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[ejs]

This thread reminded me of something from SOGEA E2E Proposition.pdf

There must be some slight difference with the NTE5c if it will be possible to determine its presence remotely with "line test signatures".

[Weaver]

@ejs - That's very weird. If they can really remotely detect the type of NTE5, then that means it's distorting the upstream signal in some way, which is bad. If it's generating a return signal as a  conditional response to some incoming "activate test" signal, then that would be expensive, complicated with a significant component count and would cause some insertion loss (attenuation).

Surely they mean that they just consult their records? If you've bought your own NTE5C then that would be considered naughty in any case if you replaced the existing NTE5, but you could always chain the new device off the old instead.

[digitalnemesis]

Out of interest have you tried Mk2, I have not tried a Mk1 maybe this would be even better than my Mk2 lol

Don't have the MK2

I posted some results here, MK1/MK3 vs Cat5e/Cat6 http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,17760.0.html

[ejs]

@Weaver

It's probably something like the testing described in BT SIN 351 section 10, not upstream DSL frequencies. Similarly, apparently there's a difference between having a master socket vs. having no master socket and connecting the pair of wires straight into the DSL socket of a modem.

[burakkucat]

. . . apparently there's a difference between having a master socket vs. having no master socket and connecting the pair of wires straight into the DSL socket of a modem.

The difference being the series connected 470 k Ohm resistor and the 1.8 micro Farad capacitor shunt across the pair. 

[j0hn]

If you don't use an ordinary telephone, and so don't need the BT-phone type socket, then straight-through faceplates for DSL, which go onto the older NTE5, are available from the Andrews and Arnold shop. AAISP shop:
    http://aa.net.uk/broadband-accessories.html

(Note: You don't have to be an existing ISP-customer.)

I've ordered this, but they don't like making it easy to purchase if you're not a customer. The order confirmation says they will not invoice me until they have supplied the goods. They will not send the goods till I pay. I won't know the delivery charge till they invoice me. So how do I pay for delivery if they won't tell me how much delivery is till I've paid? After querying this via email and asking if there is a shipping charge the reply I got was..

Yes, Post and packaging costs will be added to your invoice as per the
order confirmation.

Once payment has been made, We will send you the goods.

Thank you

wtf?!?
I'm just going to transfer £6 and see how it goes lol

[gazaai]

I don't think your ordering it correctly. I added mine to the basket, then paid via PayPal the shipping was added to the price before paying.

Also I have already sold mine on eBay, the NTE5C did not fit in the box within my wall, as my master socket is flush with the wall like a mains socket. Also the speed was no different from a Mk3, so at the moment I have switched to a standard dangly filter and NTE5A and the speeds are the highest I've ever seen them. I guess as I have no extensions a filtered faceplate especially with the coil found in mk2,3 & 4 actually make my speed slower rather than faster. Mk1 might be perfect for my line tho.

[j0hn]

I was talking about the lower broadband only unfiltered faceplate for the nte5a from AAISP, like I quoted 
I wouldn't pay that much for the nte5c/mk4.

[gazaai]

Oh right I understand now lol

[aesmith]

I was talking about the lower broadband only unfiltered faceplate for the nte5a from AAISP, like I quoted 

Let us know what the postage charge applies in the end.

[Weaver]

That's not good at all. Very annoying.

[aesmith]

Openreach round again today, and we now have the new Mk.5 master socket with Mk4 filter.  Are Openreach now swapping to the new ones as a matter of routine?   I can't see any particular other reason to fit it in our case, since the existing parts had been replaced only a month or so ago after the lightning damage.

[Geekofbroadband]

Does the whole thing just screw into a standard BT back-box?

[burakkucat]

Does the whole thing just screw into a standard BT back-box?

In theory it should. Including the standard recessed, metal, electrical backing box. 

If it doesn't, then someone has severely blundered and a redesign will have to occur.

[Weaver]

Is there any chance of asking for an upgrade? Might come in useful some day, as Mrs. Weaver find’s it difficult to get to the test socket, and sometimes I'm either out of it or my hands don't work. Actually the alternative would just be to pretend I got to the test socket and use the right rj11-rj11/rj45 (or whatever) lead that a wired conventional phone takes. I think we still keep one somewhere for the inevitable, annoying and obligatory listening test.