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[happy37]

It might be worth a try just for comparison purposes. You could always revert to a previous version if required.

I will give this a go and report back in due course.

On a side note, I spoke to PlusNet support earlier. The guy on the phone categorically stated and confirmed that my line has no interleaving applied on it. It is on fastpath.

Is this right?

Just wondered.

What sayeth other learned Kitizens?

Thanks.

happy37

[happy37]

Afternoon all.

Hope everyone is well.

Can someone please confirm which firmware I should download and flash from this page:-

https://mega.co.nz/#F!LdJFDIJL!e_E1twsIg2kTet8mPjrb4w

SP06 or SP08?

The "unlocked" one for either or the one with the "webgui"?

What's the main differences between both of these?

And what is the flashing method?

Exactly the same as asbokid's one that he mentions for the HG612?

Pending your replies, I will hopefully do this later tonight and report back with results.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

happy37

[burakkucat]

On a side note, I spoke to PlusNet support earlier. The guy on the phone categorically stated and confirmed that my line has no interleaving applied on it. It is on fastpath.

Is this right?

Hmm . . . I hope the PlusNet support person did not imply that they have control over whether a line is interleaved or fastpath, for that is absolutely wrong. It is the Openreach DLM which makes that decision and ISP/CP representatives cannot override the setting. I don't know what parameters PlusNet are able to view . . . perhaps they are able to deduce the line's settings.

As to interleaved or fastpath, our Analytical Eagle will be able to pronounce the status by viewing your line's statistics.

[kitz]

The guy on the phone categorically stated and confirmed that my line has no interleaving applied on it. It is on fastpath. Is this right?

Based on your stats here, and here then it would indeed look like interleaving is currently off.

However, heed b*cats warning that the DLM could change this, any time it deems necessary.

It is the Openreach DLM which makes that decision and ISP/CP representatives cannot override the setting

[burakkucat]

Can someone please confirm which firmware I should download and flash from this page:-

https://mega.co.nz/#F!LdJFDIJL!e_E1twsIg2kTet8mPjrb4w

SP06 or SP08?

The "unlocked" one for either or the one with the "webgui"?

What's the main differences between both of these?

And what is the flashing method?

Exactly the same as asbokid's one that he mentions for the HG612?

Yes, that is the correct site. You should really use the latest firmware image, which is . . . B030SP08. In the sub-directory so named, you will find three images:

• Beattie's original (locked).
• The same image as (1), above but unlocked.
• The same image as (2), above but with the GUI restored.

I would recommend that you use the third image . . . B030SP08_webgui.

To flash that new image you should follow the same technique that Asbokid described. Essentially you restart the modem and bring up the Broadcom boot-loader's firmware update page.

[happy37]

I would recommend that you use the third image . . . B030SP08_webgui.

Hi Mr B Cat and kitz,

Cheers for the "purrfect" advice.

Blob/firmware image has now been downloaded and will be flashed very shortly.

To flash that new image you should follow the same technique that Asbokid described. Essentially you restart the modem and bring up the Broadcom boot-loader's firmware update page.

OK - gotcha Mr Cat.

Will post back in the next 10 minutes or so once I'm done with new telnet stats.

How can I tell which firmware version I will be on after the flashing?

Any telnet commands?

Thanks again.

Great advice - much appreciated.

Regards

happy37

[burakkucat]

How can I tell which firmware version I will be on after the flashing?

Any telnet commands?

Yes, there is a CLI command which will "tell all" but I can't remember what it is.    Baldy_Bird or someone else (with a VDSL2 service and a better memory than I) will be able to assist.

If you enter the GUI, the very first screen after logging in will also disclose the current firmware image.

[happy37]

I am now back online and can report success!

Thanks to everyone that helped - BE_1, kitz, Mr B Cat et al.

All flashed successfully with no issues.

Firmware details:-

Product type    EchoLife HG612 
Device ID       10C61F-21530315408K24075586
Hardware version    VER.B
Software version    V100R001C01B030SP08
Firmware version    A2pv6C038m.d24j
Batch number    BC1P6.030.A2pv6C038m.d24j
System up time    0 days 0 hours 0 minutes 38 seconds

xdslcmd info --stats

(Stats below)

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# xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26281 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70556 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70784 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.1             15.1
Attn(dB):        16.4            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        14.0            7.1
                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              26
B:              239             237
M:              1               1
T:              22              42
R:              0               16
S:              0.1079          0.3781
L:              17792           5374
D:              1               1
I:              240             127
N:              240             254
                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            368664          166071
OHFErr:         1               0
RS:             0               2676939
RSCorr:         0               0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            13              0
OCD:            1               0
LCD:            1               0
Total Cells:    89630023                0
Data Cells:     4109117         0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            25              25
AS:             660

