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[NewtronStar]

It would seem the 0.5mm cable has only a single pair is that correct ?

[Bald_Eagle1]

Ha ha ...... I haven't got a 'cracked' Hub/Modem, NS. The 'stats' I look at (twice a year), are taken directly from the DLM using our WHOOSH tool.

No point anyway being as you have one of those MAC thingies.

I read somewhere they are nearly as good as a Windows PC, but I'm not 100% convinced about that 

[Black Sheep]

LOL, Paul.

So, as I sit here pondering, drubbing 3 fingers on my chin ............. it appears all my system is missing for total perfection, is the vectoring engine cranking up ??

Remind me again, if you would ......... what's an 'Update' ?? 

[Black Sheep]

It would seem the 0.5mm cable has only a single pair is that correct ?

It depends on what section of cabling you refer to, NS. The big 0.5mm cable from the Exchange to cab (E-side cable), can have as many as 4800prs. The D-side cables are now typically 100pr, 50pr, 20pr, 10pr, 5pr, 2pr and last but not least ..... 1pr. Some of the D-side legacy cables are 5pr, 7pr, 15pr, 25pr, 50pr and 100pr.
There may be others that I'm unaware of, but in nearly 3 decades of working for 'them', these are the ones I've personally seen.

The 1pr is the very latest cable, and for example, will only be used for the last section from the joint-box on the pavement to the BT connection point on the outside of the house. 

[Ronski]

Remind me again, if you would ......... what's an 'Update' ?? 

Mac's are not without their own update problems, and the same goes for Iphones   

[Black Sheep]

Most will know, my involvement with PC's ends at the keyboard.

What I can tell you as a layman and user of both Apple and Microsoft ............... Apple are by far and away the best on many counts, with 'Updates' being the number one reason I switched. I'm lucky if there are 2 a month. Just my opinion, don't wanna totally divert from the subject matter. 

[Chrysalis]

my last 40m ali is a 15pair, no idea on the copper part.

[Roxy]

This thread was awesome, I feel like I know so very little about telecommunications and networking. Thank you everyone for your comments.
Now if only I had this kinda data to show our engineer on his visit!


Good luck to you Chrysalis.

[Chrysalis]

still seems to be regressing.

so first day was around 150 CRC for a day on the DS, then had a weird loss of sync and the crc rate immediatly increased to around 300 a day.
had one dodgy day since then but avg was probably around 400 a day over a 10 day period.
Noticed today crc error count increased a lot and found this in the modem stats.

Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            0               32
CRC:            4205            1
ES:             303             1
SES:            6               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0

The theory on tbb is DLM threshold is 2880 ES a day.  So I think I am ok for DLM but thats a pretty nasty number for last 24 hours on the CRC.

and today isnt particularly good either 1000 after 5 hours.

Latest 1 day time = 5 hours 41 min 1 sec
FEC:            0               12
CRC:            1006            0
ES:             79              0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0

looking at my graphs the good news is all the errors seem to come in spikes so it just affect my line for 2-3 seconds, so if service affecting I would just see a very short blip if using the connection, but iI am seeing increases 3-4 times a day this happens, 6pm seems a culprit time as well as 9am and around 4pm.  snrm doesnt get affected.  I am inclined to think this is some kind of external brief interference.

[Chrysalis]

outside of these brief spikes is more like this.

Latest 15 minutes time = 11 min 1 sec
FEC:            0               1
CRC:            6               0
ES:             2               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0

plusnet evening congestion seems ok again at least on my gw and host pipe.

[NewtronStar]

Most will know, my involvement with PC's ends at the keyboard.

What I can tell you as a layman and user of both Apple and Microsoft ............... Apple are by far and away the best on many counts, with 'Updates' being the number one reason I switched. I'm lucky if there are 2 a month. Just my opinion, don't wanna totally divert from the subject matter. 

Your kind of lucky as the Malware & Virus coders have good knowlege of the MS operating system, that's the reason why MS is more vulnerable and need more updates, it has nothing to do with Apple being a more secure OS it's down to lack of coding skills for that OS 

[Chrysalis]

well they go for the biggest target, and windows is a huge target.

but yeah its also about the code base they have learnt.

[Chrysalis]

Attainable dropped down a mbit, the obvious suggestion of course is crosstalk but this happened during dusk hours O_o.

Maybe someone's line was off and they powered it up that time?

Seems xDSL never gets boring round here, always something going on daily almost. 

[Alex Atkin UK]

I would be concerned if attainable didn't vary to be honest.  Just the changing temperature of the physical line and joints probably causes that kind of fluctuation.

I don't have anything recent as my graphing broke, but you can see one of my historical graphs from when I was on Digital Region.  Attainable fluctuated quite a bit.


Yes I did used to actually sync at 100Mbit down, 32Mbit up. 

[Chrysalis]

not sudden sharp changes tho, it would be gradual what you describing.