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Broadband Related => Broadband Technology => Topic started by: thesmileyone on October 27, 2016, 05:48:15 PM

Title: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: thesmileyone on October 27, 2016, 05:48:15 PM
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/07/a-look-at-future-fibre-to-the-distribution-point-broadband-isp-tech.html

That was back in 2013.

I notice my fibre distribution point is approx 8-10m away from me.

So if they introduced that I would get near to full speed? Infact what stops me replacing my copper wire to this distro point with fibre so I get basically FTTP?  Apologies if silly question.

Really hoping I can get 330/30 or higher at some point into this property.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: ejs on October 27, 2016, 06:08:07 PM
Infact what stops me replacing my copper wire to this distro point with fibre

It's Openreach's copper wire, and either Openreach's ducts or Openreach's (or possibly an electricity distributor's) poles. And a typical copper DP doesn't currently have any fibre going to it.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: S.Stephenson on October 27, 2016, 07:16:46 PM
Well when they eventually roll out G.Fast if you are within 200m of your cabinet you should be able to get 330/50.

Their aim is to reach most home by 2020.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Ronski on October 27, 2016, 08:10:00 PM
Infact what stops me replacing my copper wire to this distro point with fibre so I get basically FTTP?  Apologies if silly question.

Really hoping I can get 330/30 or higher at some point into this property.

IF BT ever reintroduce FTTPod  (it may even be available to order in some areas) then you can pay to have it installed. Or simply wait for Gfast and if you are lucky enough to be close enough to the cabinet (which is sounds like you may be) you'll be able to order that. BT intend on installing Gfast at exisiting cabinets to start with, it could be years before they feel the need to push fibre further out.

Their aim is to reach most home by 2020.

I thought the aim was to 10 million premises by 2020, which I doubt is even half let alone most  :(
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: ejs on October 27, 2016, 08:38:42 PM
Is 2020 some sort of placeholder future date that's just far enough into the future so that everyone will have forgotten what they said a few years back by that time?
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: S.Stephenson on October 27, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
Well after looking at it again the plan for G.fast is 10million by 2020 and then most of the UK by 2025.

After that who knows.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: thesmileyone on October 28, 2016, 03:25:01 PM
I am 1.6km from the cabinet, but 10m from the DP.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: j0hn on October 28, 2016, 07:27:23 PM
The distance to the DP really means nothing. Even when they roll out FTTdp, it won't be to every single copper DP.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Ronski on October 28, 2016, 08:44:59 PM
I am 1.6km from the cabinet, but 10m from the DP.

Well that counts G.Fast well and truly out (at least until BT decide to install further out), and FTTPod would be very expensive.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: NewtronStar on October 28, 2016, 08:45:58 PM
These G.fast FTTdp fiber nodes can be placed underground or at the DP and even in separate cabinet its about the size of a shoe box so plenty of possibility's to get the node as close as possible to the end-user but still it needs to be no less than 500 meters.

One thing about G.FAST it has the same problem as ADSL and VDSL and that is it has to coexist with AM and now FM radio frequency's between 87.5 and 108 MHz so it will need a power cutback at certain frequency's or both will effect each other
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Ronski on October 28, 2016, 09:05:04 PM
I have a chamber just across the road from me, and at about 450 meters it's probably the right distance to get a G.Fast node, but it's going to be years before BT start installing away from cabs. So the few that can enjoy fast speeds now are going to be able to get even faster speeds, which the majority probably don't currently need so won't upgrade. But those at over 450 meters and more who would benefit are going to be left waiting for years.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: NewtronStar on October 28, 2016, 09:32:31 PM
But those at over 450 meters and more who would benefit are going to be left waiting for years.

