Post by: tbailey2 on March 04, 2018, 01:00:06 PM
It is with some regret that I have to announce the closure of MyDSLWebstats. There are many reasons behind this but it's mostly due to the fact that it's taken over my life to the extent that it is about to become a victim of its own success as it's just proving too much for me to cope with. The server is also showing signs of overload recently with a rapidly increasing user base and would likely need a rewrite to get over this. I also have increasing difficulty coding/concentrating these days now I'm 73.
Another major problem is the looming implementation of GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) on May 25th. Since I am advised that even as an individual I hold sufficient data on everyone Registered as using MDWS to come under its umbrella, I just don't have the resources or effort needed at my age to get involved in meeting the many requirements it enforces or face the possible penalties it imposes so all that data has to go.
MDWS started as a pure experiment in 2014 with no idea if it was even feasible but it eventually was up and running with a lot of unpaid effort from all those involved (BaldEagle1, roseway, Ronski and tbailey2). We have since lost contact with one of the founding contributors (BaldEagle1) who wrote HG612 Modem Stats which now runs unsupported, which has put more pressure on roseway when changes are needed to DSLStats.
So on Monday 12th March 2018 MDWS will become unavailable. If anyone wants a refund of any recent donation(s) they made I can do so on request but please do so quickly. Please cancel any standing orders related to donations and you will need to stop uploading by the cessation date else you will just be wasting your bandwidth.
MDWS is no longer accepting Donations or new Registrations as of today.
Thanks for your support over the years and hope the facility was useful to you.
Post by: adslmax on March 04, 2018, 01:08:32 PM
Post by: dgilbert2 on March 04, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
I wish you well and thanks for the short time I was able to use your service.
Best of health to you.
Post by: ktz392837 on March 04, 2018, 01:31:04 PM
If anyone wants to provide a similar service I would consider donating.
I will miss the 24h overview graph, the all user stats page and the historic archive of snrm, sync speeds, errorred seconds and attenuation the most.
I guess everyone will be increasing the number of days and frequency dslstats keeps snapshots for now but it will not come close to keeping minute by minute data.
Post by: pooclah on March 04, 2018, 01:49:15 PM
Thank you for the service you have provided and please enjoy your retirement.
All the best
Kevin
Post by: j0hn on March 04, 2018, 01:55:35 PM
@tbailey2 I would like to request a refund please. All the best for your healthy future.Hardly a recent donation. DONATION. It was never a paid service.
Thanks for all your hard work Tony.
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MDWS is no longer accepting Donations or new Registrations as of today.
No way to send a wee thank you donation?
Post by: kitz on March 04, 2018, 02:05:15 PM
The old thread can still be found here (https://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,14361.0.html).
I would like to thank Tony for all his hard work and effort into creating MDWS. Together with input from Eric (DSLstats) and BE1 & Ronski (HG612_modem_stats) for getting their own programs working seamlessly with MDWS the project was a huge success.
However the huge amount of unpaid time and effort into getting this working has perhaps been under estimated by some and I have no doubt that a few have become over demanding in their requests for features and queries. Yet throughout Tony has tried to be accommodating and IMHO done an excellent job.
Whilst I too shall miss MDWS I fully understand Tony's reasoning behind this. GDPR is going to be a headache for certain sectors which retain personal data. It is going to affect communities and charities. I too was a bit worried how it would affect this site, but since the only 'personal data' stored is email addresses and because those are never used for marketing my interpretation is that normal forums are OK. If not then the new regulations will destroy an awful lot of sites, forums and blogs. :(
It will likely impact the likes of TBB who keep speed test results to location, so not sure how they are going to deal with it.
Unfortunately I don't see anyone wishing to take over responsibility for GDPR on MDWS unless they are willing to designate someone responsible for that side of things too. :(
Thank you Tony for what you have done and wishing you all the best for the future. :)
Post by: kitz on March 04, 2018, 02:13:16 PM
Hardly a recent donation. DONATION. It was never a paid service.
I saw the original post before the edit and must admit my eyes widened when I saw first saw it! :o
Some people have used the service far more than others and I'm glad that the particular post was edited to actually wish Tony the best for the future.
Post by: roseway on March 04, 2018, 02:40:03 PM
Seconded. :)
Post by: skyeci on March 04, 2018, 02:42:59 PM
all the best for the future!
