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Title: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: tickmike on May 04, 2017, 02:52:13 PM
I have always used Maps and still will do  :)
 But on a 250 mile trip down to Kent in our car (not on Motorways !) to see our daughter some weeks ago we were following say A20 near Ashford then you come across a new massive roundabout then it is like the A20 does not exist  :o nothing about it at all, then you have to go miles out of your way to find the road you want to be on.
This sort of thing happened about four other places with new road junctions on the way down and back.

So I have done something I thought I would not do to buy a Sat-nav.
A Tom-Tom Go 620 with WiFi.

I will not be connecting it to my Phone which is for Emergencies only and taken photo's  ;D

Not used it in the car yet, just trying to work out how you find things or places.

One thing we all need are Toilets and when you get older you need them more often   :blush:
My wife and I also have a 'Radar Key' for access toilets.
 
How do you find on a 'Search' Toilets or Access toilets ?, Nothing comes up at all.

I sent an email to TomTom and they say 'Unfortunately there are no such POI's* available at the moment on any of our device'

What  :rant: :thumbdown:
*  POI's = Points Of Interest.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Bowdon on May 04, 2017, 03:11:20 PM
This site might be of interest to you: https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk (https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk)
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Ronski on May 04, 2017, 03:40:35 PM
Now you know why you've got a smart phone,  so you can look up things whilst out and about, like toilets   ;)

I also hope you got one of the tom toms with free map updates, or you'll be in the same position in a few years unless you of course you buy an updated map.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: broadstairs on May 04, 2017, 06:07:17 PM
I'm still not sure I trust satnavs. Last year I was waiting for the windscreen repair folks to come out to replace my car windscreen at my home, they were late and so I went out in the front garden to see if they were nearby when I got a phone call from them asking why I was not at home  :o so I said I am where are you and they said outside my house  :o so after a while they agreed their satnav was useless they were about a mile away on the other side of town and yes they did have the correct post code  :o

So you see why I still am more keen on maps and road signs than a satnav.

Stuart
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: JGO on May 04, 2017, 07:12:54 PM
   "So you see why I still am more keen on maps and road signs than a satnav."

It applies here too " Garbage in,  Garbage out  ! " 
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Ronski on May 04, 2017, 07:29:14 PM
It pays to double check, when we got our first Sat Nav my wife used it to go to a dentist in Sheerness, turns out there is two roads with very similar names, Broadway & The Broadway, needless to say she selected the wrong one and turned up at the wrong dentist! Both roads had dentists in them, there was some confusion at first, but was then pointed in the right direction.

After that I always double check and use Google Streetview, and once you've used one especially if going to somewhere in a very busy city you won't want to give it back. I've got several professional drivers at work who always said they would never use one, but once they had they would not give them back, one is in his late seventies - he's clueless with his phone, but never has problem with his sat nav and wouldn't be without it now.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: displaced on May 04, 2017, 07:57:50 PM
I get a lot of use out of Apple Maps on my phone.  (Stop smirking, it's actually quite good these days!)

95% of the time, it gets me from door to door without any problems.  However, the best thing is how it deals with that other 5%.

There's a 'Report an Issue' button for every route or point-of-interest.  For example, last Sunday I used Maps to get me to a local(ish) pub I'd never been to.  Turns out it thought the Miller's Cottage was about 500m from its actual location, and not even on the same road!  A bit of searching got me to the proper place - about a 2min diversion overall.

Now, here's the cool bit.  Tapping the 'Report an Issue' button, followed by the 'Incorrect Location' button brought up a map showing my current location.  One more button tap and the pin was dropped for the pub's location right on top of mine.  Tap 'Done', job done.

Yesterday (so about 3 days after the event), I got a popup notification on my phone telling me the issue had been corrected.  I checked, and not only had the location been checked, but the opening hours had been updated too.

I've done this a half-dozen times over the past year or so.  It really is quick to do, and helps everyone else too.

