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Author Topic: Fed up of BT Target SNR sillyness!  (Read 15988 times)

mr_chris

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Re: Fed up of BT Target SNR sillyness!
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2007, 05:23:10 PM »

Thought I'd post the obligatory BBC traceroute too ;)

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.227.75]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    40 ms    99 ms    99 ms  192.168.1.254
  2    16 ms    17 ms    16 ms  87-194-144-1.bethere.co.uk [87.194.144.1]
  3    23 ms    27 ms    23 ms  10.1.2.1
  4    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  83.245.126.93
  5    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  212.58.238.153
  6    24 ms    23 ms    23 ms  212.58.238.161
  7    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  www5.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [212.58.227.75]

Trace complete.
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Re: Fed up of BT Target SNR sillyness!
« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2007, 06:22:24 PM »

Looks like Level3 backhaul then as I spy packetexchange in that tracert :(

Can you try a tracert to www.dilbert.com to confirm please Chris?
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mr_chris

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Re: Fed up of BT Target SNR sillyness!
« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2007, 06:32:50 PM »

Tracing route to www.dilbert.com [204.78.53.196]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    37 ms    99 ms    99 ms  192.168.1.254
  2    16 ms    17 ms    16 ms  87-194-144-1.bethere.co.uk [87.194.144.1]
  3    23 ms    24 ms    23 ms  10.1.2.1
  4    22 ms    23 ms    22 ms  213.161.72.69
  5    23 ms    32 ms    23 ms  so-0-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net [64.125.27.225]
  6    94 ms    94 ms    94 ms  so-0-1-0.mpr1.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.27.57]
  7   109 ms   107 ms   107 ms  so-1-0-0.mpr2.atl6.us.above.net [64.125.28.230]
  8   112 ms   108 ms   108 ms  above-ge.atl.bellsouth.net [64.125.12.222]
  9   108 ms   109 ms   110 ms  xer01pao-pos-3-0.bellsouth.net [65.83.236.193]
 10   109 ms   115 ms   109 ms  axr00asm-so-1-3-2.bellsouth.net [65.83.236.72]
 11   115 ms   115 ms   115 ms  ixc01cha-pos-6-0-0.bellsouth.net [65.83.239.29]
 12   116 ms   115 ms   115 ms  ixc00tys-pos-7-0-0.bellsouth.net [65.83.239.102]
 13   115 ms   115 ms   115 ms  205.152.243.129
 14   125 ms   124 ms   125 ms  68.152.210.226
 15   125 ms   125 ms   125 ms  stg.unitedmedia.com [204.78.53.196]

Trace complete.


Lots of abovenet hops there... aren't they pretty much in bed with Level3 anyway?
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Re: Fed up of BT Target SNR sillyness!
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2007, 06:47:52 PM »

Interesting. A few more if you would Chris

www.linx.net
www.lonap.net
www.ams-ix.net
www.youtube.com
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mr_chris

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Re: Fed up of BT Target SNR sillyness!
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2007, 06:53:07 PM »

Quickly because I'm going out... but here they are


U:\>tracert www.linx.net

Tracing route to www.linx.net [195.66.232.53]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    39 ms    99 ms    99 ms  192.168.1.254
  2    17 ms    16 ms    16 ms  87-194-144-1.bethere.co.uk [87.194.144.1]
  3    23 ms    36 ms    24 ms  10.1.2.1
  4   118 ms   108 ms    99 ms  bundle-2.er10.thlon.ov.easynet.net [195.66.224.4
3]
  5    23 ms    29 ms    22 ms  ip-89-200-130-58.ov.easynet.net [89.200.130.58]

  6    23 ms    23 ms    24 ms  te0-0-0.gr11.bllon.uk.easynet.net [87.86.77.43]

  7    23 ms    23 ms    24 ms  87.86.71.153
  8    24 ms    23 ms    23 ms  ge1-0-0.er3.tclon.uk.easynet.net [82.108.6.146]

  9    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  ge0-0-0.er3.thlon.uk.easynet.net [82.108.6.150]

 10    23 ms    23 ms    25 ms  ip-217-204-60-113.easynet.co.uk [217.204.60.113]

 11    25 ms    24 ms    24 ms  g0-0-124.tr2.tfm7.thn.linx.net [217.204.61.134]

 12    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  ivory.linx.net [195.66.232.53]

Trace complete.

