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[gt94sss2]

I noticed last weekend (but don't think it has been mentioned here) that the BT Wholesale checker has now started showing availability of the 18/2MB FTTC product which was being trialed by Openreach.

I am guessing it only shows as available if your estimated ADSL speeds are less than <10MB since my parents line shows it as available (they are on 55/10MB) but their estimated  ADSL 2+ speed range is estimated to be between 4-8 MB but its not offered on brothers line who in on ADSL but with an estimated ADSL 2+ speed range  of 10 to 19.5 MB.

[burakkucat]

I attach the BTWholesale estimate for a circuit connected via the same DP and PCP as that of The Cattery.

We can see that the 18/2 product is mentioned, along with FTTPoD.

[kitz]

Thanks - looks like a few things have changed on the latest version


Just tried it on my parents address who have adsl1 estimate of Up to 6.5    --    5.5 to 7.5
But its not showing as available for them.

If it makes any difference their VDSL estimate is 80 to 72.8    

[NewtronStar]

It is showing here WBC FTTC 18x2 Provide Availability yes

[gt94sss2]

Openreach announced in October that the trial was changing - including:

   

• Adding additional qualifying cabinets.
• Increasing the availability of the offer to apply to qualifying ADSL lines speed criteria <10Mbps. This is an uplift from our current <3Mbps speed criteria.

Interested to know how they chose what cabinets to extend the trial too - I'm in London so not exactly rural and am one of the furthest properties from my cabinet though we still sync at 60MB on FTTC.

Still I guess the ultimate aim is to reduce the number if ADSL customers so imagine that is a big factor...

[niemand]

Not hard to see why it's available on my cabinet

[ejs]

With such low ADSL estimates, and relatively high FTTC estimates, I would have thought the higher FTTC speeds would be more attractive to people. So less need to offer people lower speeds.

Here's mine.

[gt94sss2]

With such low ADSL estimates, and relatively high FTTC estimates, I would have thought the higher FTTC speeds would be more attractive to people. So less need to offer people lower speeds.

I guess this helps illustrate just how cost sensitive UK consumers are re: broadband  and/or how they believe whatever speeds they currently get are sufficient for their current needs.

[ejs]

Or it could be that they're working towards making 18/2 available on all FTTC cabinets.

[Bowdon]

The checker updated for me... but no Yes.

I'm on an ECI cabinet. I guess this is where we get left behind on any other fttc products.

[forceware]

I'm on an eci and the checker says it's available for me.

[stevebrass]

Yep ECI cabinet and 18/2 available.

Perhaps instead of offering me Infinity 2 they might offer this.

At a better price than I am paying now.

[renluop]

Please remind me, if a price has been suggested for the product.

[ejs]

From the BTWholesale WBC price spreadsheet, 18/2 FTTC is £9.75 per month (ADSL2+ is £5.88 and 40/2 FTTC is £13 per month).

Openreach has a special offer price for 18/2 FTTC of £48/year for the eligible <10Mb ADSL lines on the selected cabinets.

(all ex. VAT)

How any of those prices will translate into prices the end user pays their ISP, who knows.

[Bowdon]

It's good to know that ECI cabinets are getting this.

I'm just wondering why it's not come to my cabinet. So far I can think of 2 possible reasons. It might not be any of these but here goes.

The first possibility is that they have assessed that everyone on the cabinet is getting speeds above 18/2 on their FTTC connections.

The second possibility, and one I'm going to ask you guys is, in my area every phone icon on roadworks is 99% virgin media. It's obvious to me VM in this area is really pushing hard in their coverage. There isnt a day go past without a VM icon on the map. So I'm wondering if BT's approach to offering new products will be measured by the amount of rival networks in an area?