                        Bearer 0
INP:            0.00            0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            1.78            3.98
OR:             107.41          64.22
AgR:            70891.08        20063.54

Bitswap:        534/534         9/9

Total time = 11 min 25 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            1               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            25              25
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 11 min 25 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            1               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            25              25
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 11 min 25 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            1               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            25              25
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 10 min 59 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            1               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0




xdslcmd info --pbParams

(Params details below)

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BusyBox v1.9.1 (2014-01-21 16:44:38 CST) built-in shell (ash)
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# xdslcmd info --pbParams
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26249 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70784 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70784 Kbps

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
                  VDSL Port Details               Upstream                Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate:           26249 kbps              70784 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:             7.1 dBm               14.0 dBm
================================================================================

        VDSL Band Status                U0              U1              U2
        U3              U4              D1              D2              D3
Line Attenuation(dB):  4.2     21.7    34.4     N/A     N/A    11.2    27.4
 43.9
Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.2     21.0    33.2     N/A     N/A    13.5    27.2
 43.9
SNR Margin(dB):  15.8    15.1    15.1     N/A     N/A    6.2    6.2    6.2

TX Power(dBm): -2.9    -21.7    6.5      N/A     N/A    11.5    7.9    6.8 

So, any initial thoughts after this exercise, O learned Kitizens?

Thanks for all this tutorial.

Very useful indeed.             

PS - speedtest result now added:-

http://www.speedtest.net/result/3736642691.png

All comments on these stats are welcome.

happy37

[happy37]

The connection has now been up for nearly a day, and here are some new stats.

Any detailed thoughts and observations?

xdslcmd info --stats


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# xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26428 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70556 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70784 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.1             15.2
Attn(dB):        16.4            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        14.0            7.1
                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           18              26
B:              239             237
M:              1               1
T:              22              42
R:              0               16
S:              0.1079          0.3781
L:              17792           5374
D:              1               1
I:              240             127
N:              240             254
                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            47254567                146959
OHFErr:         7966            13
RS:             0               163322
RSCorr:         0               784
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            4311            0
OCD:            114             0
LCD:            114             0
Total Cells:    2902975133              0
Data Cells:     108150348               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             1380            8
SES:            0               0
UAS:            25              25
AS:             84471

                        Bearer 0
INP:            0.00            0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            1.78            3.98
OR:             107.41          64.22
AgR:            70891.08        20063.54

Bitswap:        47368/47369             734/734

Total time = 23 hours 28 min 16 sec
FEC:            0               784
CRC:            7966            13
ES:             1380            8
SES:            0               0
UAS:            25              25
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 13 min 16 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            1               0
ES:             1               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            11              0
ES:             8               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 23 hours 28 min 16 sec
FEC:            0               784
CRC:            7966            13
ES:             1380            8
SES:            0               0
UAS:            25              25
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 23 hours 27 min 49 sec
FEC:            0               784
CRC:            7966            13
ES:             1380            8
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0


xdslcmd info --pbParams

(Params details below)

# xdslcmd info --pbParams

xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26452 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70556 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70784 Kbps

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
                  VDSL Port Details               Upstream                Downst
ream
Attainable Net Data Rate:           26452 kbps              70556 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:             7.1 dBm               14.0 dBm
======================================================================

VDSL Band Status                U0              U1              U2
U3              U4              D1              D2              D3
Line Attenuation(dB):  4.2     21.7    34.4     N/A     N/A    11.2    27.4    43.9
Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.2     20.9    33.0     N/A     N/A    13.5    27.2    43.9
SNR Margin(dB):  15.6    15.3    15.2     N/A     N/A    6.2    6.1    6.2
TX Power(dBm): -2.9    -21.7    6.5      N/A     N/A    11.5    7.9    6.8

Regards,

happy37

[burakkucat]

   Hmm . . . I'm really not the person to comment, for I have no experience of a VDSL2 circuit.

I suspect that the Featherless One has taken Mrs Eagle on holiday, so perhaps Kitz or another kitizen could give an opinion on your circuit's current statistics. 

[Bald_Eagle1]

The connection has now been up for nearly a day, and here are some new stats.

Any detailed thoughts and observations?

Not a lot to comment on really, other than I wish it was my connection 

Code: [Select]

# xdslcmd info --pbParams

xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 26452 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70556 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 70784 Kbps

Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
       VDSL Port Details             Upstream                Downstream
Attainable Net Data Rate:           26452 kbps              70556 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:             7.1 dBm               14.0 dBm
======================================================================

VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 U4 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB):    4.2     21.7    34.4     N/A     N/A    11.2    27.4    43.9
Signal Attenuation(dB):  4.2     20.9    33.0     N/A     N/A    13.5    27.2    43.9
SNR Margin(dB):  15.6    15.3    15.2     N/A     N/A    6.2     6.1     6.2
TX Power(dBm):  -2.9    -21.7    6.5      N/A     N/A    11.5    7.9     6.8



It seems reasonably error-free & still on fastpath.

