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Author Topic: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM  (Read 9215 times)

konrado5

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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2013, 11:57:13 PM »

Thank you for your reply. How do you plot the graphs? I can't do it. Could you look at my Hlin and Hlins?
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Hlin scale factor: DS = 4096  US = 0
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konrado5

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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2013, 12:43:24 AM »

I don't know whether on previous DSLAM these tones was used, I has not checked it. On new DSLAM I have always double synchronization establishing. It seems like following. Is it related to unused tones? I'm curious about cause of this strange synchronization process.

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user crit kernel: ADSL G.994 training
user crit kernel: ADSL G.992 started
user crit kernel: ADSL G.992 channel analysis
user crit kernel: ADSL G.992 message exchange
user crit kernel: ADSL link down
user crit kernel: ADSL G.994 training
user crit kernel: ADSL G.992 started
user crit kernel: ADSL G.992 channel analysis
user crit kernel: ADSL G.992 message exchange
user crit kernel: ADSL link up, interleaved, us=1225, ds=15678

Perhaps results of two subsequent SNR tests during very short period of time (less than minute) will be helpful.

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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2013, 12:43:45 AM »

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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2013, 12:48:57 AM »

I've briefly looked at your Hlin & Hlins data but they are just different representations of the Hlog data. To be honest, I wouldn't know the best way to plot Hlin nor Hlins.  :D

As for plotting the other graphs, I used a modified version of the 'bash' script that we wrote a few years ago. I have attached a copy, as a ZIP format file, below. Of course if you do not use a Linux kernel based OS, then it will be no use to you.  :-\
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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2013, 12:50:01 AM »

Thank you for script. I use Linux. I think it will be helpful.
Moment ago I've edited my post. What is my probable distance from exchange looking at my Hlog? My router shows attenuation either 24.5 dB or 25.0 dB for download and 14.8 dB for upload.
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PER: 16.07 16.23
delay: 0.12 0.24
OR: 61.72 10.84

Bitswap: 4440 0

I've once noticed short time after synchronization's establishing SNR margin either 0 dB either 112 dB. What was happening? After about 20 minutes I got disconnect. Furthermormore, there are always other SNR margin for upload during first 30 minutes of new synchronization, for example immediately after I get new synchronization, I have only 4.0 dB snr margin for upload. After 30 minutes it's very stable 6.6-6.8 dB.
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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2013, 01:03:31 AM »

Ok rescued my ham joint for tomorrow :)

Looking at the graphs, hlog..confirms my previous post & as B*cat says - looks like background mush.

I hadnt seen the QLN details, but I cant really see anything glaringly obvious in it.  It would be expected to follow the trend of the snr which to me is more informative.

After having seen the graphs, then Im more convinced that it isnt a physical line fault and not something that you will be able to do much about.  It certainly isnt ISP related.  Even if it was a radio-ham, there would be little you may be able to do to stop him broadcasting :/

>> Could you look at my Hlin and Hlins?


No point Im afraid they are in someway related to attenuation, but other than that we dont know anything useful about their results.   Its highly unlikely any useful interpretable data can be obtained from them.



>> On new DSLAM I have always double synchronization establishing.


As weve said in the past we dont know.. its possibly a 'feature' of your router.

>> Is it related to unused tones?

NO!

>> Perhaps results of subsequent SNR tests during short period will be helpful.

Ive had a quick scan through them, cant see anything in there that would change anything that Ive already said.


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Im not changing this one as Im off to bed now.   g'nite :)
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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2013, 01:06:44 AM »

>>> oment ago I've edited my post. What is my probable distance from exchange looking at my Hlog?

Just seen another post..