Post by: bilbokitz on March 04, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
Post by: ktz392837 on March 04, 2018, 03:11:49 PM
Adslmax i dont know how to say what i want to say but here goes anyway could I suggest you post more information on why you need a refund (eg it could be you just donated again etc)? I was surprised when I read your original reply especially as I get the uniformed impression you should have already got plenty value from all but the most recent donations?
Post by: g3uiss on March 04, 2018, 04:33:46 PM
Thanks for all the hard work over the years. If it was a consideration, I might be able to sort the GDPR having just done this for two organisations much more complicated with marketing data etc
Tony
Post by: banger on March 04, 2018, 04:36:57 PM
Post by: kitz on March 04, 2018, 04:38:00 PM
I could be wrong (possibly am as I no expert) but off the top of my head these could be some of the areas.
-Info viewable by others
-ISP info
-Use of Geo Location
-Storage and security of running own server
There's also something else which I can envisage being problematic for some site/forum owners and that's to do with subscriptions, so if you run a forum and you have member sectors based on those who may have donated to obtain a different status. Anyone who takes subscriptions could be affected.
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At first I was thinking it me affect me because even though I don't use mailing lists, I store email addresses for log-on info. But if they go that far then half of the internet is going to end up shutting down. There's millions of forums that require this info, what about blog sites too? What about IP addresses? all servers store this data. All forum/blogs etc use IP data so that bans can be placed. I think if GDPR goes to that extent then they will have destroyed the internet to all but the big corporate sites who can afford to employ data controllers. :(
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It looks like g3uiss may have a much better idea than me.
Post by: NewtronStar on March 04, 2018, 04:46:13 PM
All I can say is thanks for making this possible for us and you go an relax now.
Post by: 4candles on March 04, 2018, 04:48:11 PM
Many thanks for all your hard work - much appreciated.
Post by: Westie on March 04, 2018, 04:51:31 PM
Although I 'came late to the party', my gratitude for what you have achieved and the service you have provided is immense. I have always found graphs to be a great way of presenting complex data in easily comprehended ways, and it's been very instructive in my foray into the world of understanding broadband. The ease with which I have been able to compare my line stats over such varied time periods, and also compare them with others' stats is a tribute to both your skill in coding and your understanding of the subject. Furthermore, your response to user requests (even the 'silly' ones) has been exemplary. There are 'professional' companies who would do well to learn from you, and I have been amazed at the quality of what has been essentially a free resource.
I can see I'm going to be busy this coming week, finding other ways to do the data analysis you have made so easy! ;) I'll miss MDWS, but my main response is gratitude that I had the opportunity to use it at all.
Take care,
George
Post by: broadstairs on March 04, 2018, 04:54:11 PM
Stuart
Post by: Adam86 on March 04, 2018, 05:02:07 PM
I know it might be a bit much asking but is there any possibility of a slight extension on the cut off date? I only ask because it is rumoured that ECI Lines are meant to be getting G.INP and 3db profiles W/C 5th March, so it would just be nice to potentially see some stats coming through over the new few weeks to see if this is indeed the case or not.
Cheers
Post by: Ronski on March 04, 2018, 05:15:02 PM
Thanks again Tony, hope you have a great second retirement :fingers:
Post by: j0hn on March 04, 2018, 05:23:51 PM
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I only ask because it is rumoured that ECI Lines are meant to be getting G.INP and 3db profiles W/C 5th March
The info given was 4th week in March, but seems to have been interpreted as 4th March.
Post by: tommy45 on March 04, 2018, 05:51:30 PM
Post by: Bowdon on March 04, 2018, 06:04:23 PM
To have been running such an important service for so long, and holding to a high working standard shows a dedication that few have these days.
Thank you for your service.
Post by: g3uiss on March 04, 2018, 06:06:27 PM
I honestly don't know as it seems a bit of a minefield, but I believe Tony has looked into it and asked for professional advice, it does affect MDWS on several counts and it would be time consuming to ensure that he complied.
I could be wrong (possibly am as I no expert) but off the top of my head these could be some of the areas.
-Info viewable by others
-ISP info
-Use of Geo Location
-Storage and security of running own server
There's also something else which I can envisage being problematic for some site/forum owners and that's to do with subscriptions, so if you run a forum and you have member sectors based on those who may have donated to obtain a different status. Anyone who takes subscriptions could be affected.
