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glen_m_32
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2010, 04:21:07 PM »

Thats informative, thanks!

Can anyone see anything wrong with my stats? most of it means nothing to me!

adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason:   0
Channel: INTR, Upstream rate = 448 Kbps, Downstream rate = 6112 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode:         G.DMT
Channel:      Interleave
Trellis:      ON
Line Status:      No Defect
Training Status:   Showtime
      Down      Up
SNR (dB):   14.1      24.0
Attn(dB):   28.0      16.0
Pwr(dBm):   19.8      12.3
Max(Kbps):   6912      1192
Rate (Kbps):   6112      448
         G.dmt framing
K:      192(0)      15
R:      16      8
S:      1      8
D:      32      4
         ADSL2 framing
MSGc:      1      1
B:      192      15
M:      1      8
T:      1      1
R:      16      8
S:      1.0829      8.5000
L:      1544      128
D:      32      4
         Counters
SF:      1046069      1046107
SFErr:      0      1
RS:      71132722      8890906
RSCorr:      85      6
RSUnCorr:   0      0

HEC:      0      1
OCD:      0      1
LCD:      0      0
Total Cells:   256346607      0
Data Cells:   3423313      0
Drop Cells:   0
Bit Errors:   0      0

ES:      0      0
SES:      0      0
UAS:      11      0
AS:      17784

INP:      1.32      1.00
PER:      1.89      1.85
delay:      8.66      8.50
OR:      29.55      30.11

Bitswap:   0      0

Total time = 4 hours 56 min 41 sec
SF  = 1046069
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Latest 1 day time = 4 hours 56 min 41 sec
SF  = 1046069
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 11 min 41 sec
SF  = 41241
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 52923
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
SF  = 0
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-30 min to -15 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 52923
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-45 min to -30 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 52982
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-60 min to -45 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 52923
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Showtime Drop Reason:   0
Last Retrain Reason:   0
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2010, 06:37:00 PM »

only that your snrm is high at 14dB...can you tweak it down with DMT or Routerstats ??
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2010, 01:32:57 PM »

Hi
That SNR margin could indicate a Target of 15db or 12db  depending on condition changes since last resynch (about 5hrs ).
even if it is only 12db then that could be costing you up to 2000Kbps synch speed  depending on bit loading .

Getting the target back down is a bit of a lottery . some are lucky and it gradually reduces  in 3db steps about every month , given a nice quiet line. Others seem to take for ever if at all.  Sad

Meanwhile tweaking using Routerstats is an option (as suggested by Gunjack).It will probably only  tweak down by about 3db.It will NOT survive a resynch.

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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2010, 02:48:21 PM »

It would appear that my router has been restarting on its own. I have spoke to belkin and they think that it is a faulty unit and are replacing it.  I think the constant restarting would make the DSLAM think that my line is unstable thus causing a higher SNR.

Could this be true?

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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2010, 04:20:00 PM »

Hi
quote Could this be true?

Most likely  Sad

If your new router sorts the problem out ,you might be able to persuade your ISP to get your target snr reset  fingers crossed

Regards Jeff
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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2010, 04:36:14 PM »

Is it worth leaving it a few days to see if it changes automatically?

I am never keen on ringig bt, they have a compulsory 50min hold time!

Thank you
glen
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2010, 06:06:30 PM »

Hi

quote Is it worth leaving it a few days to see if it changes automatically?

I am afraid its more than a few days ,could be a few months depends on how lucky you are . On the other hand it may take that long to persuade BT to get it reset.  Wink

I take it you are running routerstats . If so its easy to get at least 3db back . specialy if you chose the right time to tweak . That is when your SNR margin is at its highest .

Regards Jeff
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2010, 09:34:43 PM »

DLM's normal sampling period, prior to margin reduction, seems to be 14 days, though it's not really documented.