(Plus, I'm off to the same place this evening, so it's good to know it'll be right this time!)
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Ronski on May 04, 2017, 08:26:22 PM
That's how it should be, nice and easy. I've updated quite a lot of places on Google Maps via the PC and it's just as easy.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: broadstairs on May 04, 2017, 08:36:33 PM
I'm sorry but I still dont see how satnavs are better than maps and using your eyes on road signs and name signs. However often you update satnavs they will almost always be out of date and although the same is true for maps they usually get you to the right area and then it is just a case of careful observation and yes if necessary stopping to ask someone with local knowledge. Too many folks, especially foreign truck drivers but also those addicted to technology, follow satnavs religiously and end up getting stuck. Yes common sense is best but too many people get caught out by satnavs because they dont use common sense. I used to drive 1000's of miles for work before satnavs and never had a problem I could not sort by careful reading of road signs and asking someone. If you rely on technology what happens when it fails if you cannot read a map?

Stuart
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Ronski on May 04, 2017, 09:27:44 PM
I think the operative word there Broadstairs is 'used to', roads are far busier than ever, finding somewhere to stop to read a map is much harder, trying to read road names is difficult & dangerous (not paying attention to traffic) and as for asking directions, well I once asked someone directions, and they hadn't got a clue as to where the road was, turned out they were standing in it!

How's your map reading and navigating skills abroad whilst driving alone? Ever tried reading a map whilst driving (I hope not), trying to navigate tiny streets in central London or some other city. All this can be done with relative ease with a Sat-nav, and until you've really used one properly I don't think you'll ever appreciate how useful they are. I still remember our drivers having boxes of maps in their cabs cluttering the cab, now they just have one sat-nav, it's so easy.

Like I said I don't trust them 100%, I do double check via google maps, and I have been known to take two sat-navs on holiday - one built into the car and my old tom tom :-)

The real advantage of a Sat-nav is not getting from Broadstairs to Birmingham, but actually finding that little street in the middle of Birmingham and finding it quickly - and I've had that said to by professional truck drivers in their 60's and 70's - the ones who used to have all the maps.
 
PS I can read a map too.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: celso on May 04, 2017, 09:42:39 PM
Buying a sat nav these days is wasting money. Some time from now you will have the same issue unless you pay to receive map updates for another X years. Also, you need to update your maps regularly...

I think the best option for most people is to use a smartphone, something that most of us already have. There are lot's of free (Google Maps, Here Maps, Waze) and paid apps (TomTom for example), we have good accuracy, up to date maps, and things like real time traffic information, radar alerts, points of interest, etc.

Most apps don't need internet/data/cell access to work if we save the maps we need before hand and updates are automatic (when we connect to a wifi network). This is good because 1) not everyone has a big data plan, 2) sometimes we don't have signal and 3) if privacy is a concern, we can use only the GPS signal (at least on Android) + any app that works offline + airplane mode.

In your case, and if don't like free apps, all you had to do was to buy the TomTom app (~35GBP subscription) and it would do all your GPS does.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: broadstairs on May 04, 2017, 10:57:34 PM
Smart phones might be OK but you need a signal and while that might be OK in large towns it is not always the case out in the sticks and it usually happens just when it needs to load a map or the like. I don't drive in cities and never have by choice at least not in the day time. If youplan your route beforehand I have found it usually works out just fine.

I'll stick to my maps and plan ahead every time ....

Stuart
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: celso on May 05, 2017, 01:23:20 AM
@broadstairs If that works for you, then there is no need to change :) But you're wrong here:

> you need a signal

With, let's say, Google Maps, you can use the "offline maps" option to keep a local version of the map. This way you don't need to have signal to load the map or use turn-by-turn navigation.

All you have to do is select the areas you want the app to keep (local maps are updated every 30 days while you're connected to a WiFi network). After doing this, network signal/data connection is only needed if you want the app to give you information about road works, accidents, suggest faster routes with less traffic, etc.