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At first I was thinking it me affect me because even though I don't use mailing lists, I store email addresses for log-on info. But if they go that far then half of the internet is going to end up shutting down. There's millions of forums that require this info, what about blog sites too? What about IP addresses? all servers store this data. All forum/blogs etc use IP data so that bans can be placed. I think if GDPR goes to that extent then they will have destroyed the internet to all but the big corporate sites who can afford to employ data controllers. :(
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It looks like g3uiss may have a much better idea than me.
I've being doing this work for some time on a couple of theatres that store extensive marketing data.
In a VERY broad sense, there isn't so much of an issues about whats stored but having a clear policy how its used and how long its kept that is available to users of the "Service" There is no intent to stop data being stored (as you rightly point out - everything stops)
Tony
Post by: Browni on March 04, 2018, 06:12:20 PM
Thank you very much Tony for providing such an excellent service and best wishes for the future.
Post by: atkinsong on March 04, 2018, 06:23:29 PM
It is clear to me that Tony has gone "above and beyond" and deserves all credit for that. All the best for the future.
Post by: JamesK on March 04, 2018, 06:27:03 PM
Post by: underzone on March 04, 2018, 07:05:20 PM
You have the Pi installer for example, let the Pi store 30 days of stats for users. The Pi could run a web interface accessible only locally on the internal network.
It would just be a local client type service - no centralised server needed or required.
You could charge a modest fee, like you do now to allow 30 days stats if paid, or just 1 days stats if using a trial version.
People could still export stats and post them on Kitz if they desire.
Just an idea ;D
Post by: tiffy on March 04, 2018, 07:08:32 PM
Tony, I can only imagine the amount of skill, time and effort put into the creation, maintenance and day to day running of the system, it is completely understandable that the time has come for you to call a halt and take a well earned rest, thank you so much for your efforts.
The ability to so easily monitor, trend, archive my line stat's and compare results with other contributors has increased my knowledge and understanding of xDSL systems enormously with the always willing help from other kitz forum members.
The ability to keep an eye on my son's and daughter's VDSL line stat's remotely has been invaluable.
Very best wishes for the future Tony.
Eric, keep up the good work with DSLStats, your efforts are very much appreciated.
Post by: tiffy on March 04, 2018, 07:14:07 PM
Tony, maybe you should transform MDWS a locally logging service only.
You have the Pi installer for example, let the Pi store 30 days of stats for users. The Pi could run a web interface accessible only locally on the internal network.
It would just be a local client type service - no centralised server needed or required.
You could charge a modest fee, like you do now to allow 30 days stats if paid, or just 1 days stats if using a trial version.
People could still export stats and post them on Kitz if they desire.
Just an idea ;D
What an excellent idea, having 3 RPi's in place on the lines I look after I would certainly subscribe to that.
Would be such a shame to just abandon the first class interface of MDWS when Tony shuts down his on line server and DSLStats is still operational and supported.
Post by: roadsnail on March 04, 2018, 07:19:34 PM
I understand completely how much time and effort this project can consume, so enjoy your retirement!
Finally, wouldn't it be great if you could open source the server side code if that's possible? Just a thought.
Post by: simon194 on March 04, 2018, 07:46:31 PM
What an excellent idea, having 3 RPi's in place on the lines I look after I would certainly subscribe to that.I'll second that. I run several Rpi's myself and it would be great to have the MWDS functionality available locally.
Would be such a shame to just abandon the first class interface of MDWS when Tony shuts down his on line server and DSLStats is still operational and supported.
Post by: j0hn on March 04, 2018, 08:37:45 PM
It would require the entire project to be rewritten and packaged into an installer. That would be a huge task.
If money was the issue then it would be much easier for Tony to simply charge for access rather than voluntary donations.
The reason the project is ending is due to the huge amount of time Tony needs to spend on it, and that it would need a complete rewrite to continue to run on its current hardware.
Considering these circumstances I don't think it's fair to ask for the entire code to be rewritten to run locally. It may not even be possible to package everything that would be needed.
DslStats runs its own webserver. That can be used in the meantime.
You could always add a redirect of www.mydslwebstats.co.uk in your HOSTS file and point the uploads to your own IP. Have a play with Google charts and see what you can come up with (I'm tempted to try something like this). The validation check may prevent this though.
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Finally, wouldn't it be great if you could open source the server side code if that's possible? Just a thought.
This is the only way that I could see this project continuing, with someone taking up the development, hosting and running of the site.
