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Broadband Related => Broadband Hardware => Topic started by: banger on July 06, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
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A brand new ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A and just plugging it in has given me an extra 5 meg sync, gone up from the TP-Link 64/17 to 71/17. Dunno if its a fluke but I am pleased with the extra 5 meg.
Very easy to upgrade and quite quick to load the firmware although password had to be reset so am assuming factory defaults when upgraded. Very easy to setup including bridge mode and setting DHCP off with new LAN address of 192.168.2.10 and getting stats was easy too just selected the model in DSLStats and popped the address in with the password and all sorted. Very quick setup.
Thanks to Kitz for recommending this router. :)
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Remind us what cabinet you are on?
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Huawei Cab 2 in Whitburn
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Unless I am missing something what has this got to do with your title :hmm: :shrug2:
Topic: I've got mail
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It came from Ebay seller through the mail.
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A brand new ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A and just plugging it in has given me an extra 5 meg sync, gone up from the TP-Link 64/17 to 71/17.
Isn't that 7 Mbps?
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Isn't that 7 Mbps?
It is was never very good at maths. :D
Also, the wifi seems nice and stable, no packet loss on 1-hour ping test unlike the TP-Link (40% loss) and Billion (4% loss). Very pleased so far and no DS ES with the increase in sync.
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I concur, very stable even with my sub-3db SRNM. My current up-times are 94 & 79 days for my lines. :)
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Unless I am missing something what has this got to do with your title :hmm: :shrug2:
Topic: I've got mail
I must admit that I shared Michael's bemusement . . . and I took the liberty in adjusting this thread's subject line so that it is now more meaningful, whilst maintaining the original sentiment.
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Thanks Mr B*kat I was just thinking snappy title but it is a bit non-descriptive.
Also as a side now looking at MWDS my FEC/min has gone from 6-700/min to the low 20s/min with the ZyXEL despite the increased sync. Pleased with this little modem's performance all round. :)
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My modem room/desk. :D
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A brand new ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A . . .
Would you be willing to disclose the price you paid and the vendor, on eBay, from whom you made the purchase, please? :-\
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No problem put an offer of £15 in but someone else offered £30 so bought for buy it now £35 + £3.40 postage. Seller was afusedale. Have seen a refurbished one for £25 while I was waiting for mine to be sent but that was snapped up they seem to come up now and again.
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You have to ask what's meant by "refurbished" in this context. I would be amazed if it's any more than a wipe over with a damp cloth and maybe an ethernet cable and a filter to complete the kit.
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Thank you.
I am aware of one source -- the A&A Shop (https://www.aaisp.net.uk/broadband-accessories.html), at £60. They would require clearing of the ROM-D to remove the A&A customisation (http://support.aa.net.uk/VMG1312:_Factory_Reset).
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According to the seller this was a bought in item which was unused so "brand new in box" and not from an ISP. It did come with the default admin and password on power up of 1234. I upgraded the firmware to v11.c0 from the ZyXEL site pretty much straight away which was quick. Then quickly configured bridge mode, LAN IP for stats and turned off DHCP and it was in use after that.
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There is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZyXEL-VMG1312-B10A-Wireless-N-VDSL2-4-Port-Gateway-with-US-Over-POTS-/222572307514?hash=item33d257e43a
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Has anyone tried both a ZyXEL VMG8x24 and a ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A? How did the VMG1312-B10A perform compared to its big cousin?
I currently use an 8924 on my line and it syncs better than any other modem I've tried. The VMG1312-B10A looks like it lies down which is more suited to my environment. Is the VMG1312-B10A wall mountable?
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Has anyone tried both a ZyXEL VMG8x24 and a ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A? How did the VMG1312-B10A perform compared to its big cousin?
I currently use an 8924 on my line and it syncs better than any other modem I've tried. The VMG1312-B10A looks like it lies down which is more suited to my environment. Is the VMG1312-B10A wall mountable?