Some screenshots from my phone: using maps offline (https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/2017/google-maps-01.png); navigation offline (https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/2017/google-maps-02.png); saving maps for offline use (https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/2017/google-maps-03.png);

There is no need to worry about the GPS signal since UK/continental Europe coverage is pretty good. Most phones use signals from GPS (US) and GLONASS (Russia) satellites, some already support BeiDou (China) and future phones will also support Galileo (created by the European Union), so even on a cloudy day the signal will be good enough for turn-by-turn navigation. But if for some reason it fails, then you have the local copy of the map and can use it like you use a paper map.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: broadstairs on May 05, 2017, 08:03:23 AM
You're assuming that the smart phone has sufficient storage for all that stuff.

I just wish that people would use satnavs with a modicum of scepticism and common sense especially truck drivers who follow satnavs even though the road signs say HGVs are not allowed. Also what happens when GPS gets hacked as is highly likely in the future given how insecure things are these days. You cannot hack the map book in your glove compartment nor the road signs. I also think satnavs are a distraction while driving almost as great as a mobile phone.

Technology has its place BUT it is in no way perfect hence the need for common sense.

Stuart
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Ronski on May 05, 2017, 10:27:16 AM
Stuart, I think that's clearly a very blinkered view,  yes they need to be used with common sense. Your views are clearly applied to your own use scenario having never used one,  you choose not to go into cities,  many drivers don't have the choice. 

Did you know they are even going to become part of the driving test.

If you ever want to try one to see what you're missing then you can borrow one of mine  ;D

PS I work for a haulage company and have done for over thirty years so I've seen the difference sat navs have made first hand and that is a vast improvement over navigating by maps. We have drivers that go all over Europe, just how many maps do you think they need to have to cover  that vast area,  and remember they need local maps to cover towns and cities,  not just regional maps.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: broadstairs on May 05, 2017, 01:50:51 PM
Ronski I have tried one albeit on my phone rather than a dedicated one and I found it very distracting. I can see its use for truck drivers providing they use one designed for large vehicles which many do not. I've also been with someone who got lost using one, I knew where we were as I was a passenger and able to watch road signs more easily they just blindly went where the satnav told them. Yes I do know they are becoming part of the driving test - a very backwards step in my view as I've often see people fiddling with them while driving - an offence I believe! I hope that latter point will be made to those taking their test.

Stuart
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on May 05, 2017, 02:04:26 PM
Regarding the use of phone Sat Navs without signal, there are least three solutions...

As suggested by Celso, Use Google Maps, and manually download/cache the area in advance.   Massive swathes of the country can be cached.  You can even then even turn off data altogether, useful if worried about data charges, but you lose the advantage of real-time traffic (congestion) displays.

Or

Use Apple Maps, which does the caching automagically.   I don't think Apple disclose the actual alogorithm they use for caching but as long as I have a good signal when I initiallly start navigating, I have never known Apple maps to let me down by loss of signal.

Or

Use one of the 3rd party Sat Nav Apps that include their own built n map data.  The data size may be less than you think.

Personally, I find Sat Navs invaluable, but only for the last mile or two.   I can easily find my way from pretty much whererver I am to a motorway and then get myself to (say) a Manchester exit, just by choosing which direction to drive.   But getting the final mile, from motorway jnction to an obscure industrial estate tucked up behind a building site, is where the Sat Nav comes into its own.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: celso on May 05, 2017, 02:52:02 PM
You're assuming that the smart phone has sufficient storage for all that stuff.

Using the app I mentioned we need ~5GB for the UK maps. A 32GB SD Card costs ~10GBP, so storage is not an issue even on cheap phones, but most users don't even have to worry about this.

I just wish that people would use satnavs with a modicum of scepticism and common sense especially truck drivers who follow satnavs even though the road signs say HGVs are not allowed.

I agree. But just like paper maps, this is something to assist us, not to drive us to our destination. You can't blame technology when the driver doesn't know how to use it but decides to use it anyway.

Sat navs are not perfect, but when we put live data + accurate location + good software together, we get something way better than a paper map.

Also what happens when GPS gets hacked as is highly likely in the future given how insecure things are these days. You cannot hack the map book in your glove compartment nor the road signs.

We are talking about 2 different things: maps and navigation.

The maps you have on your phone, just like paper maps, will work even if one of the "GPS" systems gets hacked.