I totally understand why someone who has spent years writing code on something doesn't want to just give that away, for various reasons.
Post by: V_R on March 04, 2018, 10:07:15 PM
Thank you for all you have done in the past and if you ever decide to restart the project again, I'd happily donate again, and I can't believe anyone would even ask for a refund.
Post by: adslmax on March 04, 2018, 10:31:50 PM
Post by: Black Sheep on March 04, 2018, 10:53:55 PM
I do hope that MyDSLWebStats will be handed over to someone and get it back and up running in the future. I would donate £10 back.
I know Tony said he'd refund anybody who requested it .... but £10 .... really ?? ::) :-X
Post by: marjohn56 on March 05, 2018, 08:08:36 AM
Rather than a refund I would have liked to send Tony one final donation as a token of my appreciation - have a drink on me, sadly the site is not accepting donations.
I have just quickly enabled the web server and email settings in DSLStats and all is working well.
Post by: jt999 on March 05, 2018, 09:14:31 AM
Thanks for all the work you put into it, whilst I was quite late to it also it really helped me sort out my connection issues.
Post by: stevebrass on March 05, 2018, 10:25:55 AM
Secondly - is there any mileage in using Google Docs to keep some limited data?
As I understand it, GDPR does not apply to personal contacts not being used for any commercial gain. If I am wrong let me know.
But some sort of summary data - similar to that shown on the all user summary on MyDSL - might have some value?
If DSL Stats could produce a CSV file I would consider be the shared spreadsheet editor.
Post by: valleysboy on March 05, 2018, 11:41:38 AM
It's been a fascinating resource, and I shall miss it, but totally respect the decision to close.
Best Wishes to you Tony,
Val
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It would be remiss of me not to also thank Eric for his sterling work on DSLStats, especially the raspberry pi version....
Post by: jaydub on March 05, 2018, 01:54:47 PM
It's a shame to see such a useful tool disappear into the sunset, but the hobby has turned into an unpaid occupation and you don't need that at your age. Time for you to manage time for your best benefit and not ours.
Post by: gazaai on March 05, 2018, 03:32:51 PM
Been using it for years. Hopefully someone else can create another version just as good :fingers:
Post by: Ixel on March 05, 2018, 04:05:18 PM
Post by: Deathstar on March 05, 2018, 05:24:50 PM
But thanks
Post by: grahamb on March 05, 2018, 06:39:46 PM
Have to say I think the site is really rather impressive to look at, even if I have barely any understanding of what it all means. :no:
Anyway, here's wishing good health to Tony. :) :drink:
Post by: colin79666 on March 05, 2018, 08:03:33 PM
I only got into monitoring my stats in January and have invested in a Pi and HG612 as well as MyDSLStats. It has been most useful and while DSLStats has the web server component it isn't as fully featured and of course can't send alerts when the line goes down.
I live in hope someone else can take on this great service and wish Tony all the best in his well earned retirement from the site :)
Post by: Zico on March 05, 2018, 08:12:32 PM
Post by: Jasonkruys on March 05, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
) of the comments posted so far - a tremendous thanks for all of the personal time and effort you have put into this. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Post by: JezR on March 05, 2018, 09:09:39 PM
Post by: iusetheinternet on March 06, 2018, 07:31:42 AM
I'm not surprised to see GDPR mentioned when discussing this sad subject of closure. Time for a rant, hello everyone btw!
<rant>
I suspect we'll be seeing many more smaller sites shutting down once they get exposed to the demands of GDPR. Much of we do online is going to get caught up in these new regulations. It's not just large e-commerce and business sites - but even small blogs, forums, anything too that uses ads or analytics to help pay the bills - all this will at least need legal statements from you to your end users, and you'll need to ensure your partners are fully compliant with GDPR. There are other compliance issues too such as where the data is stored if you are hosting outside the EU as some people do, although this happens less frequently now than used to be the case when EU data costs were much more expensive - but can be an issue if you use services outside the EU such as mailing list providers, engagement and commenting systems, etc.
The wordpress community is scrambling to try and respond before these regulations come fully into force in May this year. It's not just the platform (such as a Wordpress CMS or forum system), but any plugins you have installed too that might do anything with personal data needs to be compliant and included in your statement. Usernames (can be), IP addresses, and email addresses are to be treated as personal information. If someone on a forum requests to be forgotten at the very least you have to anonymise all their data (i.e. change the usernames attributed to every post and quoted reply, which may be enough according to some people, or maybe even destroy all that post data). You need to lay out all data collection you do, including partners such as advertising companies, google analytics, etc. and the EU expects this to be in human digestible form - i.e. no longer buried in long legal disclaimer text. Most people also collect server log files that contain identifying information so you'll need to deal with that too and include those in any requests for data.
