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jelv

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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2018, 09:21:25 AM »

@Westie - as long as the wire is twisted pair it should be a distinct improvement over what you have.

@renloup - until an Ethernet cable stops working or needs you to waggle the plug in the socket to get a decent connection it's fine. Standard Cat 5 (not 5e) will work up to 100M at 100mbps so the short lengths you have are very, very unlikely to affect speeds.
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2018, 12:41:24 PM »

Thanks, jelv
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 11:25:55 PM »

Man is coming tomorrow. This afternoon, at request of Erin, I recovered the router (Billion) from test socket. Back in its usual home it acted straightway as before, so it was back to the Technicolor. That's holding in but under 3000 kbps.

OT. I was surprised by another contact, claimed to be ex-BT, who in his email said, " I donít recommend fitting the filtered kind of sockets as  filters are prone to just break for no reason and this can cause you a problem with testing and replacing easily".
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2018, 04:55:32 PM »

The man came this afternoon, and saw the layout. He seemed unsure about testing for source of trouble, and suggested replacing the wiring in the cavity. I may have misunderstood along the line, but my talking about two cables being run from a SSFP, he said only one was needed. He looked to be getting on. So not broadband savvy?!

Comments for ren, please.
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2018, 06:28:03 PM »

Assuming you decide to have the cable that links the NTE5 (master socket) to the telephony extension socket (and the yet to be installed data extension socket) replaced, it can be done in two ways.

Either using multi-pair cable, say CAT5e (which is four pair cable), and running the telephony circuit over one pair & the data extension over another pair within that cable.

Or using two runs of cable, say two pair CW1308, one cable for the telephony extension & the second cable for the data extension.

Hopefully the above will make sense . . .
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2018, 07:22:26 PM »

Thanks Bcat! It seems from your advice I may have misunderstood the man, eh!
Have you any feeling on the two contacted so far?
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2018, 09:19:18 PM »

It is very difficult for me to constructively comment.

If you have decided that you would like to have an NTE5/A as the master socket and then have the most recent SSFP Mk III (service specific face plate) fitted, with two separate sockets (one for telephony, the second for xDSL) at the original extension location, then that is your choice. If the person you have contacted does not want to do it as you have requested then don't use him.

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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2018, 09:38:04 PM »

There are many variants of CW1308 cable with differing numbers of cores so it is perfectly practical to run separate data and telephony links over the same cable.

E.g. Maplins sell 4 and 6 core: https://www.maplin.co.uk/search/?text=cw1308; RS components sell 40 core https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/telecom-cable/0368479/; you can even get 100 core (Google CW1308 50 pair)!
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2018, 12:17:27 AM »

There are many variants of CW1308 cable with differing numbers of cores so it is perfectly practical to run separate data and telephony links over the same cable.

b*cat nods in agreement.

Some people take the view that once the xDSL and telephony are "separated" at the SSFP, it would be preferable to use two separate cables as a means of keeping the two signals physically further apart.
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2018, 12:25:20 PM »

B'cat has been very kindly informative in an exchange of PMs. I am waiting for my chosen expert to make a time to call to deal with problem.
Connection has been getting much worse, with one idiotic episode caused by YT. I had tried another DSL cable, and somehow managed to insert the RJ11 in the adjacent RJ45 socket. ::)
This morning the QLN too had much changed. Here are text results for yesterday and today.
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Are those figures telling anything?

I've changed back to the Technicolor 582N, which seems to be holding in. However, there is a glitch with DSLStats. It doesn't like the password, I use to log into the router with as DSLStats' telnet password. It didn't seem to like blank either.

Comment and further advice, please.
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2018, 04:08:24 PM »

The man came today, and now I have a NTE5C in the computer room, and the downstairs socket is relegated to an extension. Labour +parts was £41. I forgot to ask what he was using, but he said line was clean. I'd guess the apparatus was near to the that of a legacy digibox, 4 cm high.

It's 5.25 hrs uptime since the work, and just in case someone spots anything
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Status: Showtime
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Last initialization procedure status:   0
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T:              9               9
R:              10              16
S:              0.0718          4.0000
L:              1894            256
D:              416             8

                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
SF:             1159240         108551
SFErr:          0               0
RS:             1043314301              1551269
RSCorr:         20472           1118
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    135609195               39184929
Data Cells:     7132230         479394
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            46              46
AS:             18732

                        Bearer 0
INP:            8.50            2.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          7               8
PER:            16.15           18.00
OR:             49.51           7.11
AgR:            3107.39 892.51

Bitswap:        175/175         37/37

Total time = 5 hours 12 min 58 sec
FEC:            20472           1118
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            46              46
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 12 min 58 sec
FEC:            459             0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            1160            107
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 5 hours 12 min 58 sec
FEC:            20472           1118
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            46              46
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 5 hours 12 min 11 sec
FEC:            20472           1118
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
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I dont expect marvels yet, but should I request bamding removed now or wait a bit?
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2018, 06:34:23 PM »

I would be inclined to just use the circuit; watch and observe how it behaves over (say) the forthcoming week.

Looking at the raw data does not tell me much. I can see that in the current "up" time frame there have no CRCs or other "nasties". The number of FECs is quite reasonable and shows that the error detection & correction functionality is working well.
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2018, 03:36:40 PM »

In my last post I said
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the downstairs socket is relegated to an extension.
. That was the old master with the horizontal split. What is there has the split, so I'm guessing the old master is acting as an extension, but with a test socket still in situ, but non operational.
Fusspot I know, but I like to be sure of things.
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2018, 05:25:48 PM »

Oh . . .  ???

So I'm uncertain as to what your man has done. If it was me, I would have replaced the old master socket with a new extension socket. Unfortunately Hampshire is just too far away for me to "drop in" and check.
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Re: My connection insane this morning
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2018, 10:56:14 PM »

He's ex BT in his ads. I could unscrew the socket, take photo and post if thought useful and wise.  :-\
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