If the GPS system is hacked or something like a solar flare fries all the satellites, then you loose the ability to know were you are (turn-by-turn navigation will not work). But the maps will work.

Anyway, if the GPS system is hacked, not knowing were to go will be the least of our worries. Planes for example... most of them use GPS.

I also think satnavs are a distraction while driving almost as great as a mobile phone.

Use the voice option then. "After 200 yards turn right". There is no need to look at the screen.

By the way, when I suggested using a smartphone instead of a dedicated sat nav, I was thinking about normal drivers. For truck drivers that need more information and special features, maybe a dedicated sat nav is the best option. For the rest of us, the small but powerful computer we already have is more than enough to drive/find toilets and places to go:

(https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/2017/nav.png)
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Ronski on May 05, 2017, 03:56:01 PM
Different  systems do work differently,  and they all have little quirks that can catch you out.  I do hope on the driving test/lessons they point out where to position them in the screen,  I've seen many stuck in positions which must restrict the view.

Most truck  drivers do have normal sat navs,  I think only two or three I know have proper ones, they are so much more expensive, as are the map updates,  personally I'd see it as a worth while investment if I was a driver truck driver - I have my class 1, but no interest in being a truck driver.

Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: d2d4j on May 05, 2017, 04:37:38 PM
Hi

Tom tom have issued a later version, which allows single touch for new speed cameras, allows you to add your own POI etc...

I was thinking about tickmike original post (same situation with ourselves sorry), and the sat nav does show petrol stations and services, which all usually have toilet facilities thankfully

I use igo now, as a new 2 din head unit has been fitted, 2gb ram, octacore with all additional features (reverse cam, DVR, tpms etc)

Many thanks

John
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on May 05, 2017, 05:38:12 PM
Mus say, these days for navigation I use a smartphone that deliberately remains out of sight, unless a willing passenger is available to look at it and assist.

Trouble with the visible map screen is, the very moment it is useful is the very moment it is a dangerous distraction, ie navigating an unfamiliar junction.   Imho, one's eyes should be on the road at these times.

Not sure about Androids, but iOS phones have been able for a while to use bluetooth if you have it, for navigation instructions.   So spoken directions are loud and clear over the car's audio, with radio muted too.   I find that's really all I need.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: d2d4j on May 05, 2017, 07:08:04 PM
Hi sevenlayermuddle

Many thanks

Yes, android has full Bluetooth, wifi, 3/4G, 3 USB and I have mobile for voice calls etc. All accessed from steering wheel controls (default on my car)

On our car, the headunit is at eye level (very top of dash trim if I'm describing correctly sorry), and it's very large screen is as easy to quick view as reading dash dials, speed etc, and sat nav zooms in when approaching town/city/junctions etc with big simple arrow lines and reads out over car speakers, which mutes any music etc which maybe playing. You do not need to sat nav screen on, you can change screens and have audio only, so our grandchildren can still play their games/watch movies or browse internet whilst sat nav still going/music playing/be on phone etc... (rear head units)

I also read a year or so ago about a full heads up display for sat nav/other features which is an inch in height, fitted to the top of the windshield and projects to windshield, but this is still been developed I believe

Many thanks

John
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on May 05, 2017, 08:36:48 PM
Memories of my final year project from Uni days.  Sanctioned  by one of the Professors, a digital speedometer with aircraft-style 'Head up' display.  Implemented via very bright 7 segment flourescent indicators, suitably arranged on the dash top and facing upwards, for mirror image to be reflected in the windscreen, right in the driver's line of vision.

Testing, of course, involved driving my Dad's Ford Escort along the motorway, fully loaded with other students peering at the reflected digits and exclaiming 'wow' and 'go faster'.   Police in those days would not take much interest as long as driving was OK.  That was seventy something.    Fairly sure what todays' attitude might be...   :D
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: d2d4j on May 05, 2017, 09:36:54 PM
Hi sevenlayermuddle

Haha on your license be it

Speed is really been clamped down on, in Yorkshire they have new mobile units, which can clock your speed half mile away I think look north reported

I have a heads up display (hud), which connects to the obd2, giving all types of information and even goes red when you have driven too long without a rest.