There are also data security requirements. There are also questions about who would be responsible for any breaches should exploits be found in the software you are using on your site.
Anyone you hold personal information about can demand to see all the data you hold about them, and you are required to respond within a reasonable time frame. This one could be fun on a forum. There are also provisions for providing export of all this data you hold in a common useful format (such as CSV) but it's questionable whether this would apply to blogs/forums. And the right to be forgotten stuff I mentioned earlier could be messy for forum sites with threaded conversations, if you choose to comply in the most extreme way and simply destroy all user contributed data when asked (again, this won't be as easy as just deleting all the posts that belong to their userid in your database, any quotes in other posts will need handling too).
It's an absolute minefield for people who don't have the resources to hire lawyers and security consultants.
I know of some US sites that are planning to just outright ban all EU citizens via geoblocks to avoid GDPR. There are rules about geoblocks inside the EU, but obviously there's nothing the EU can do if an overseas site denies access to those based in the EU. I wonder how EU citizens will feel about the EU if some of their favourite sites get shut off to them due to these burdensome regulations? Or even EU communities that shutdown entirely due to GDPR? Let's just say I doubt many of these people will celebrating "thanks EU for trying to protect my privacy".
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So yeah I can see why MyDSLWebStats is going away just because of GDPR alone, let alone all the other reasons that were outlined in the sad announcement that just caught my attention.
Post by: d2d4j on March 06, 2018, 07:52:00 AM
I’m sorry for lateness, just getting over a chest infection (long story sorry)
Good luck tony and all the very best for the future. I appreciate all your hard work
Like others, if you open your donations for a short time, I would certainly donate as a leaving present
All the very best and enjoy retirement
John
Post by: KingJ on March 06, 2018, 09:40:41 AM
Would you be willing to share the source code to MDWS? Either just as a simple dump here in a compressed attachment or uploaded to Github or similar. Although I can appreciate the reasoning behind development issues and regulatory issues with running the service, if the source was available to the public others may be willing to take it on - in terms of overall development, hosting and regulatory compliance (and for example, I could quite easily see users wanting to run small private instances!). Understandably of course, it is your code and if you do not wish to share it publicly I completely respect that choice!
Thank you once again for developing and running this service.
Post by: adrianw on March 06, 2018, 01:54:23 PM
Post by: Browni on March 06, 2018, 07:21:50 PM
Best wishes Tony.
Post by: 22over7 on March 06, 2018, 07:57:16 PM
I mulled over what MDWS was worth to me. In reality, it gave me (in conjunction with the Kitz forums)
some very-lacked insight into the very arcane topic of broad-band technology. I could look at my own stats in a beautifully
laid out and finely judged way, and other peoples too, and try to make out what was meaningful, or not, and why.
I'm slightly less ignorant now.
In money, after some humming and hawing, I think it was worth something like a fiver a month. I mean, I would have paid that,
and maybe then made better use of it. To my shame, I never contributed anything like that, over two years of using
this marvellous resource.
Makes me wonder about the Kitz web-site...
Post by: adrianw on March 06, 2018, 08:14:19 PM
As the donations route is reportedly closed down, I went for plan B and bought Tony's book 'The Churchill Veto' (http://boggydog.wixsite.com/cveto) as a further token of my appreciation.I bought this some time ago, and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Post by: d2d4j on March 06, 2018, 08:19:40 PM
I didn’t even know about Tony wrote sorry
I too have just purchased a book as a thank you to Tony
I hope Tony, you enjoy retirement
Many thanks
John
Post by: tbailey2 on March 06, 2018, 10:26:29 PM
Kitz has persuaded me to resurrect the donations facility in view of the number of people wishing to do so. It works as before except there will be no further acknowledgement from the site(i.e. no email or enablement of other facilities.) Thanks in advance if you do.
I have been quite moved by many of the comments made and they are very much appreciated. It makes me feel the project was worthwhile and that I achieved something.
I'm staying in the background with respect to replying to all the suggestions and ideas here but am keeping in contact with Eric, Kitz and others where I feel I can help. The FTP idea is good - in fact it's almost the first thing we tried in MDWS!