We are beginning to cover old ground again.  Hlog is based on attenuation.   
Its just an estimate by your router.   It cant be taken as gospel and it can vary slightly.
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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2013, 01:07:30 AM »

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looks like background mush
I don't understand.
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As weve said in the past we dont know.. its possibly a 'feature' of your router.
It's not feature of my router. On previous DSLAM I didn't have it after I improved installation in my home. I have it again as my ISP changed DSLAM. I had also it on other router.
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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2013, 01:50:31 AM »

This grumpy old burakkucat can hear the call of his warm and sleepy spot (his bed) . . . so I'll be brief.

My usage of the phrase 'background mush' was an attempt to provide a description of the generalised background 'white noise' that is present across all radio frequency bands.

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What is my probable distance from exchange looking at my Hlog?

I have no idea if such an estimate can be made.  :-\

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My router shows attenuation either 24.5 dB or 25.0 dB for download and 14.8 dB for upload.

Please don't go back to this topic, yet again. First of all, 24.5 or 25.0 dB can be considered as identical, in the scale of things. So let us use 25 dB DS and 15 dB US.

Having said that, the electrical length between your modem/router and the DSLAM (or MSAN) is 25 dB averaged over the DS frequencies in use and is 15 dB over the US frequencies in use. The physical characteristics of the metallic pathway (the pair of wires in the cable) define how much attenuation occurs at each discrete frequency. My suspicion is that the wire pair between the CPE and the CO (the modem/router and the DSLAM or MSAN) is made up of different lengths of different 'poundage' and each length has different physical characteristics. To be able to say what is the electrical distance between the CPE and CO in terms of units of length (yards, miles, metres, etc) would require knowledge of the characteristics of each and every separate length . . . and then only an approximation could be made.

Making use of the DSL Calculator tab, under the DSL tools tab, at this website gives a result of approximately 5945 feet / 1812 metres when the DS average attenuation is used for ADSL2+ mode. Other than that, there is nothing more that I can say.

Perhaps that website's owner would be able to explain things in a more understandable way?

And now the kuro neko plods off to his bed.  Good night!   :sleep:
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Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2013, 06:10:09 PM »

Can we just ban this person? He keeps asking the same questions over and over and ignores all our advice.

I'm fed up with his multiple, identical posts cluttering up the forum. I have tried to ignore it, but it's just ridiculous now!

Edit: I have been informed that you suffer from autism. I did not realise this. If I was at all offensive, I wholeheartedly apologise.

My only defence was that I didn't know. It's not much of a defense, but I thought you deserved to know why I have been somewhat negative towards you recently.
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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2013, 07:37:02 PM »

We're going around in circles again :).
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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2013, 10:23:15 PM »

I think I don't ask the same questions over and over. The question about disabled tones is new. The question about QLN, Hlog is new.
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Re: Slower ADSL2+ connection-new DSLAM
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2013, 11:10:40 PM »

Both b*cat and I tried to help you as much as we can with regards to the disabled tones, and the only reason we did is because this was a new issue.
All of the previous factors you have brought up have been normal occurrences & variations of adsl.  Some things we have tried to explain to the limit of our knowledge.

Your posts have received an awful lot of attention, but it diverts from helping to assist people who have real problems.
Weve also given all the reasons we can for possibility of the tones, but Im afraid that there is nothing that your ISP will be able to do about them if it is radio mush.   Weve also suggested if you ask your ISP if they know of any reason if those tones may have been disabled such as for HAM band.

Regretfully I think we have helped you all we can.  We have tried to take into account any language or other reasons, but the repetitiveness and fixation on attenuation makes the forum turn into mush itself.  That doesnt help other people and it begins to annoy other readers.  Not to mention time spent trying to help someone who doesnt have a real problem distracts people from being able to help those that do

Therefore I feel that I must close this topic now, because there really isnt anything more that can be said on any of the subjects you have already brought up.  I suggest if you have a real problem you contact your ISP.

Please do not PM any forum members, nor re-start any more posts for topics that have already covered because its becoming annoying.
If you do I shall have no alternative but to place a ban which is something we seldom have to resort to.. but there comes a point when enough is enough.
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