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[Weaver]

some of the bumf on the web seems a bit confused. Does this box need any reconfig at all first to make it be a modem rather than an ip router? (cf. Dlink DSL-320B devices that I'm running right now, which came preconfigured for me by AAISP to stop them being brain-damaged routers)

[burakkucat]

Just seen this thread and thought I would post a reply as I've been running the Vigor 130 for the last month or more.

Welcome to the Kitz forum. Thank you for telling us of your experiences.

So far all good, no complaints.

So you would have no hesitation in recommending the Vigor 130 to anyone who just wants to bridge from/to xDSL to/from Ethernet. 

[burakkucat]

some of the bumf on the web seems a bit confused. Does this box need any reconfig at all first to make it be a modem rather than an ip router? (cf. Dlink DSL-320B devices that I'm running right now, which came preconfigured for me by AAISP to stop them being brain-damaged routers)

My understanding is that the Vigor 130 (just like its predecessor the Vigor 120) is factory configured to operate as a pure bridging modem to/from xDSL from/to Ethernet.

[AStalUK]

Just seen this thread and thought I would post a reply as I've been running the Vigor 130 for the last month or more.

Welcome to the Kitz forum. Thank you for telling us of your experiences.

So far all good, no complaints.

So you would have no hesitation in recommending the Vigor 130 to anyone who just wants to bridge from/to xDSL to/from Ethernet. 

No none, works as well as the Vigor 120 in bridging mode which I was very happy with.  If I have any problems with the BT modems or need to do self installs for any of the business connections I will quite happily be replacing them with 130's.

some of the bumf on the web seems a bit confused. Does this box need any reconfig at all first to make it be a modem rather than an ip router? (cf. Dlink DSL-320B devices that I'm running right now, which came preconfigured for me by AAISP to stop them being brain-damaged routers)

My understanding is that the Vigor 130 (just like its predecessor the Vigor 120) is factory configured to operate as a pure bridging modem to/from xDSL from/to Ethernet.

This is correct, no configuration required.  You can just plug it in and away it goes, it auto detects ADSL or VDSL the rest of the defaults look okay for UK broadband.  The only time you need to look at the WebUI is if you want to check stats or update the firmware which can only be done by plugging your Ethernet cable directly into the modem.  Which is expected as it's running in Bridge mode, the only exception to this (of which I'm aware) is if you use another Draytek router which has special firmware that can read the stats from the modem.

[Weaver]

I finally managed to to get hold of one. The jury is still out.

ADSL1: Was rather disappointed with the results under my test conditions - on ADSL on *an ultra-long line* (63dB ds attn), no ADSL2 available at all here. Lower ds sync rate ~1600 instead of 1984..2114 using a DLink DSL-320B.

I can't say anything about vdsl performance

Note that although you don't need to do any config at all for the thing to just work, it works straight out of the box, but it appears that the device *defaults* to MTU 1492 as opposed to 1508-8=1500 according to the web admin ui.

tested on upgraded firmware 3.7.8.1_m, downloaded on 2015-06-27

[GigabitEthernet]

I don't like the telnet interface of the Draytek modems so I'll give this a miss

[Weaver]

If anyone gets a feel for ds sync performance / aggressiveness on ADSL, as opposed to ADSL2 or VDSL2, then would they kindly post some numbers?

I’d like to know if mine is just slow compared to the other two current contenders (DLink DSL-320B and the venerable Netgear DG834 v3) or whether I’m simply being punished for confusing DLM and things will improve after weeks or months of misery.

[psychopomp1]

Hi
I've ordered the Vigor 130 to replace my HG612 (i'm on a Huawei cab) on TalkTalk Business FTTC. No issues with HG612 sync speeds (full 80/20) but hoping I can better my current ping times of ~22ms using the Vigor 130 - though I suspect that's mainly due to my location in the Scottish Highlands. Anyway my question is how would i access the stats on the Vigor 130 using a pc wirelessly connected to my router, Linksys EA8500? I'm aware that i can do do this by connecting a pc directly to the Vigor 130 but obviously this isn't very practical.
Cheers
psycho

[Dray]

So hop 2 on a traceroute (i.e to the remote gateway) is 22ms? Is that wired or wireless?

[psychopomp1]

So hop 2 on a traceroute (i.e to the remote gateway) is 22ms? Is that wired or wireless?

22ms pings are both by wired & by wireless (802.11ac), been like that from day 1 on VDSL2. Previously on TT ADSL2+ i was getting around 34ms so an improvement. Even neighbours on AAISP FTTC never get below 20ms so it may be purely down to our location (Highlands).

[Dray]

Is it fastpath or interleaved?

[psychopomp1]

Is it fastpath or interleaved?

No idea mate, can you tell from the stats below?