Thanks for the comments on my novel, I've almost run out of copies now. There is a film/TV script being professionally written but it has stalled and I need to chase it up.
Thanks again.
Post by: MaximusPrime on March 07, 2018, 10:30:52 AM
Maybe you could sell it? Let some1 else take over?
Post by: underzone on March 07, 2018, 11:23:35 AM
Much like thinkbroadband monitors speeds, produces stats and articles - basically anything they can to monetise that data.
It could also produce a steady income stream for kitz, and drive more traffic to this site.
Post by: roseway on March 07, 2018, 11:36:31 AM
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Post by: d2d4j on March 07, 2018, 11:59:01 AM
Sorry @tony, I tried to donate but I could not see the donate sorry
It maybe my tired eyes though so I’ll look again when back later
Many thanks
John
Post by: AngelRex on March 07, 2018, 12:18:58 PM
Thank you for an amazing service and all the help to this community. Although I haven't used MDWS for some time, it was an amazing resource when I needed it - so a big thank you and to echo what everyone else has said, I'd like to wish you well and less stress!
Many thanks again
Post by: tbailey2 on March 07, 2018, 12:23:26 PM
HiYou need to have logged on reasonably recently as the donate link is only visible to registered users (for reasons that I won't go into). I've PMd you a link that may work if not.
Sorry @tony, I tried to donate but I could not see the donate sorry
It maybe my tired eyes though so I’ll look again when back later
Many thanks
John
Post by: gt94sss2 on March 07, 2018, 04:21:48 PM
Thanks for the comments on my novel, I've almost run out of copies now. There is a film/TV script being professionally written but it has stalled and I need to chase it up.
And you will have one less copy now given I have just purchased one as well.
As others have already said, I also wanted to express my appreciation at your work on MDWS and while disappointed, fully understand your reasons for not being able to continue to support the service.
While I hope others may be able to work on an alternative, I wish you the best of luck in your 'retirement' :)
Post by: GaryW on March 07, 2018, 06:18:36 PM
Post by: Chrysalis on March 07, 2018, 09:57:09 PM
Post by: kitz on March 08, 2018, 11:44:08 AM
I'm not surprised to see GDPR mentioned when discussing this sad subject of closure. Time for a rant, hello everyone btw!
I suspect we'll be seeing many more smaller sites shutting down once they get exposed to the demands of GDPR. Much of we do online is going to get caught up in these new regulations.
<snip... > </....snip>
It's an absolute minefield for people who don't have the resources to hire lawyers and security consultants.
Hi and welcome to the forums and thank you for your insightful post. :)
Post by: kitz on March 08, 2018, 11:49:59 AM
I think Kitz should fold this MDWS stat gathering into her site. It is a perfect fit.
Much like thinkbroadband monitors speeds, produces stats and articles - basically anything they can to monetise that data.
It could also produce a steady income stream for kitz, and drive more traffic to this site.
Sorry I can't for several reasons.
- As mentioned by Tony, MDWS started to started to take over his life. I already have this site to maintain which long ago took over mine. There's a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes which may not always be apparent that take up a huge amount of my time. It would be totally impossible for me to do both.
- Income for this site is an issue as it is. MDWS has its own upfront and running costs. Whilst I'm willing to bet that Tony got far more in subscriptions and donations in a few years, than I've ever had since this site began.... MDWS still falls short of being a profitable venture.
- MDWS would change the structure of this site, as soon as I start taking subscriptions then I would fall under much tougher GDPR regulation. There are perhaps some small changes I will have to make, but on the whole apart from checking notifications to users of what data I do store then I think I'm ok. * (http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,21159.msg367176.html#msg367176)
- Someone suggested that I perhaps set up a section of this site whereby users could for a premium store MDWS data. That is also a non-starter I'm afraid. As soon as this forum becomes subscription based in any shape or form, then that means records are stored of who makes donations. This definitely is classed as personal data so would make me responsible for GDPR.
Post by: freelander on March 10, 2018, 06:04:26 AM
Post by: cwaite on March 10, 2018, 10:08:12 AM
Post by: Chrysalis on March 11, 2018, 10:39:18 AM
it would be much easier if we had the existing code, but not impossible to start again
if starting from scratch i also have another php developer in mind.
personally i feel yes new regulation needs to be adapted to but once its understood it wont be a big deal. also they not going to be proactively forcing compliance, they dont have the manpower for that.
