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Broadband Related => Telephony Wiring + Equipment => Topic started by: snadge on January 18, 2017, 06:29:30 PM

Title: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: snadge on January 18, 2017, 06:29:30 PM
 :)

Hi all

have u seen this guy's website and youtube channel? he's quite good, seems to be an ex-BTo engineer to me, I could be wrong, but he has some excellent informative videos on networking, Telephone, Patch Panel installs etc and much more

http://www.mymatevince.com

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChY9Cgv-iyPDvf1Bkyx20OQ
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: j0hn on January 18, 2017, 08:27:39 PM
We've discussed him a few times. Many Kitz users are using his DSL cables, including myself. I recall others disliked his cables, and there were a few reports of them breaking immediately. I often recommend his cables though, as for me it's the best cable I've used, even over a very expensive Belkin cable and the also highly rated Tandy cables.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: Chrysalis on January 19, 2017, 07:56:48 AM
Most of the video is old news to me except right at the end about the surge protector, thats interesting.

I suspect I may already have no surge protector as this video is 2 years old, and thats before I had my pair swap, and when the pair swap was done I was also given a new master socket.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: jaydub on January 19, 2017, 08:52:20 AM
Discovered his vids a week or two back.

Not aware of the surge protector thing either.  Neither did the Kelly Engineer who installed my VDSL a couple of months ago, as he didn't replace the NTE5 master socket.

Are his modem cables worth the investment?
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: Weaver on January 19, 2017, 09:01:39 AM
The advice in the video is very sound in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: skyeci on January 19, 2017, 09:38:14 AM
I bought one of his modem cables. It had a lower sync than the stock one. I did do the swap at the peak of my snr hoping to gain a few mb. I have bought other items with no issue.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: broadstairs on January 19, 2017, 10:31:38 AM
I'm looking for a new master socket to router cable but do wonder what the benefit is of using an RJ45 at the master socket over an RJ11 which is mandatory at the router (or at least is with mine).

My current cable is a shielded twisted pair type but the plug ends are a bit dodgy now after a number of years use being plugged in and out etc. Also not sure what if anything the apparent shielding buys me.

Stuart
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: tubaman on January 19, 2017, 10:43:22 AM
Stuart,

Out of interest what is the shielding actually connected to?
If its nothing then it is likely to make matters worse rather than better, as it will act as a aerial pickup for interference that could then end up on the very wires that you are trying to protect.
 :no:
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: broadstairs on January 19, 2017, 10:53:39 AM
Without stripping the cable I am not sure if it is terminated or not, certainly no external connection for it.

Stuart
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: Weaver on January 19, 2017, 03:50:11 PM
> I bought one of his modem cables. It had a lower sync than the stock one.

Same experience here. But we should do our measurements properly - and I didn't - in the sense that you make repeated observations both before and after swap over to make sure you are not just seeing either the effects of DLM getting upset or natural variations in the modem sync rate for whatever reason.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: aesmith on January 20, 2017, 01:37:39 PM
I was interested by his external phone cable connecting box.   Does that look like something OR themselves would use, and therefore that they wouldn't be surprised or concerned to see on the incoming cable?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WATERPROOF-EXTERNAL-TELEPHONE-CABLE-REPAIR-KIT-/351842790758?hash=item51eb76ed66
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: huwwatkins on January 20, 2017, 01:56:57 PM
My external cable is jointed to the internal using one of them. I can get a photo.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: burakkucat on January 20, 2017, 06:21:14 PM
Does that look like something OR themselves would use, and therefore that they wouldn't be surprised or concerned to see on the incoming cable?

Those "sausages" are commonly used throughout Openreach's domain. So, in answer to your query, no surprise and no concern.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: Weaver on January 20, 2017, 09:01:32 PM
My ears pricked up too at the comments about the surge protector at the end. As Vince says, I wonder if they do apply to some ADSL2 users as well. Never mind VDSL2, I would think that I am one of the least likely candidates, as my lines are ~4.5 mi long and so I don't use any of the high frequencies, not even the ADSL2+ ones.

I wonder how would one go about getting BT to swap out the NTE5? (For the usual charge, of course.)

What happens if a surge has tweaked the surge protector? Which way would they fail? If they are like the devices that I am used to they don't fail safe, they just stop protecting you but I don't know what a knackered one that is pining for The Fjords does for the signal quality.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: snadge on January 21, 2017, 02:19:26 AM
My ears pricked up too at the comments about the surge protector at the end. As Vince says, I wonder if they do apply to some ADSL2 users as well. Never mind VDSL2, I would think that I am one of the least likely candidates, as my lines are ~4.5 mi long and so I don't use any of the high frequencies, not even the ADSL2+ ones.

I wonder how would one go about getting BT to swap out the NTE5? (For the usual charge, of course.)

What happens if a surge has tweaked the surge protector? Which way would they fail? If they are like the devices that I am used to they don't fail safe, they just stop protecting you but I don't know what a knackered one that is pining for The Fjords does for the signal quality.

what video is this? the link i supplied was just to his website and videos list?

but I recall we discussed at length years ago about the 26a Surge Arrestor (is that the right name?) may cause issues on xDSL - I removed mine off my old faceplate years ago...no difference.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: snadge on January 21, 2017, 02:23:35 AM
I'm looking for a new master socket to router cable but do wonder what the benefit is of using an RJ45 at the master socket over an RJ11 which is mandatory at the router (or at least is with mine).

My current cable is a shielded twisted pair type but the plug ends are a bit dodgy now after a number of years use being plugged in and out etc. Also not sure what if anything the apparent shielding buys me.

Stuart

I recall being told on here (or maybe TBB) that shielding does nothing unless its terminated to an earth at both ends, and being metallic can only serve as a type an antenna that would 'attract' unwanted radiation/RFI ...thats what I remember being said anyway

oooh its great being back on DSL lol...
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: Chrysalis on January 21, 2017, 08:48:13 AM
Personally my experience shows that different cables didnt have an affect unless I used a really long flat extension cable, but short flat cables, vs twisted no difference on my line.

Likewise I never notice differences between test socket and normal socket, rf3 filter actually made my sync worse when I had one fitted during my time on aaisp.

There is a lot of fuss about how many problems are solved within the home, but my own experience is problems are caused externally on openreach or BTw equipment.

e.g.

When I got moved to a broadcom based dslam during my time on adsl which aaisp forced BTw to do, that yielded an improvement. In the adsl days BTw had the usual dual vendor policy, and one vendor was better than the other.
SRA on ukoline turned my line from been unstable on 15db + interleaving to having over a year uptime on 6db + fast path. Ukonline are the only UK isp I am aware off that ever used SRA in the uk, and even then it was a unofficial feature that dan a ukonline staff member implemented as a favour for some tbb users. For me SRA is a massive game changer on adsl, however it seemed difficult to implement with compatibility issues akin to the ECI g.inp problems.
A engineer who turned up on a sunday to fix a voice fault then did something at the exchange to fix my adsl (which also went down), before he did the fix, I had a weird issue where my line wasnt even able to sync at 442kbit, but then the upstream signal strength jumped up to be easily able to manage 1mbit+, I got no idea what he did.
When ukonline ceased to exist, I ended up moving to cable broadband until FTTC arrived at which point I moved back to dsl. :)  Thankfully for me vdsl has been way more stable than adsl was.
Title: Re: My Mate Vince... Networking / Telephone install videos
Post by: jaydub on January 21, 2017, 09:27:32 AM
Faceplate or NTE5, as my understanding is the surge protector is on the board in the main body of the NTE5.