Jeff's advice is always good and, as he says, you could choose your time to tweak (or even resync), and get yourself a good connection speed.  I hope Jeff won't mind if I add, however, that 'fighting' DLM may give you a higher speed, but a faster speed also means a higher error rate, which may reduces the chances of DLM reducing your target.   DLM may also (sorry for all the 'may's, we just don't know!) look to see how you actual SNRM compares with its target and, if it is always less than the target, it may be less inclined to reduce it.

I put up with a 15dB margin for over a year, then one day my line resynced, after a power cut, about 1.5Mbps lower than it's usual speed.  Instead of reconnecting to get the speed back I left it at the lower speed, but with an actual margin of 18-22 or so.  Within two weeks DLM rewarded me with a 3dB target reduction.  I subsequently re-enacted the same scenario by deliberately tweaking  my line to a slower speed, and DLM this time reacted in less than a week, with another 3dB cut.  These reductions have been permanent, my line is now happily managed by DLM, and maintains impressive connection speed.

Another aspect that's cropped up several times, is that if you ask your ISP to get your margin reduced, as opposed to waiting for a natural reduction, the reduction commonly evaporates after 48 hours.  We don't know why that happens, but its a common scenario, DLM may just be programmed to be hyper-sensitive following ISP-requested adjustments.  It may be a thing of the past now, as per other threads on CCSNR, but that's something subtly different.
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2010, 02:07:24 PM »

Hi,

Sorry it has taken so long for an update. I have a new router installed, everything is working fine. I will be installing routerstats on a pc which is wired and on all the time. I will post some information for you when i got it working.

Mean while i have resyned my router at 6am when the traffic is a t its lowest and i get a jump of 0.5mbps. my new stats are

adslctl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: ShowtimeRetrain Reason:   0
Channel: INTR, Upstream rate = 448 Kbps, Downstream rate = 6720 Kbps
Link Power State: L0
Mode:         G.DMT
Channel:      Interleave
Trellis:      ON
Line Status:      No Defect
Training Status:   Showtime
      Down      Up
SNR (dB):   13.5      24.0
Attn(dB):   28.0      16.0
Pwr(dBm):   19.8      12.1
Max(Kbps):   7520      1180
Rate (Kbps):   6720      448
         G.dmt framing
K:      211(0)      15
R:      16      8
S:      1      8
D:      32      4
         ADSL2 framing
MSGc:      1      1
B:      211      15
M:      1      8
T:      1      1
R:      16      8
S:      1.0754      8.5000
L:      1696      128
D:      32      4
         Counters
SF:      11749790      11750060
SFErr:      0      0
RS:      798985750      99875510
RSCorr:      1663      0
RSUnCorr:   0      0

HEC:      0      0
OCD:      0      0
LCD:      0      0
Total Cells:   3165793016      0
Data Cells:   34788025      0
Drop Cells:   0
Bit Errors:   0      0

ES:      0      0
SES:      0      0
UAS:      12      0
AS:      199752

INP:      1.20      1.00
PER:      1.88      1.85
delay:      8.60      8.50
OR:      29.75      30.11

Bitswap:   0      0

Total time = 1 days 7 hours 29 min 29 sec
SF  = 11749790
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Latest 1 day time = 7 hours 29 min 29 sec
SF  = 1586392
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 14 min 29 sec
SF  = 51153
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 52923
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Previous 1 day time = 24 hours 0 sec
SF  = 5082201
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-30 min to -15 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 52923
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-45 min to -30 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 52923
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
15 minutes interval [-60 min to -45 min] time = 15 min 0 sec
SF  = 52982
CRC = 0
LOS = 0
LOF = 0
ES  = 0
Showtime Drop Reason:   0
Last Retrain Reason:   0


Since this last resyc my internet seems to be soooo much faster. downloasing at 500kbps used to be a dream bu now it seems to be happening.

Thanks

Glen
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2010, 06:46:19 PM »

I can not get my router stats page into Routerstats lite. i got to http://192.168.2.1/wukongjiuwo.html then need to put adslctl info --stats into the console which then shows my routerstats. is there a way to do this in routerstats lite?

Thanks

Glen
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