You do have quite a few Errored Seconds (1380 DS in just less than 1 day), but apparently not quite enough for DLM to decide to apply interleaving (yet).


Your DS Sync spped is probably at its maximum for current line conditions as DS SNRM is around the 6 dB target.

You have quite an amount of spare US SNRM, which is good.



Looking at the Band Plans, your connection seems able to use all the bitloading tones at Medley phase (i.e. after it syncs) that were identified at Discovery Phase (unless you are using an older firmware version that mis-reports Medley Phase tones).


So, without seeing a few days worth of 24/7 graphs, it all looks good to me.


@ b*cat


Not on holiday (I wish I was), just incredibly busy work-wise etc.

[happy37]

Not a lot to comment on really, other than I wish it was my connection 

I would happily swap, but I have heard about your connection and its issues BE_1.

Happy37 would like to stay "happy" thank you.           

You do have quite a few Errored Seconds (1380 DS in just less than 1 day), but apparently not quite enough for DLM to decide to apply interleaving (yet).

Hmmm. Is that a bad thing? I suspect that DLM might just kick in with the interleaving.     

Looking at the Band Plans, your connection seems able to use all the bitloading tones at Medley phase (i.e. after it syncs) that were identified at Discovery Phase (unless you are using an older firmware version that mis-reports Medley Phase tones).

So, what are you saying here?

Is this a firmware issue? Do I leave this Howlimngs Wolf's one in place now to see how things go, or do I start again and (re-load) Asbokid's firmware to go back to that one?

Your thoughts once again would be most appreciated.

Thanks.

happy37

[Bald_Eagle1]

You do have quite a few Errored Seconds (1380 DS in just less than 1 day), but apparently not quite enough for DLM to decide to apply interleaving (yet).

Hmmm. Is that a bad thing? I suspect that DLM might just kick in with the interleaving.     

Time will tell.

It may be borderline, based on one or two other users' connection stats that I have seen

Looking at the Band Plans, your connection seems able to use all the bitloading tones at Medley phase (i.e. after it syncs) that were identified at Discovery Phase (unless you are using an older firmware version that mis-reports Medley Phase tones).

So, what are you saying here?

Is this a firmware issue? Do I leave this Howlimngs Wolf's one in place now to see how things go, or do I start again and (re-load) Asbokid's firmware to go back to that one?

Asbokid's original unlocked firmware was basically the stock BT firmware with the firewall level reset to allow user access.
It was that version that didn't report the Medley Phase Band Plans 'correctly'.


e.g. for my connection it appeared that I should be able to use all the 1st & 2nd Band Plan tones at Medley Phase.

My connection has NEVER been able to do that.


HowlingWolf's firmware & the firmware as remotely updated by BT now reports this more accurately for my connection:-

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Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1196)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1646)


i.e my connection can't use the 3rd US Band Plan or the 3rd DS Band Plan at all & it can only use part of the 2nd DS Band Plan (see attached Bitloading graph).



It used to report this pre-October 2013's firmware updates i.e. it incorrectly reported that my connection could use all of the 2nd DS Band Plan:-

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Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207) (1972,2783)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963) (2792,3959)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (0,95) (868,1207)
DS: (32,859) (1216,1963)



The highest tone my connection has ever been able to use was around tone 1750, still quite a way short of the highest Discovery Phase Band Plan tone.



So, leave HW's firmware in place as it does indicate all the tones are able to be used to some extent on your connection.

[NewtronStar]

BE1 your bits used on the D1 Band are very low, from tone 33 to 125 has some kind of adsl/adsl2+ power cutback then the bits shoots up at tone 175 (12 bits per carrier) and then takes a nose dive to tone 859, the D2 Band with only 2 bits per carrier from tone 1216 until tone 1500 and then you only get 1 bit to tone 1646.

If i didnt know the distance to your FTTC cabinet I would have said your on the Faster BroadBand service, your loosing about 25 to 37% of DS sync and 15% of US sync. 

[Bald_Eagle1]

Yes, NS.
That sums it up nicely.


See the attached animated gif.

That shows where the QLN, SNR & Bitloading have worsened with time.

Hlog (Line attenuation) has hardly changed at all.

This hasn't been a sudden change, it's been more of a gradual deterioration since May 2012.

I could have shown the gradual changes in the animation, but I thought I would simply show my connection at its best & its current state.

I do have some even better graphs (almost 36 Mbps sync speed at times), but the best case shown in the animation is a typical average that lasted for a few months after my intermittent fault was finally fixed.



As the worst hit tones include VDSL2 frequencies, I can only put the gradual deterioration down to increased crosstalk each time a new VDSL2 user was connected.