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Author Topic: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018  (Read 1378 times)

Ronski

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Re: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2017, 06:14:52 AM »

Whenever I collect an online order from Screwfix (nothing to do with porn) I have to use my card and enter my pin to verify I am the person who placed the order, this token as they call it never shows on my statement.
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Re: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2017, 10:48:48 AM »

Right ... and the alternative to the two main nanny staters would be? The Lib Dems? Who have trouble with the simple concept of democracy(among other things)?

I used to be an activist for a smaller political party and the amount of people on the door that give the "My grandfather voted labour, my father voted labour, so I'll vote labour" speech was a lot of people. Also there are large areas of people that just dont vote. Some will be because they are clueless, get bored of politics... But quite a few people don't want to register the house they are in for 'benefit reasons'. I think this means they sleep at different peoples houses when they arent supposed to. This tends to happen on the poorer estates, or "sink estates" as they are known in political circles. I often think if more people voted in these areas then the parties we get might be more reflective.
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Re: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2017, 08:01:02 PM »

Whenever I collect an online order from Screwfix (nothing to do with porn) I have to use my card and enter my pin to verify I am the person who placed the order, this token as they call it never shows on my statement.
that is a lot different in reality, then entering your cc details  on a web page, that may have been compromised and also why should you not be able to browse and watch FREE content anonymously, Also i have a broadband service from your home you have to be over 18 anyway,  So the responsibility should lie with the account holder ie parents  it's not the job of the nanny state
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Ronski

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Re: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2017, 05:29:30 AM »

@tommy45, I agree, was just pointing out that a verification check wouldn't necessarily show on a statement. In fact I would expect these websites to introduce a charge to cover the costs and then some.
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Re: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2017, 12:09:14 PM »

I posted the following up on TBB earlier today, but will expand on it a bit:



"In my mind this will not stop children accessing porn because as already mentioned, if they really want to access it they will use a VPN or could use TOR. One would think the government would already know this, but as politicians on the whole know nothing about how the internet works, maybe they don't know. Assuming they do know, then the agenda is probably nothing to do with stopping child access to porn but everything to do with banning VPN's further down the line when they can show that age verification didn't work."

The entire history of government involvement in ANYTHING remotely related to IT has always ended in one or more of the following, disaster, over budget, never ending up working properly or compromised security wise.
Politicians and and civil service management have little to no grasp as to how the internet works, GCHQ on the other hand knows exactly.

As i said in the TBB post, this is all to do with stopping end to end encryption in the uk and is is part of a "long game" the government and security services are playing. The people that come up with idea to "protect the children" know full well that CC age verification will never work, it isn't supposed to. Once they can hang the figures out to prove it hasn't worked they can then move on to VPN's and encryption in general, because of course they will have the proof that all the "children" are now using VPN's.
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Re: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2017, 01:38:45 PM »

@tommy45, I agree, was just pointing out that a verification check wouldn't necessarily show on a statement. In fact I would expect these websites to introduce a charge to cover the costs and then some.

Here's a link to an old o2 q&a that explains their process.   It's all I've been able to find.   They take a 1 charge and credit it to the mobile account, specifically to ensure it appears on statements

http://news.o2.co.uk/2011/03/03/mobile-phones-and-age-verification-your-questions-answered/
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Re: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2017, 11:22:35 PM »

As i said in the TBB post, this is all to do with stopping end to end encryption in the uk and is is part of a "long game" the government and security services are playing. The people that come up with idea to "protect the children" know full well that CC age verification will never work, it isn't supposed to. Once they can hang the figures out to prove it hasn't worked they can then move on to VPN's and encryption in general, because of course they will have the proof that all the "children" are now using VPN's.

Pretty much. Once the private sector fails to achieve mission impossible then the government can step in and we have our own Great Firewall, all in the name of thinking of the children.

A big initial driver for all this was Claire Perry, Devizes MP, via Premier Christian Media, and others from the God Squad taking exception to the ungodly content available on the Internet.
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tommy45

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Re: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2017, 01:31:29 AM »

Pretty much. Once the private sector fails to achieve mission impossible then the government can step in and we have our own Great Firewall, all in the name of thinking of the children.

A big initial driver for all this was Claire Perry, Devizes MP, via Premier Christian Media, and others from the God Squad taking exception to the ungodly content available on the Internet.
I don't think the god squad has anything to do with it, more like more PC nanny state seeking to control us
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Ignitionnet

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Re: UK ISP Blocking and Age Verification of Porn Websites from April 2018
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2017, 02:14:36 PM »

Not really.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11822874

Little background on one of the stats:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/britain-considers-isp-filters-to-save-the-children-flawed-logic/

https://www.care.org.uk/news/latest-news/breakthrough-fight-keep-children-safe-online
http://www.christianpost.com/news/uk-group-pushes-email-campaign-to-protect-kids-from-internet-porn-48845/

Safermedia pushed Perry's report, amongst many other activities.

http://www.safermedia.org.uk/Images/press-release-online-inquiry.pdf

http://www.safermedia.org.uk/campaigntimeline.htm

They are most definitely of a religious bent.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/dec/23/internet-porn-religious-campaigners-children-sexualisation

While blaming the nanny state is the in thing the God Squad's involvement is pretty clear here. Once it's in place it provides a great opportunity for the state to get some quite illiberal filtering running but sadly the state can do as it pleases and there's realistically nothing we can do about it.
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