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BusyBox v1.9.1 (2014-01-21 16:44:38 CST) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

# xdslcmd info --pbParams
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 29942 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82424 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Discovery Phase (Initial) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
Medley Phase (Final) Band Plan
US: (7,32) (871,1205) (1972,2782)
DS: (33,859) (1216,1961) (2793,3970)
                  VDSL Port Details               Upstream                Downst
ream
Attainable Net Data Rate:           29942 kbps              82424 kbps
Actual Aggregate Tx Power:             1.1 dBm               12.7 dBm
================================================================================
====
        VDSL Band Status                U0              U1              U2
        U3              U4              D1              D2              D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  3.1     14.7    21.3     N/A     N/A    8.2     17.9
 27.2
Signal Attenuation(dB):  3.1     13.8    20.8     N/A     N/A    9.3     17.8
 27.3
                SNR Margin(dB):  15.2    15.3    15.3     N/A     N/A    6.6
 6.6     6.6
                 TX Power(dBm): -13.1   -28.9    1.0      N/A     N/A    8.8
 7.9     7.0
# sh


BusyBox v1.9.1 (2014-01-21 16:44:38 CST) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

# xdslcmd info --stats
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Last initialization procedure status:   0
Max:    Upstream rate = 29950 Kbps, Downstream rate = 82424 Kbps
Bearer: 0, Upstream rate = 19999 Kbps, Downstream rate = 79999 Kbps
Bearer: 1, Upstream rate = 0 Kbps, Downstream rate = 0 Kbps
Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL2 Profile:          Profile 17a
TPS-TC:                 PTM Mode(0x0)
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        6.6             15.3
Attn(dB):        12.9            0.0
Pwr(dBm):        12.7            1.1
                        VDSL2 framing
                        Bearer 0
MSGc:           -6              26
B:              130             237
M:              1               1
T:              0               42
R:              8               16
S:              0.0518          0.3781
L:              21468           5374
D:              16              1
I:              139             127
N:              139             254
Q:              16              0
V:              14              0
RxQueue:                60              0
TxQueue:                20              0
G.INP Framing:          18              0
G.INP lookback:         20              0
RRC bits:               0               24
                        Bearer 1
MSGc:           186             -6
B:              0               0
M:              2               0
T:              2               0
R:              16              0
S:              5.3333          0.0000
L:              48              0
D:              3               0
I:              32              0
N:              32              0
Q:              0               0
V:              0               0
RxQueue:                0               0
TxQueue:                0               0
G.INP Framing:          0               0
G.INP lookback:         0               0
RRC bits:               0               0
                        Counters
                        Bearer 0
OHF:            0               1063963
OHFErr:         1               94
RS:             2522771920              1750597
RSCorr:         19160           1912
RSUnCorr:       0               0
                        Bearer 1
OHF:            26374599                0
OHFErr:         0               0
RS:             316494444               0
RSCorr:         0               0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

                        Retransmit Counters
rtx_tx:         16158           0
rtx_c:          1067            0
rtx_uc:         8               0

                        G.INP Counters
LEFTRS:         12              0
minEFTR:        79999           0
errFreeBits:    516937961               0

                        Bearer 0
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    750639133               0
Data Cells:     586989578               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

                        Bearer 1
HEC:            0               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    0               0
Data Cells:     0               0
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             1               87
SES:            0               0
UAS:            28              28
AS:             423653

                        Bearer 0
INP:            48.00           0.00
INPRein:        0.00            0.00
delay:          0               0
PER:            0.00            3.98
OR:             0.01            64.22
AgR:            80614.82        20063.54

                        Bearer 1
INP:            4.00            0.00
INPRein:        4.00            0.00
delay:          3               0
PER:            16.06           0.01
OR:             95.62           0.01
AgR:            95.62   0.01

Bitswap:        241980/241980           123/123

Total time = 1 days 21 hours 41 min 21 sec
FEC:            19160           1912
CRC:            1               94
ES:             1               87
SES:            0               0
UAS:            28              28
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 11 min 21 sec
FEC:            68              0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC:            15              0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 21 hours 41 min 21 sec
FEC:            3685            45
CRC:            0               12
ES:             0               12
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
FEC:            3807            114
CRC:            0               14
ES:             0               13
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
Since Link time = 4 days 21 hours 40 min 53 sec
FEC:            19160           1912
CRC:            1               94
ES:             1               87
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
LOM:            0               0
#

[GigabitEthernet]

You have a small amount of interleaving on the downstream and none on the upstream.

[Weaver]

Gave the Draytek Vigor 130 a second try, stepping in for a DLink DSL-320B which was wiped out by lightning surge. The d/s sync rate is horrible, in the 1.25 Mbps IP throughput band, whereas the DLink modem that was in use on the same line was in the d/s IP2000 band with d/s sync rate ~2300. The Draytek was exceptional on u/s sync rate (480k).

But 1.25 Mbps d/s instead of 2.0 Mbps isn't an option.

[Weaver]

I'm not sure what would happen if I gave the modems a really long test run over more than a few days, this last run was only 24 hours or less.