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Bald_Eagle1

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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2012, 08:47:05 AM »

A graphical representation of your connection over a period of time would give perhaps an easier to interpret indication of things.

I only had 178 minutes of data from you, but your connection looked pretty "unstable" back in May when it was still a G.DMT connection.

Unless those issues have now been fixed, I would imagine the higher frequencies available via ADSL2+ could make your connection even more sensitive to noise, RFI etc.
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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2012, 02:49:54 PM »

The connection dropped again today and now I am back to 7dB. Neither Zen nor I have done anything. Strange!

Stats:

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/usr/sbin/adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason: 8000
Channel: FAST, Upstream rate = 888 Kbps, Downstream rate = 6650 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode: ADSL2+
Channel: Fast
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 7.1 9.1
Attn(dB): 43.5 23.3
Pwr(dBm): 0.0 13.0
Max(Kbps): 9408 888
Rate (Kbps): 6650 888
G.dmt framing
K: 19(0) 14
R: 4 16
S: 1 8
D: 96 8
ADSL2 framing
MSGc: 95 10
B: 18 13
M: 1 8
T: 7 9
R: 4 16
S: 0.0907 4.0000
L: 2028 256
D: 352 8
Counters
SF: 8005 7075
SFErr(CRCErr): 1 32
RS: 5659694 127355
RSCorr: 936 290
RSUnCorr: 1 0


HEC: 1 11
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 2012876 1013126
Data Cells: 14228 36155
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 431


ES: 43 138
SES: 1 13
UAS: 169 2
AS(Uptime): 129


INP: 2.77 2.00
PER: 16.03 18.00
delay: 7.98 8.00
OR: 50.38 7.11


Bitswap: 5 0
Total uptime: 80844


Total time = 22 hours 31 min 46 sec
SF  = 4975445
CRC = 508
LOS = 1
LOF = 9
ES  = 43
Latest 1 day time = 22 hours 31 min 46 sec
SF  = 4975445
CRC = 508
LOS = 1
LOF = 9
ES  = 43
Latest 15 minutes time = 1 min 46 sec
SF  = 6630
CRC = 1
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 1
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 47222
CRC = 450
LOS = 1
LOF = 9
ES  = 1
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
SF  = 0
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-30 min to -15 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 55486
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-45 min to -30 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 55425
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-60 min to -45 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 55424
CRC = 1
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 1
Showtime Drop Reason: 8000
Last Retrain Reason: 8000


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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2012, 03:02:11 PM »

There's something strange going on here.

ADSL1: 6656Kbps sync at 10.3dB
ADSL2: Haven't tested yet
ADSL2+: 6650Kbps sync at 7dB

Doesn't that look odd?
« Last Edit: August 17, 2012, 05:08:54 PM by arobertson545 »
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Bald_Eagle1

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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2012, 04:13:04 PM »

There's something strange going on here.

ADSL1: 6656Kbps sync at 10.3dB
ADSL2: 6656Kbps sync at 6.3dB
ADSL2+: 6656Kbps sync at 7dB

Doesn't that look odd?

Where has 6656Kbps come from?
I have looked back through this thread & can't see that speed anywhere.

If you are constantly resyncing/rebooting the router, using the 3 different ADSL modes, I wonder if DLM has "capped" your sync speed, regardless of connection mode?

For curiosity, what are the attainable rates for each of the connections you mention above & are you setting SNR via DGTeam firmware or something else?

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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2012, 05:10:41 PM »

Where has 6656Kbps come from?


If you are constantly resyncing/rebooting the router, using the 3 different ADSL modes, I wonder if DLM has "capped" your sync speed, regardless of connection mode?

For curiosity, what are the attainable rates for each of the connections you mention above & are you setting SNR via DGTeam firmware or something else?

Sorry, post changed to match the speeds.

Currently on ADSL1 and the max attainable rate is 8064Kbps (with a sync of 6656Kbps).

I am not tweaking any more.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2012, 05:14:43 PM by arobertson545 »
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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2012, 05:14:05 PM »

Max rate on ADSL2+ is 8944Kbps (with a sync of 6653Kbps).
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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2012, 05:37:15 PM »

Yep, the line is banded at 6656Kbps. Damn.

Shown in this DLM diagram:

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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2012, 10:42:48 AM »

I'm still confused. Why is the margin on ADSL2 and 2+ so much lower than ADSL1 at the same speed. With a margin of 6dB on ADSL2+, my max speed is currently 6656Kbps which is much lower than before. I didn't expect the connection to get slower!
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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #53 on: August 18, 2012, 10:05:36 PM »

There are without doubt some lines that perform better on adsl1 than adsl2+ - usually the longer ones.

adsl2+ opens up another 256 sub-channels available for use (why your atten will often increase), but these additional channels could be subject to noise interference, and if your line is too long to make real use of the sufficient bits loaded in the additional tones, then in a few cases the line is worse off.

adsl2+ does have some benefits though in that 1 bit per sub-channel can be loaded compared to a minimum of 2 on adsl1 - hence why a min 3dB SNRM rather than 6dB of adsl1.
adsl2+ also uses better RS algorithms - which in turn means less overhead and more useful data can be carried.

Generally speaking (very generally and not to be taken as true in all cases), but lines that sync at less than 6Mb may not always fair better on adsl2+.  Anything 6-8Mb is suck it and see, but usually will see a bit of improvement.

ADSL2 though could be beneficial, as adsl2 has the better algorithm and RScode words, but still uses the same amount of sub-channels as ADSL1.  If your line cant sync at more than 10Mb then adsl2 could give you the best of both worlds in that its not opening up the additional channels.
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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2012, 10:35:24 PM »

ADSL2 has the same problem of syncing at 6656Kbps (max speed due to the line being banded) at a margin of 6dB or maybe 7dB.

From what I have seen, the banding on a 21CN line is usually removed after about 2-3 days of solid connection. I am currently at 1 day and 4 hours so not too long to wait now.
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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2012, 10:25:18 AM »

Last 15 hours of graphs attached.
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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2012, 10:26:44 AM »

Current stats data attached.
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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2012, 02:33:21 PM »

It looks like you had another disconnection that will have no doubt messed up your waiting time for DLM to reinstate the speeds etc.

I'm not sure what to make of the graphs other than a little SNRM strangeness between 08:00 & 08:30 this morning & a few gaps in the snapshot bit-loading & SNR graphs & quite a spike in RSCorr errors at around 03:45 this morning.

It may be worth monitoring 24/7 for a few days to see if any patterns of errors/unusual SNR(M) changes etc. are developing.


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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #58 on: August 23, 2012, 11:35:34 AM »

Zen are now going to reset the line to defaults with the router connected to the test socket and only a cordless phone connected. Unbeknownst to me, we actually own a dect phone which can cause problems, so that is now turned off completely and unplugged.

Zen tell me this should take a couple of hours so I will update this thread later on.

Thanks to everybody for your help so far, you know who you are :).
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Re: 21CN Migration!
« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2012, 02:07:40 PM »

I'm still getting somewhat less than 9.5Mb DS. Is there anything I can do?

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« Last Edit: September 09, 2012, 02:09:42 PM by arobertson545 »
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