I removed this though, because of fear if the front dash air bags went off - our car has air bags all around the car, the crash test video looks impressive. Hope I do not have to test it and strangely, the car goes into the main dealer for recall on air bags to be changed - apparently, if they go off there is a risk of been killed by them, which has already happened so there reducing the power or the explosive gas I think

Kudos to you though for designing a HUD

Many thanks

John
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on May 05, 2017, 09:56:01 PM
Just to clarify, by 'seventy something' I was referring to a date, not a speed. ::)
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: tickmike on May 09, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
This site might be of interest to you: https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk (https://greatbritishpublictoiletmap.rca.ac.uk)
Thanks for that link, looks useful  :)
You can not just download any map I would think and load it on the sat-nav to work, I will contact the rca and see what they can offer.
I can not understand why Tom Tom do not include public toilets on there maps.

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Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: tickmike on May 09, 2017, 02:21:09 PM
I went for a test run in the car to a place we know for a walk along the canal and I used the sat-nav to guide me.
Was happy with some of the route but when it wanted me to take a busy major 'A' road I ignored it and went the road I know, it's good how it re-calculates a new route.

If you pre-plan a route how do you tell it you want to go a certain way along say a section of it.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on May 09, 2017, 02:42:32 PM
i just tried asking Siri on my iPhone, "show me public toilets nearby"

It came up with a list of about a dozen,  ranging from the obvious - a motorway service station, to some street locations that I didn't even know about but are true.  A few that had closed recently were not listed, so it's being kept up to date.

Not perfect though, two that I know of two in council car parks were missing altogether.  And it showed one that's actually inside a National Trust estate, which would cost non-members a lot more than a penny in entrance fees.  :D

I went for a test run in the car to a place we know for a walk along the canal and I used the sat-nav to guide me.
Was happy with some of the route but when it wanted me to take a busy major 'A' road I ignored it and went the road I know, it's good how it re-calculates a new route.

If you pre-plan a route how do you tell it you want to go a certain way along say a section of it.

Iirc, on my old Navman that I've not used in a while, you could set a 'via', or you could set an area to 'avoid'.  Would that help?
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Ronski on May 09, 2017, 03:49:29 PM
You can add via points,  my VW sat nav gives the option to go close by or exactly.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: tickmike on May 13, 2017, 01:18:40 AM
I used it again the other day to find a postcode address to pick some free plaster up that was on 'Freecycle' , No problem getting there but on the way back I asked the lady inside it (You know the one that talks to you )  ;D by 'Voice control' to 'Go Home' which she did with the map displaying ok But there was No Voice messages for turns / islands etc. also I went past a fixed speed camera and nothing happened  no warnings at all :o >:D

Another thing when I am typing in a 'search' you can get aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lot of letters like if you hold the key down when typing, I did a full re-set but it still does it some times.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Ronski on May 13, 2017, 08:46:21 AM
One of our drivers complained he wasn't getting any voice instructions,  turned out he or it had turned the volume right down.

Have you checked for any updates as well?
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: tickmike on May 13, 2017, 02:40:52 PM
Not sure what happened.
Why it did not tell me about a speed camera that I went by to test it that has been there for years I do not know.
I will do some more test runs before I trust it.
It has WiFi and yes it updates it when I switch it on in the house.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: adrianw on May 15, 2017, 01:46:49 AM
A TomTom 5200 tip.
If you upload your own POI files (campsites, pubs, whatever) via the mydrive web site they will be downloaded when you connect with WiFi.
Any software upgrade may make them vanish, until you perform a full power cycle (press and hold power button, then take the power off option).
On powering up your POIs should be available again.

As with mobile phones, personally I have not had good results with voice control.