Post by: marjohn56 on March 11, 2018, 11:30:38 AM
Of course there would need to be a large header thanking Tony and possibly a link to purchase his books. :)
Post by: Chrysalis on March 11, 2018, 01:07:55 PM
Post by: g3uiss on March 11, 2018, 04:36:46 PM
i could handle the running costs, put it on a windows/linux vm in a datacentre, guiss can handle legal side, 3rd piece of jigsaw is a dev, if no volunteer here ill ask martinOK by me if required Tony
Post by: Ronski on March 11, 2018, 05:34:51 PM
Post by: Ronski on March 11, 2018, 05:54:01 PM
Post by: NewtronStar on March 11, 2018, 10:08:26 PM
hopefully Tony can pass the code on :fingers:
Hello Ronski was wondering what you mean by code is that his whole database for all MDWS user to date including there usernames & passwords + email addresses
Post by: Ronski on March 11, 2018, 10:30:24 PM
Post by: d2d4j on March 11, 2018, 10:31:07 PM
Sorry a lot has happened today whilst it’s been Mother’s Day
I would think legally/morally it is is wrong to pass over user details from tony mdws and new agreement should be sort for any user whom wishes to use any new software.
I also have been thinking long and hard over mdws, and I even got to the point of graphing but unfortunately not knowing exactly what the numbers meant, would mean a steep learning curve
I came to the conclusion that as roseway and hgstats we’re both been modified to store data which mdws stored, locally is there a need or would users want to use a mdws function.
I guess time will tell but kudos to chrysalis and all
Many thanks
John
Post by: NewtronStar on March 11, 2018, 10:51:30 PM
Post by: Ixel on March 12, 2018, 12:16:07 AM
1) An option to export your original account's data on MDWS, then an option to import this yourself on the new website
... or ...
2) No such options, just sign up as fresh
Post by: V_R on March 12, 2018, 07:58:48 AM
Post by: marjohn56 on March 12, 2018, 08:11:55 AM
The only clean way forward is the operating code without user data and everyone starts from scratch.
Post by: jt999 on March 12, 2018, 09:32:45 AM
Thanks again for all your hard work running it! Hope retirement is good! ;D
Post by: V_R on March 12, 2018, 09:34:02 AM
Once again Thank you Tony for everything you have done, and best of luck to you. :)
@marjohn56: Agree, I was simply suggesting if the option presented itself I would take advantage of it. :)
Post by: Ronski on March 12, 2018, 10:21:57 AM
Once again, thanks to Tony, enjoy your retirement.
I would also have not minded my stats data being transferred to Chrysalis, but agreed we don't want to create work for Tony or expect him to do it, it's only stats after all, and of course it would have to had been opt in.
Post by: jelv on March 12, 2018, 10:34:38 AM
Or perhaps a custom 404 page saying it is closed with the link.
Post by: tbailey2 on March 12, 2018, 12:13:57 PM
Thanks for the further comments and donations.
Post by: LordSven on March 12, 2018, 01:31:19 PM
Thank you so much for the time and dedication that you gave to us all through MDWS.
Between Kitz site and forum, DSLstats and yourself you not only educated me in adsl/vdsl technology but
also gave me practical advice and information that has more than doubled my vdsl connection speed.
Bless you sir; enjoy a well earned rest!
LS
Post by: jelv on March 12, 2018, 02:02:49 PM
I've checked that my ISPs DNS is giving the same as ns.123-reg.co.uk. (212.67.202.2) which is 94.136.40.82. That IP is redirects.123-reg.co.uk.
I'd have left the DNS pointing where it is a just put a simple html page:
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<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="3;url=http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,21151.0.html/" />
</head>
<body>
<h1>Redirecting in 3 seconds...</h1>
<p>MyDSLWebStats has now closed - please see <a href="http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,21151.0.html">http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,21151.0.html</a> for more information</p>
</body>
</html>
Post by: d2d4j on March 12, 2018, 03:02:55 PM
@jelv I hope you don’t mind, but redirect of domain name requires domain name to work
I think you just tried accessing website through IP address, which will default to a holding page for that IP address
You could try clearing your dns cache and web browser cache, then ping the domain to make sure it resolves to new IP address and then browse to it
I could be wrong sorry
Many thanks
John
Post by: jelv on March 12, 2018, 03:06:33 PM
Post by: Chrysalis on March 16, 2018, 11:01:19 AM
Thanks Ronski and d2d4j for clearing that up, The database I guess would have personal info mixed into it for each user, and I could not agree for my user data to be copied or placed onto someone else's server without my permission.just the code not existing data, users would need to reregister
Post by: Chrysalis on March 19, 2018, 09:31:20 PM
Post by: Tayta on April 24, 2018, 10:09:00 PM
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Post by: j0hn on April 25, 2018, 01:08:08 PM
No such project is actively being worked on to the best of my knowledge.