U:\>tracert www.lonap.net

Tracing route to www.lonap.net [212.13.205.11]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    25 ms    99 ms    99 ms  192.168.1.254
  2    16 ms    16 ms    17 ms  87-194-144-1.bethere.co.uk [87.194.144.1]
  3     *       23 ms    28 ms  10.1.2.1
  4     *       23 ms    23 ms  213.161.72.69
  5    23 ms    22 ms    23 ms  so-1-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net [64.125.28.38]
  6    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  lonap-gw-a.jump.net.uk [193.203.5.80]
  7    23 ms    23 ms    22 ms  www.lonap.net [212.13.205.11]

Trace complete.

U:\>tracert www.ams-ix.net

Tracing route to www.ams-ix.net [193.194.136.7]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    26 ms    99 ms    99 ms  192.168.1.254
  2    17 ms    16 ms    16 ms  87-194-144-1.bethere.co.uk [87.194.144.1]
  3    24 ms    23 ms    23 ms  10.1.2.1
  4     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  5    22 ms    23 ms    23 ms  so-0-0-0.mpr1.lhr2.uk.above.net [64.125.27.225]

  6    36 ms    37 ms    47 ms  so-1-0-0.mpr2.ams5.nl.above.net [64.125.27.178]

  7    34 ms    34 ms    35 ms  abovenet-1401.xe-0-0-0.jun1.galilei.network.bit.
nl [62.4.86.94]
  8    40 ms    35 ms    35 ms  jun1.sara.network.bit.nl [213.136.31.3]
  9    38 ms    38 ms    38 ms  rtr1.ams-ix.net [195.69.144.1]
 10    51 ms    50 ms    50 ms  www.ams-ix.net [193.194.136.7]

Trace complete.

U:\>tracert www.youtube.com

Tracing route to www.youtube.com [208.65.153.253]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    35 ms    99 ms    99 ms  192.168.1.254
  2    16 ms    16 ms    17 ms  87-194-144-1.bethere.co.uk [87.194.144.1]
  3    24 ms    23 ms    23 ms  10.1.2.1
  4     *       22 ms    22 ms  213.161.72.69
  5    22 ms    22 ms    23 ms  globalcrossing-mfn.mfnx.net [208.185.188.66]
  6   100 ms   207 ms   213 ms  te2-1-10G.ar3.dca3.gblx.net [67.17.108.138]
  7   215 ms   204 ms   202 ms  YOUTUBE-LLC.tengigabitethernet8-2.ar3.DCA3.gblx.
net [208.48.1.186]
  8     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  9     *     ^C




Presumably the routers at 10.1.2.1 and 213.161.72.69 are busy at the moment with it being evening peak time. See what you make of those... I now shouldn't be here :-\
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Chris

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Re: Fed up of BT Target SNR sillyness!
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2007, 07:01:20 PM »

Hop 3 and hop 4 were always problematic for me. They DO drop packets - or at least they did on my connection and it gets significantly worse as the evening goes on. Sunday evening is a proper PITA.

However it looks like being near Manchester (network-wise) gives you some resilience which I didn't have as you're taking different routes to peering points which I never did :) You won't actually be peering there (LINX etc) much but it does look much better than my traceroutes did on Be.

You can only suck it and see but it looks better than I expected :)
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Re: Fed up of BT Target SNR sillyness!
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2007, 07:34:42 PM »

Hmmm you get more upstream, I get SRA. You've got better routing than I got on Be; I'm fairly happy with UKO's routing - although there does seem to be an "interesting" round-robin transatlantic router arrangement which doesn't (IMHO) deal well with heavy load. I get marginally slower speeds at peak times than on Be but Be/O2's network was basically empty. 11 days until the Jesus Phone - I guess that'll fill it up a bit as peeps are bound to move broadband across to save some cash.

I don't think there's much between them really - although UKO seems to have a mailserver that works. Nobody in their right mind would use Be's :)

It'll be interesting to see how it goes for both of us over the next few months :)
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