Why a 5200? I started with a GO 300 and later various Android apps, settling on the TomTom app. Fine, except for the battery drain beating the charger, sometimes resulting in the phone powering off mid-journey. Then TomTom decided to kill off the GO 300 entirely, giving a quite generous discount to registered owners.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: tickmike on July 04, 2017, 11:26:13 AM
Just to up-date this post.
We have just come back from a week in the  Isle of Wight and I gave my new sat-nav it's first big test,
It was very helpful, we never got lost once  ;D.
I had to disable the voice control as it kept asking what I wanted  >:( , I have to say 'Hello Tom Tom' to wake it up, but it would come on when we were just in normal talk  >:D and you could miss your directions.
The speed camera warning seems good ( it only tells you about speed cameras / hazards etc. once a route is set and not free running ).
There are a few places that the map does not match the road lay out but you can let tom-tom know about them.
Why did I wait until I was 68 before I bought one.
also it's a 100% better than a free phone app type, with a 6" screen I can see well.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: Ronski on July 04, 2017, 01:28:05 PM
Why did I wait until I was 68 before I bought one.
also it's a 100% better than a free phone app type, with a 6" screen I can see well.

Glad it went well, and you've just reinforced my opinion that once someone  uses a decent sat-nav they won't want to give it up.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: kitz on July 10, 2017, 08:23:19 PM
Must admit I like mine and would find it hard to not have one now.   
Years ago we used to use a tom-tom...  but now my car a dashboard in screen unit that is quite a bit larger than a traditional sat-nav screen, which sounds rather like the one that d2d4j described. Its very easy to see without being a distraction to the road, and you can have it voice only.   
All I have to do now is press a button on my steering wheel and then say "Navigate to...."

What I havent tried yet, is what happens if I said "Dial xperson" & what effect that has on the navigation if the phone is in use.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: sevenlayermuddle on July 10, 2017, 09:09:41 PM
Always interesting to  explore how things interact, whether phone has priority over satnav, etc.

My own car is too old to have built-in satnav, or at least it was a hugely expensive option that it doesn't have.  But it does have factory fitted parking sensors that beep through the car's audio system.

So far so good.  But combined with bluetooth, either for phone calls or satnav, the bluetooth trumps the parking beepers.   This means that just as you are backing into a parking space at the end of your trip, and expecting some help from the beepers, the bluetooth migh kick in "You have arrived".  Which mutes the parking beepers, with a crunch as you hit the wall. :D

Hasn't happened yet, but a couple of times it might have done. :blush:
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: d2d4j on July 10, 2017, 11:24:07 PM
Hi

@kitz yes I think there similar and easy to see/view without been a distraction

@sevenlayermuddle - my unit has cameras front and rear, but selection of reverse immediately stops all function of the headunit, and only displays the rear camera whilst allowing voice to continue (rear head units continue to work as normal)

The camera I fitted is a hidden camera so no one sees it, but the downside is it only shows 2 meters behind the car. However, as I have driven cars since very early eighties, it's not an issue and a plus as it shows anything directly behind that car

I think it's getting much better and the latest version of our car, detects the speed signs and limits you to this speed, which is excellent but not to everyone's taste

Also, there are few options I have not installed, such as tpms bit I fitted management (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170710/3b645373ceafb411d25ffe1dff62d636.jpg)

Many thanks

John(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170710/8fa79118d32086e1cab03d0fddf0b3b3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170710/2397d2cc096380a062b6ca0ddb6639bb.jpg)
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: HPsauce on July 16, 2017, 09:36:36 PM
That camera picture appears to be upside down!  :lol: Is the camera installed the wrong way up?
(I have a camera I installed myself on my old Audi with the same lines on it and its view is from the bumper to just above horizontal.)

Edit: Looking at your picture, I think the camera (with lights included) is designed to be mounted with the lights facing downwards. You probably need a bracket.
Title: Re: Sat-Nav For The First Time.
Post by: d2d4j on July 16, 2017, 09:50:43 PM
Hi hpsauce

Many thanks, it is the correct rear number plate light for car, but with a camera.

It's how I wanted it so it did not show externally (its hidden in the black cover) and no drilling of bodywork

I only need the vision directly behind the car 2m approx but your right, the lines are upside down. Unfortunately these lines are in the camera so I turned off guide lines on headunit.

Many thanks

John