That will be me at 1000 meters to cab and thinks it will be more like 2027 or 11 years before this tech hits me I'll definitely not be counting down the days to G day as will most likely be 6 foot under by then, and 40Mbps is more than I need but once 4K video becomes the norm on the net then bandwidth will need to increase.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: adslmax on November 01, 2016, 05:43:11 PM
I think Openreach should forget g.fast and move on with fibre to the house instead. UK people's had enough with copper wiring.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Ignitionnet on November 03, 2016, 03:02:11 PM
I think given the costs involved even with switching from FTTdp to FTTP let alone Openreach's FTTC plans to FTTP that's a tricky business case to make.

Estates like mine where it's fully ducted to individual premises and there are relatively few apartments, perhaps apartment blocks are a big ask though.

In an ideal world Openreach would be able to deploy FTTP to individual homes and FTTB to apartment blocks, with a G.fast node in the basement, however we aren't in an ideal world.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: thesmileyone on November 03, 2016, 05:19:03 PM
I am surprised that buildings like, dodgy council flats aren't on a similar system to Hyperoptic.

Though it would kind of suck if people who don't work all day get 1gbps fibre and the people who do who live in nice, hard-worked-for houses are stuck on FTTC or in some cases, ADSL.

Wouldn't surprise me though. In my old village there was half of it council houses and half of it posh houses and they put the fttc cabinet in the middle of the council estate. Initially the posh side were told they were too far away, so the chavs were on 80/20 whilst the "rich" (middle class rich) were on adsl ha
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Ignitionnet on November 24, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
Yes. Whenever BT are forced to.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: c6em on November 24, 2016, 01:07:57 PM
Wouldn't surprise me though. In my old village there was half of it council houses and half of it posh houses and they put the fttc cabinet in the middle of the council estate. Initially the posh side were told they were too far away, so the chavs were on 80/20 whilst the "rich" (middle class rich) were on adsl ha

All sounds sensible economics to me.
The posh types really do have more interesting things to do with their lives than spent it in front of a computer/telly downloading terabytes of 'stuff'.
Or as has been said elsewhere the rich go out for their entertainment and the poor stay in.
So BT would know to prioritise the chav area rather than the posh area as they would get a far higher takeup for FTTC.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Bowdon on January 07, 2017, 12:48:43 AM
I was thinking today after BT announced the start of the last pilots;

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/01/bt-openreach-start-pilot-330mbps-g-fast-broadband-138000-uk-premises.html (http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/01/bt-openreach-start-pilot-330mbps-g-fast-broadband-138000-uk-premises.html)

If you get G.fast on the initial roll out but your at the very limit what happens if they put a node near to your house, will they re-route you through the node?
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Ronski on January 07, 2017, 08:31:56 AM
I guess that depends on where your line branches off, before or after the new node.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Bowdon on January 11, 2017, 03:20:06 PM
I guess that depends on where your line branches off, before or after the new node.

The codelook up site has my post code listed as being 825m from the cabinet. The cabinet seems to serve 2 groups of post codes. I'm at the edge of the 2nd group furthest away from the cabinet. I do get reasonable speeds, better than I would imagine I'd get at 825m. So If G.fast was connected to the cabinet I might be able to get a slight speed increase. But if they put a node amongst my group I hope they would cut my line and send it through there.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Ronski on January 11, 2017, 03:38:57 PM
I thought codelookup gave distance from exchange not the cabinet.  At 825 meters g.fast will be no better than fttc, probably worse as it may not use fttc frequencies or back the power off,  much the same way as fttc doesn't use or lowers the power for adsl frequencies to protect them.
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Bowdon on January 11, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
I thought codelookup gave distance from exchange not the cabinet.  At 825 meters g.fast will be no better than fttc, probably worse as it may not use fttc frequencies or back the power off,  much the same way as fttc doesn't use or lowers the power for adsl frequencies to protect them.

hmm, I didnt know that it was the distance from the exchange to the cabinet lol. That makes more sense :)
Title: Re: FttDP - when/is it going to happen?
Post by: Ronski on January 11, 2017, 05:33:28 PM
^^^^Distance from exchange to post code (I suspect very roughly)