I believe the 8x24 and the 1312-B10A use the same chipset so its possible they will sync at similar speeds.
The 1312-B10A does sit flat but also has a couple of keyholes underneath for wall mounting.
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Nice result, and your upstream stayed the same. When I was using mine my downstream was a lot better but the upstream quite a bit worse. As my upstream has steadily dropped over the years I switched back to the hg612 to regain some.
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Interesting results and thank you for telling us which cab you are on.
I might try a similar thing if I can find a VMG1312 at a decent price.
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Just for everybody's information...this appeared in the feed reader this morning: A&A change VDSL2 router from the B10A to the B10D (https://aastatus.net/apost.cgi?incident=2404).
[Moderator edited to fix the link.]
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A good result Banger and why I posted in your other thread saying the B10D was the budget chipset (63381) and you would have been disappointed with its performance.
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Yes your advice and Kitz's is much appreciated N*star. Wonder if now that the B10A is discontinued there will be no more firmware development?
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seems both billion and zyxel did a bait and switch.
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seems both billion and zyxel did a bait and switch.
You know yourself Chry look at Nvidia and the different models they have bigger numbers don't always perform as well as the smaller numbers, A chip during the manufacturing stage can have a flaw and still works but with less cache or something it's then rebadged as a budget chip with SE or GT
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Wonder if now that the B10A is discontinued there will be no more firmware development?
They seem to be pretty good at maintaining firmware. Perhaps active development/new features may stop, but they will certainly fix any bugs that come up.
p.s. your signature is technically wrong, there's no such thing as LLU fibre :P
LLU is local loop unbundling, where ISP's run their own hardware on the local loop (the copper part). For FTTC to be LLU would mean each ISP had their own fibre cabinet.
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They seem to be pretty good at maintaining firmware. Perhaps active development/new features may stop, but they will certainly fix any bugs that come up.
p.s. your signature is technically wrong, there's no such thing as LLU fibre :P
LLU is local loop unbundling, where ISP's run their own hardware on the local loop (the copper part). For FTTC to be LLU would mean each ISP had their own fibre cabinet.
Fixed. :P
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Having a look at the DS SNRM graph it looks very steady almost flat line with the VMG1312-B10A in place and something I noticed with the 8800NL R1 it has issues with the SNRM which I call small SNRM jitter by 0.1 dB
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Very similar to the TP-Link which had quite a bit of variance of SNRM and lots of FEC/min in the region of 600-700 constant. The B10A FEC/min is spikes of 10-20/min. Overall a much better modem.
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Must admit Banger you may have converted me to being a ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A user not that it's going to increase sync rate as my line won't go above 40Mbps unless the FTTC cabinet moves another 500 meters closer to me, the overall stats look very good :thumbs:
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Well, it was either that or a VMG8x24 but they are a little expensive to use in bridge mode with dual band wireless when I have a perfectly good dual-band Asus router that reaches all the corners of my house.
I did my reading and research and listened to you and Kitz and have a result now.
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There is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ZyXEL-VMG1312-B10A-Wireless-N-VDSL2-4-Port-Gateway-with-US-Over-POTS-/222572307514?hash=item33d257e43a
Any reason you didn't go for this 1? Seems a good bit cheaper than mist other listings.Hope it's ok I've bought it now lol.
Cheers for the linky :)
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You know yourself Chry look at Nvidia and the different models they have bigger numbers don't always perform as well as the smaller numbers, A chip during the manufacturing stage can have a flaw and still works but with less cache or something it's then rebadged as a budget chip with SE or GT
Yes but in those cases they are marketed as a different product and you can still buy the better product, billion and zyxel have both discontinued their better products and only changed one letter of the model name marketing them as replacement models.
