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Computer Software => Windows => Topic started by: kitzuser87430 on September 01, 2015, 08:27:33 PM
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A few microsoft updates released recently need careful reading of the KB article before installing I think.... more info on the register.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/01/microsoft_backports_data_slurp_to_windows_78_via_patches/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/01/microsoft_backports_data_slurp_to_windows_78_via_patches/)
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This was anticipated by many as soon as the Win10 situation came clear.
Not Surprised at all.
Lots of strange updates were made prior to the official Win10 for Free Campaign on Win 7 & 8.
They were the prep for the rollout no doubt.
Hence the lack of explanations for Updates which has spread to Win 7 & 8.
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this is disturbing :no:
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As I have said many times, MS is going for broke to emulate and surpass the monitisation of Users by Google, Apple and others.
They are aiming squarely at the 'lost' sales due people running 'Not so Kosher' software.
Retrospectively , they are waving the big stick and 75+ Million people have opened the door and let them in freely and legally. [Win 10 Eula]
In usual USofA style they will now 'shoot down' a few 'Innocent bystanders' because the process will be a bit crude but false positives are OK, after all 'Money is money !!!!!'.
Surely, this must get some visibility with the masses now!
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As I have said many times, MS is going for broke to emulate and surpass the monitisation of Users by Google, Apple and others.
Google, yes, obviously. But Apple? Can you cite a specific example of Apple 'data slurping' to illustrate the comparison?
Having said it many times does not make it true. ;)
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As I have said many times, MS is going for broke to emulate and surpass the monitisation of Users by Google, Apple and others.
Google, yes, obviously. But Apple? Can you cite a specific example of Apple 'data slurping' to illustrate the comparison?
Having said it many times does not make it true. ;)
iphones were transmitting user's gps location to apple at one point, and the amount of data iphones used to use for 'housekeeping' was fairly astronomical, dont know if thats still the case.
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Of course Apple use location data to make some features work.
If I ask Siri 'How far is the nearest Tesco', and it tells me, then obviously Apple has used my location. I don't see the comparison with current allegations about Microsoft, which seem to be accused of uploading customer data for no obvious reason.
Another big difference, from what I have read is, it is very easy to disable iOS location services either globally or on a per-App basis. It is not hidden away, it is found in the obvious place.. 'Privacy', 'location services'. :)
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And how many people will actually read the KB articles relating to updates?
I dont. :no:
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And how many people will actually read the KB articles relating to updates?
I dont. :no:
Agreed.
Moreover it has come to be recommended as 'good practice', and for understandable reasons, to always enable fully automatic updates. I have never enabled auto updates, not for any OS, and I begin to feel vindicated. :graduate:
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As I have said many times, MS is going for broke to emulate and surpass the monitisation of Users by Google, Apple and others.
Google, yes, obviously. But Apple? Can you cite a specific example of Apple 'data slurping' to illustrate the comparison?
Having said it many times does not make it true. ;)
@sevenlayermuddle
We are going to forever disagree.
You see no fault from anything Apple do.
Fine. Your view. Not everyone else's view though.
As I can only quote what I read on the web, you will obviously disagree and call it lies.
Here is a random result from searching for 'Apple Data Slurp' ...... 1st result.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/27/icloud_data_grab_irks_privacy_conscious/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/27/icloud_data_grab_irks_privacy_conscious/)
I can search and list others but you will disagree.
Neither you nor I work for Apple and are privy to the secrets therein, so all we have are opinions based on what we can find.
Rather than constantly disagreeing, lets leave it as read that you 100% refute anything I say about Apple.
People can equally refute anything said about Google and MS. (100% or less :) )
Lets eliminate myself from the argument and ask why do other people have similar views about all of them.
Why do all of the 3 companies get the same comments made about them by others.
Is it only true about Google & MS but not about Apple and additionally all the other commentators are guilty of making the same mistake.
I find this unlikely, purely on the basis that there are bound to be people who know more than me who are commenting.
I cannot believe every one of them is making the same mistake as me (from your point of view), it is too improbable.
Once again I raise the question why you feel the need to 'Defend' Apple ?
If it is all lies it does not matter, to Apple or you ..... as you are right and I am wrong with all the other commentators on the web.
[BTW: Never did get to know what the Logic Errors were in the last discussion we had :) ]
Finally, I will ask you the inverse of your question, show Apple does NOT Data Slurp in similar ways to Google & MS.
This answer, of course, needs to prove that Apple either takes the Data but does not use it or Apple does not take the data at all.
I am not sure how you can do that without being inside Apple and telling me how they work.
(Yes, it does inversely apply to me, but I only need 1 example of any size to defeat the argument 'Apple does not Data Slurp.' :D )
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And how many people will actually read the KB articles relating to updates?
I dont. :no:
I try but MS are not playing the game anymore :( >:(
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The updates are KB3068708 ("Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry" and mandatory) KB3075249 ("Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7") and KB3080149 (also an "Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry", both optional).
Ummm.. just out of curiosity I searched for one of those. (The one that mentioned Win7)
The deed is already done for KB3075249. I haven't checked the others :(
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Play nice please :)
There will always be difference of opinions when it comes to Operating Systems and manufacturers etc.
Debate all you wish, but try not to let it get personal.
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Kitz,
Nothing personal at all.
Please point out where ?
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@Aardvark, to be clear, Apple are far from perfect. I have many criticisms of Apple, and whilst I wholeheartedly recommend iOS to all, there are actually not that many people to whom I would recommend OS X.
But as regards privacy, which I thought we were discussing, Apple are a role model for others to follow.
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It was a reminder not to let it get :)
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@sevenlayermuddle
Good your response was opinion.
My comments are opinion.
We disagree.
As said lets just agree to disagree.
Read any comment I make about Apple as 'NOT addressed to you' or an attempt to 'change your view'.
Hopefully we can stop this argument which we will never resolve to our mutual satisfaction. :D
Kitz, Happy ??? ;D ;D :D :D
We are NOT arguing ..... I hope. :angel:
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It was a reminder not to let it get :)
And I now slightly regret my last post, wherein I ignored the 'somebody else has posted' warning. Guilty as charged? :blush:
Now, let's establish, what are Microsoft really up to? I am genuinely interested, as we need to replace our existing XP box soon, and I gather it is all but impossible to build a new XP box anymore with latest (even if old) set of updates. :(
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The updates are KB3068708 ("Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry" and mandatory) KB3075249 ("Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7") and KB3080149 (also an "Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry", both optional).
Ummm.. just out of curiosity I searched for one of those. (The one that mentioned Win7)
The deed is already done for KB3075249. I haven't checked the others :(
You can de-install.
I have just done that for all three.
Then mark them as hidden.
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The updates are KB3068708 ("Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry" and mandatory) KB3075249 ("Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7") and KB3080149 (also an "Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry", both optional).
Ummm.. just out of curiosity I searched for one of those. (The one that mentioned Win7)
The deed is already done for KB3075249. I haven't checked the others :(
You can de-install.
I have just done that for all three.
Then mark them as hidden.
From The Register article: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/ (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/)
Instructions on how to remove the offending updates.
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It's also worth pointing out that the majority of update descriptions are several notches below helpful ('install this update to resolve issues in windows'). So even if you're manually updating, you need to google every kb id to find out what it really does. Something most people likely have neither the time nor the inclination to do.
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I can block the microsoft ip's on my router by routing them to a backhole :)
and of course on win7 I will disable those updates.
But yeah microsoft have turned pretty nasty now.
Of course with the luxury on win7 in waiting before installing updates, none of those updates have even touched my system.