Post by: roseway on April 25, 2018, 04:00:17 PM
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,21237.0.html
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,21305.0.html
Post by: boost on May 07, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
I glanced at the MDWS tab and was pleased to see my creds populated. After the upgrade, I noticed the tab was gone. Several seconds elapse as I frantically searched for it... to no avail :P
I can't believe this has shut down tbh. What a huge loss to the xDSL community! It goes without saying, I hope, thank you for looking after it for so long.
Has anyone offered to re-host? Ignoring GDPR for a second, it should be trivial for someone to do? I'll do it if no one else is able to.
Diagnostically, the information/service is too useful to lose, surely? There's likely to be many people out there locked into poor service, MDWS and the strength of the community behind it might be all they have?
GDPR. There's already talk of whitelists for GP surgeries so we're probably a hop skip jump from a full blown farce on that front. Plus, it's designed to stop corporations from taking the pee, not a community trying to help each other out.
Either way, I don't anticipate GDPR to be an issue for me.
Where do we go from here? :)
Post by: ejs on May 07, 2018, 06:25:58 PM
Post by: boost on May 08, 2018, 02:37:00 PM
I always hoped my data was contributing to easing the diagnostic process for someone, somewhere, though.
Post by: loonylion on May 08, 2018, 06:58:14 PM
Post by: burakkucat on May 08, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
Wonder if AAISP might be interested in weighing in, I'm sure they would find the data useful as if nothing else it gives a view from the other end of the line as it were.
:hmm: Hmm . . . I can see both positives and negatives to that suggestion.
Post by: boost on May 08, 2018, 11:43:10 PM
Combine it with some sort of local proxy so it's very obvious to the end user you're grabbing SNR margins and not exfiltrating their card details or something.
Job done? :)
Post by: Chrysalis on May 09, 2018, 02:28:21 PM
Today, I was upgrading dslstats on my laptop; 5.9 to 6.5.
I glanced at the MDWS tab and was pleased to see my creds populated. After the upgrade, I noticed the tab was gone. Several seconds elapse as I frantically searched for it... to no avail :P
I can't believe this has shut down tbh. What a huge loss to the xDSL community! It goes without saying, I hope, thank you for looking after it for so long.
Has anyone offered to re-host? Ignoring GDPR for a second, it should be trivial for someone to do? I'll do it if no one else is able to.
Diagnostically, the information/service is too useful to lose, surely? There's likely to be many people out there locked into poor service, MDWS and the strength of the community behind it might be all they have?
GDPR. There's already talk of whitelists for GP surgeries so we're probably a hop skip jump from a full blown farce on that front. Plus, it's designed to stop corporations from taking the pee, not a community trying to help each other out.
Either way, I don't anticipate GDPR to be an issue for me.
Where do we go from here? :)
To me GDPR is the easy part, its not a big deal.
The hard part is the code, sadly Tony didnt want to share it, Stuart and kitz have written some code which me and a few others are hosting online, I have yet to post my own stats as I need to add some security first.
The ideal solution is to have the server generate the graphs which stuart's code is capable off, I do aim to have a service running to replace MDWS but it needs time to get setup.
Post by: boost on May 09, 2018, 04:43:02 PM
I'm not a coder either but I've managed to hack bits n bobs together in the past.
I guess code sharing is a very personal thing? My tendency is to overshare, lol.
Either way, I'm sure there's no need to borrow code off anyone?
Ideally, the MDWS part of DSLstats should be modular anyway, assuming it will continue to be part of it which I really hope it will. I have no desire to use more than one tool and DSLstats has served me well.
You could, arguably, make the MDWS component, functionally, independent (retaining the tab within DSLstats though, somehow) so there's no sharing of the underlying poll data. This would introduce waste, of course but something to consider if needs must?
I'd be happy to try and help (read: potentially hinder) in some way if I can? My email address is probably in my profile, etc.