849             0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            181             0
OCD:            6               0
LCD:            6               0
Total Cells:    2901201040              0
Data Cells:     1349356113              0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             10              12
SES:            0               0
UAS:            28              28
AS:             131457

                        Bearer 0
INP:            3.00            0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          8               0
PER:            1.33            6.15
OR:             119.53          202.87
AgR:            79561.21        20203.27

Bitswap:        37504/37504             43/44

Total time = 1 days 12 hours 31 min 25 sec
FEC:            124387          103
CRC:            44              12
ES:             10              12
SES:            0               0
UAS:            28              28
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 1 min 25 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            973             1
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 12 hours 31 min 25 sec
FEC:            47496           25
CRC:            34              0
ES:             6               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            76891           78
CRC:            10              12
ES:             4               12
SES:            0               0
UAS:            28              28
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 1 days 12 hours 30 min 57 sec
FEC:            124387          103
CRC:            44              12
ES:             10              12
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0

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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #99 on: April 23, 2016, 10:29:53 AM »

D:              1555            1
INP:            3.00            0.00

These figures indicate you have interleaving and FEC applied.   No sign of G.INP.
You could be tied up in the suspension of retransmission on the ECI cabs.

You do have some Err/secs, but not enough for DLM to be concerned and FEC seems to be keeping them under control.   
FEC overheads will obviously be reducing your attainable sync and why you are unable to get the full 80Mbps.

Need to see how much your SNRm varies really over the course of the day to see if we can spot anything odd in there which may have caused the interleaving to be applied.



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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #100 on: April 23, 2016, 10:46:14 AM »

Re the cab.   I opened google street maps to see if I could place your cabinet.. and I couldnt see one near you.  I may have missed one which is easy to do on street maps say if a parked car is in the way and postcodes can cover a wide area.    But going off some info on magenta, i was trying to roughly place one possible and came up with a PCP outside the Salvation army, but far from definite.
The PCP's should have a number painted on them which I couldn't see on street-view, so may be worth looking next time you are passing that way which should tell you for sure.

One other thought occurred is that on your exchange there is PCP 9 and EO 9.   
For those people on EO (Exchange Only) lines, Openreach are installing AIO cabs...  could it be possible that the AIO unit was for those E9 lines?
The BT checker seems to indicate you are attached to PCP9 and not EO9.

Its all a bit of guess work right now Im afraid,  the photos may give some further clues.
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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #101 on: April 23, 2016, 11:35:14 AM »

D:              1555            1
INP:            3.00            0.00

These figures indicate you have interleaving and FEC applied.   No sign of G.INP.
You could be tied up in the suspension of retransmission on the ECI cabs.
You do have some Err/secs, but not enough for DLM to be concerned and FEC seems to be keeping them under control.   
FEC overheads will obviously be reducing your attainable sync and why you are unable to get the full 80Mbps.

Need to see how much your SNRm varies really over the course of the day to see if we can spot anything odd in there which may have caused the interleaving to be applied.

What is the best way to monitor the connection? Ie the program I should use to monitor the stats? I know there is a few different one around now. As for being tied up in the suspension of retransmission on the ECI cabs. How does one go about getting this sorted? You say the FEC overheads are reducing my attainable sync. If you look to the first few posts on this thread, I'm sure I was syncing full 80/20 as my IP profile for 77.44. I thought your attainable rate reduced when interleaving was applied?

I found all the locations of the cabs and one was showing as being on Park View my street. But I don't think its actually there. The one next to the salvation army is the old style PCP that is what I was told is the AIO unit that's cab number 9. With my attenuation how far would the cab be roughly? I finish work at 8 tonight so I will take a photo today when I'm done of the cab I was told I'm connected to.

Thank you,
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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2016, 11:57:37 AM »

I think I'm getting confused using the website to show the cab locations I think you said the location of the cab was S71 4AA that is my street Park View the one next to the Salvation Army isn't on that postcode. Its different on Midland Road.

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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2016, 12:56:59 PM »

Looking at these though do you think interleaving should be present on the line? And do I need to get an Engineer booked in?

Tread carefully here. I can't see why you wouldn't be charged if you managed to get an engineer sent for this. It's very much calling one out in the hope they find something.
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Re: FTTC Modem Question
« Reply #104 on: April 23, 2016, 02:55:26 PM »

I'm just not very happy to be honest, all I want is for interleaving to be removed, I'd happily sacrifice some sync speed for this also, as in my spare time I like to do some gaming. I'm quite competitive so pings are really important for me. 10ms range would be perfect. I just want to get to the bottom of this and try and solve the problem.
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