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Must admit Banger you may have converted me to being a ZyXEL VMG1312-B10A user not that it's going to increase sync rate as my line won't go above 40Mbps unless the FTTC cabinet moves another 500 meters closer to me, the overall stats look very good :thumbs:
I see that it has Broadcom chip, so should work well with a Hauwei cabinet. :)
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I found the TP-LINK W9970 (V1 and V2) to have wildly fluctuating SNRM on my line, variances of 3-4dB per second.
I intend to try a VMG1312-B10A next :)
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Any reason you didn't go for this 1? Seems a good bit cheaper than mist other listings.Hope it's ok I've bought it now lol.
Cheers for the linky :)
It wasn't up when I did my search if it had been I would have gone for it. Don't forget if it is faulty send it back as not as described and get a refund.
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I found the TP-LINK W9970 (V1 and V2) to have wildly fluctuating SNRM on my line, variances of 3-4dB per second.
I intend to try a VMG1312-B10A next :)
That's what I found with the W9970 V1, the SNRM seems very stable on the B10A. Didn't try the Billion 8800NL R2 for long to monitor as it had slightly lower sync than the W9970.
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Thanks to Kitz for recommending this router. :)
I glad that it is performing as expected on your line :) :dance:
Just to clarify though, I believe I may have actually recommended the VMG8324/8924-B10A OR the VMG1312-B10A saying that all 3 use the same chipset which is better than that in the VMG1312-B10D.
I wouldn't expect the VMG1312-B10A to perform that much different to a VMG8324/8924 modem wise. Differences on the last 2 models are more related to other things such as wifi, USB & VoIP.
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I'm selling my VMG8324 in order to get a VMG1312 as I don't need the better Wi-Fi and the VMG1312 is a much more compact device.
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I'm selling my VMG8324 . . .
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Thank you, burakkucat. The router is now up for sale there :)
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How much did you pay for your router, banger?
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How much did you pay for your router, banger?
No problem put an offer of £15 in but someone else offered £30 so bought for buy it now £35 + £3.40 postage. Seller was afusedale. Have seen a refurbished one for £25 while I was waiting for mine to be sent but that was snapped up they seem to come up now and again.
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Ah, sorry I missed that!
Just ordered one for myself too! :D
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Thanks John.
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So still going, 13d 6h uptime and still a steady SNR with no 'comb' effect as with the W9970 or Billion 8800NL R2. That must be the decent chipset giving me a steady SNRM. No DS ES at all even at a sync of 71334 but averaging about 50 US ES but no G.INP on US, depending on the day.
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And still no SNRM 3dB being placed on your circuit you have been sitting on the 5dB for a month or so is that correct.
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Yes correct it went down to 3dB briefly but too many ES so went back to 4 then 5 and that is where it has stayed ever since. Did try 4dB a couple of time but then decided 5 was my optimum. Shame I didn't have the VMG1312 when it was trying 4 and 3 dB.
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good its settled down then and no more bouncing.
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good its settled down then and no more bouncing.
Yes but some people may start complaining to their ISP my DS SNRM is capped at 5dB it should be able to handle 3dB :hmm:
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I was waiting to see if it would try again after 14 days which would be tomorrow. I was hoping it would as I now have a more stable modem. Don't think my ISP will be able to kick Openreach to set it off trying 3dB again. Is it worth asking Uno?
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DLM is 100% hands off, there's nothing even OpenReach could do. The only tool in their chest is a DLM reset.
Some find it difficult to get banding removed. I'd say complaining you're only on a 5dB profile would be pushing it to say the least, considering very few have had any benefit from the lower SNR targets.
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Fair enough John, well day 14 and no DLM action although I am happy with 71 down and no ES on DS.
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Well, 17d 11h sync time and no sign of DLM re trying 3db or 4db that it tried a few weeks ago. Which is a shame really as this router the VMG1312-B10A, is really stable wrt. SNRM and web interface is just as fast as when I first switched it on unlike the TP-Link TD-W9970 which showed a bit of a slow down after 10 days uptime.